Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

Yeah I'm willing to accept that, sure. I am a creationist tho so I still hold that they have a human soul that could not have been created via evolution. No contradiction with the science as far as I know, evolution just accounts for the creation of the human body

and at what point did the human soul enter our primate ancestors?

Post automatically merged: Jan 5, 2025

Well it is a question if humans are worth more than animals.

I would argue they are on account of several things, one of those things being a qualitative difference between humans and animals in that humans are abstractive beings, animals are merely perceptive beings, however if they both have the capacity for abstraction then they are qualitatively the same on a natural level and so I would have to move to other natural law/philosophical arguments (such as humans being moral agents, animals not), or theological reasons (humans being made in God's image etc.)

yeah thats the question, i dont care about your arguments regarding that though. Whatever criteria you have to value humans > animals, @Logiko uses a different set of criteria to value them the same.

 

[NAMELESS]

and at what point did the human soul enter our primate ancestors?

Post automatically merged: Jan 5, 2025

yeah thats the question, i dont care about your arguments regarding that though. Whatever criteria you have to value humans > animals, @Logiko uses a different set of criteria to value them the same.

At the moment where consciousness was developed. The whole Adam and Eve story is about humans acquiring awareness about reality.

 

[Zenos7]

At the moment where consciousness was developed. The whole Adam and Eve story is about humans acquiring awareness about reality.

so much earlier than actual homo sapiens then?

 

[RyoQ]

and at what point did the human soul enter our primate ancestors?

At some point in the evolutionary history of hominids, God directly infused a pair of human souls into what was, then, the first pair of humans, Adam & Eve.

When exactly this occurred, I don't really know.

I would also note that as a cause can't give to an effect what is not in the cause, human souls aren't passed down biologically or anything; each unique homosapien conceived is directly infused by God with a rational soul

 

[NAMELESS]

so much earlier than actual homo sapiens then?

Maybe, yeah, who knows...

Post automatically merged: Jan 5, 2025

and at what point did the human soul enter our primate ancestors?

Post automatically merged: Jan 5, 2025

yeah thats the question, i dont care about your arguments regarding that though. Whatever criteria you have to value humans > animals, @Logiko uses a different set of criteria to value them the same.

Well, our human bias says human>animal. Would you spare animals if your or your loved ones were starving? No, nobody would. It's the same for other species. Your pet Chihuahua would try to kill you if it happened to be starved.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Not really, it's just the original phrase that was then translated to "divide and conquer" or "devide and rule".

If you don't understand a simple wikipedia article about the Dunning Kruger effect, I feel very sorry for you.

Since both you and Logiko seem to have trouble understanding it, here's a short summary in simple language:
People that really aren't competent in a specific area tend to overestimate their abilities, while underestimating the abilities of others and not being able to correctly judge their own level of incompetence.

Here I used it in regards to Logiko's specific incompetence concerning political affairs and overall logical reasoning (a particular skill he seems to be really bad at).

You might be correct about Logiko but don't act as if you're not talking like a smartass

It seems AfD is not being allowed to the TV debates on Germany's main channels, despite being one of the biggest parties. That true?

That's cringe. It only gives them (afd)more power. Which is exactly what they (you know who)want.
To quote Mr. Latin professor:

Divide et impera

 

[Zenos7]

At some point in the evolutionary history of hominids, God directly infused a pair of human souls into what was, then, the first pair of humans, Adam & Eve.

When exactly this occurred, I don't really know.

I would also note that as a cause can't give to an effect what is not in the cause, human souls aren't passed down biologically or anything; each unique homosapien conceived is directly infused by God with a rational soul

feel free to believe this.

Post automatically merged: Jan 5, 2025

Well, our human bias says human>animal. Would you spare animals if your or your loved ones were starving? No, nobody would. It's the same for other species. Your pet Chihuahua would try to kill you if it happened to be starved.

that depends. i would spare animals if they are my pets for example. otherwise yeah no, im eating the damn thing.

Post automatically merged: Jan 5, 2025

Maybe, yeah, who knows...

and what about other non-human animals that have consciousness?

 

[Logiko]

Here I used it in regards to Logiko's specific incompetence concerning political affairs and overall logical reasoning (a particular skill he seems to be really bad at).

Oh really ?

National Soverignity and Integrity>Economy. The Japanese have a lot of ethnical pride and nobody calls them racist. Same for some other nations. Meanwhile, if Europeans says they don't want foreigners on their lands, they are suddenly racists. It's a double standard.
Fertility crisis is nobodies business. People don't want babies, that is their problem. Your post is a big pile bullshit. "Ohhh evil right wingers misogynists will oppress us". STFU. People don't buy these scare tatics anymore.

Any progressive know that Japan is a far right country with big racist biases.. It's not something new. Japan is really not an example.

He forgot to mention that the far righters want to reopen the Concentration camps to gas jews,alphabet people and all who are not part of the aryan race.

Can you describe me how Nazi came into power please ?

I rarely have a normal conversation with such people.

You are not capable of thinking rationnaly. So of course, you don't have normal conversation with us. I tried many time, you have ignored or dismissed every scientific and documented facts and you focused on your fears.

Now, you will stay in the fog of war.

 

[Zenos7]

the first pair of humans, Adam & Eve.

this doesnt really work though. genetic adam and eve didnt exist at the same time, not to mention the unlikeliness of our entire population starting with 2 individuals. if you are down to such a number, extinction is next on the list.

And were humans still subject to evolution after that hypothetical point of yours?

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

That's cringe. It only gives them (afd)more power. Which is exactly what they (you know who)want.
To quote Mr. Latin professor:

Let it go son, 2000 years have passed. You Germans should stop seething about Ancient Romans.

 

[RyoQ]

genetic adam and eve didnt exist at the same time

What do you mean by this?

not to mention the unlikeliness of our entire population starting with 2 individuals

Well, again human souls are directly created by God. Where's the contradiction in God deciding to give 2 individuals human souls, as well as all of their descendants human souls?

And were humans still subject to evolution after that hypothetical point of yours?

Yes, in this hypothetical God created Adam & Eve's body gradually (via evolution) and their human souls instantly

 

[Kami Burn]

Can you describe me how Nazi came into power please ?

Why should I do so? I'm not your fucking history book. Buzz off,go back to the Igno list.

 

[Logiko]

Why should I do so? I'm not your fucking history book. Buzz off,go back to the Igno list.

Because you do not seem to understand that the rise of the far right is a path way toward fascism and massacres. You literally have an example of that in Israel at the moment.

I just wanted to be sure that you understood that phenomenon

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

The nazis once existed, so we need to act like cucks and hate ourselves and our nations for the rest of human history.

 

[Logiko]

The nazis once existed, so we need to act like cucks and hate ourselves and our nations for the rest of human history.

The basic principle of history, is to understand it and not repeat it.

Same causes, same consequences.. remember ?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Any progressive know that Japan is a far right country with big racist biases..

Your goat Loda included

 

[Logiko]

Your goat Loda included

Oda also have racist bias as well. Less stronger but he has a few, just like me or you or anyone else here.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

The basic principle of history, is to understand it and not repeat it.

Same causes, same consequences.. remember ?

No I don't.

 

[Logiko]

No I don't.

I get that

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Oda also have racist bias [...] like me or you

Doubtful