Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Call them like I see them, I don’t know you but I know people who say the kind of things you’ve said and I also know them to be inconsiderate dicks :luuh:

Good to see you, old man Van!! You’re right on every single point, but very few people who voted for this understand (or care) that they’re well below the line and are going to be affected so deeply for their indolence, especially the fucking tariffs…Donnie already came out and said in so many words that the egg prices aren’t coming down and we’re all assholes for thinking they would, I don’t know how someone can look at that guy and ever think he was gonna tell corporations to stop gouging their consumers :sanmoji:
Easy...propaganda. And lots of it. I'm at the point where I just look at everything with detached curiosity and research how we got to this point. The more I learn, the more indifferent I become. We're fucked. At least cereal prices are stagnant(for now).
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
I'm not on the right, but I'd like to respond to this.

I believe you are somewhat confused (no offense). Your confusion stems from the spectrum fallacy, which essentially models human self-identification as lying on a linear scale—for instance, 0 representing liberal and 10 representing conservative (or vice versa). While mathematical thinking matters and this construct is almost universally accepted, it is an absolutely terrible way to model how people think.

A better model is to view things as "clustering"—similar to the Amazon recommendation algorithm. For example, there are millions of people, and if you gave them a survey with about 100 yes-or-no questions regarding their political opinions and had them complete it, you could create vectors representing individuals based on a matrix of ones and zeros.

Now, you have probably heard of the Pythagorean Theorem. What if I told you that it works in n dimensions? Well, it does—whether you believe me or not, you can look it up.

Basically, you can calculate the "distance" between every single person in your giant spreadsheet, record these distances, and rank them by how far apart they are.

From there, you can group people into various "clusters" of similarity by reducing the number of variables used to describe these similarities—by weighting them into two dimensions—and then simply plotting the results on a 2-D graph. How do we determine the number of clusters? You can mathematically compare the various clustering groups and see which one has the least overlap.

What you will find is that there are likely several clusters for any given country—say, five to ten—and you can build stereotypes and mental models based on those clusters, which makes sense from a more human perspective. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative individuals would cluster together and probably share similar characteristics, while libertarians would form their own group. Similarly, Green Party members and socialists would cluster together—likely close to the libertarians—while both would be far removed from the mainstream.

How would you test the performance of this model? By examining how people vote. Libertarians might vote for a Gary Johnson–type candidate, while Green Party supporters might vote for someone like Bernie Sanders. If they do not, then your model is flawed. This raises the question of electoral systems—American electoral systems highly favor two parties, which influences people's decision-making. Even if voters have the option to choose a Bernie Sanders–type candidate in the general election (for example, Jill Stein), they might refrain because they feel it is hopeless. In Minnesota, one electoral vote went to Bernie Sanders; however, that voter was immediately fired and replaced with someone who would vote for Hillary because he was appointed by the Democratic Party, which had the power to replace him with someone who voted strictly along party lines—people vote for a party, which then sends representatives to vote for the president, while the popular vote ultimately does nothing.
Believe me, I am no fan of the electoral college or anything that somehow supersedes the popular vote…if this were a real democracy, there’s no way somebody should be able to take office without a mandate (which Donnie had coming into this term, to be absolutely fair). Regardless, I would say the terminology is secondary to the sentiment it represents; when I say “righties,” I mean anyone on the political spectrum who is inclined to follow conservative ideologies. I know that there are many points in between the poles, but I’ve personally found that people who choose to identify with the same party that houses deluded oligarchs are generally all right with the xenophobia and cruelty if it means they can jeer people on the other side of the fence, that’s all 🤷‍♂️
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So, what did Ursula mean by "We'll turn private savings into much needed investment"?

This has 0 relevance with what I said, you can think I am a dick but if I understand it correctly people should't insult each other in this section.
Fair enough, but if you want respect, telling someone to “keep crying” isn’t the strongest tactic if you’re gonna try to moralize after the fact :ultimoji:
Easy...propaganda. And lots of it. I'm at the point where I just look at everything with detached curiosity and research how we got to this point. The more I learn, the more indifferent I become. We're fucked. At least cereal prices are stagnant(for now).
All I know is that someone at work who told me they thought RFK Jr was a great choice for the HHS was caught unawares when I brought up the “had a worm in his brain” and “thinks Diet Coke is worse than raw cow milk” and “dumped a bear corpse in the middle of Central Park” things, so you’re onto something with the propaganda theory :lulz:
 
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It's not because a conspiracy theory is proven true that conspiracy theorist were right. If you throw 1000 arrows to a target, you will have high chances to hit it.

This is very important to understand, because this is the difference between thinking that there are big bad guys groups acting in the shadows out there to get us AND understanding that our systems are flawed enough that they will eventually product those types of results.

The political actions are not the same. The first will direct people toward reactionnarism the others toward social progressism.

This is also the difference between thinking that problems comes from people VS understanding that problems comes from systems. Once again, it's a materialistic approach.
 
Not really a conspiracy theory though, i remember some docs and politicians debating this. What a coincidence it would be for a virus powerful enough to cause a world pandemic to just spawn in the vicinity of a bioweapon lab.
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Okay, talk to me, American righties…are we sick of winning yet?? Fully slashed social services, mass firings in crucial sectors, eggs are still three times more expensive than they should be, an unelected foreign billionaire is pulling the strings on Putin’s sweetest boy, but at least DEI has been defeated, yeah?? :willight:
Ngl, i don't like what Trump is doing with the tarifs and the Ukraine war, but at least he is putting the dictators in Brazil in check, if he ends up actually causing these people to lose power, i will be forever grateful to Trump.
 
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It's not because a conspiracy theory is proven true that conspiracy theorist were right. If you throw 1000 arrows to a target, you will have high chances to hit it.



This is very important to understand, because this is the difference between thinking that there are big bad guys groups acting in the shadows out there to get us AND understanding that our systems are flawed enough that they will eventually product those types of results.



The political actions are not the same. The first will direct people toward reactionnarism the others toward social progressism.



This is also the difference between thinking that problems comes from people VS understanding that problems comes from systems. Once again, it's a materialistic approach.


What you don't seem to understand is that the rampant spread of conspiracy theories is a psychological reaction to the existence of actual conspiracies, mixed with feelings of hopelessness, powerlessness and frustration.
 
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What you don't seem to understand is that the rampant spread of conspiracy theories is a psychological reaction to the existence of actual conspiracies, mixed with feelings of hopelessness, powerlessness and frustration.
I know that full well Bear, I have been a strong conspiracy theorist myself.

This is precisely why it's so important to bring back two things:

- Hope
- Critical, materialist and Political Education

When I'm telling you that we must have a materialist approach. This means that we must look at people who fall for conspirationnism and those who defend states and governement the same way.

Understanding that our material conditions (and therefore systems) creates our social situations (good or bad) is fundamental and it allows us to have a critical look at both those types of rethoric.
 
I know that full well Bear, I have been a strong conspiracy theorist myself.

This is precisely why it's so important to bring back two things:

- Hope
- Critical, materialist and Political Education

When I'm telling you that we must have a materialist approach. This means that we must look at people who fall for conspirationnism and those who defend states and governement the same way.

Understanding that our material conditions (and therefore systems) creates our social situations (good or bad) is fundamental and it allows us to have a critical look at both those types of rethoric.
Hope doesn't come from nowhere.

We have to look at the actual problems in society and solve them. Demanding or expecting the 1% to solve the problems they caused won't happen because that's not how it works.
The sheep mindset and mass infantilisation of grown adults has to go away.

Shutting up people and calling everything they suggest to be a conspiracy theory certainly won't make conspiracy theories go away.


I agree that overreacting and being too sceptical can be problematic long term but the same must be said about the sheepish follower mindset of those who blindly trust anything the government says.




In the case of the pandemic , spreading the meat market origin theory came with quite a few benefits to the elitist 1%.


*Animosity against Asians -> conflicts within societies ,racism always benefits the 1% because divide and conquer

*Anti meat agenda

* and ofc the obvious deflection of responsibility


The potential for further bioweapon research is still in the room. The COVID 19 virus was known to have different effects on different people depending on blood type and some genes iirc. Bioweapon use simplifies future genocides, depopulation of land deemed valuable by real estate clowns like the orange guy, or large landowners interesinterested in expanding their gmo monocultures and unsustainable cattle herds etc


The potential is HUGE, and what I mentioned doesn't even scratch the surface of what future lab made viruses do to societal stability.


Not only does it provide the authorities with a blueprint for lockdowns (aka mass detention of citizens) it also causes social unrest, divisions in the population and the exclusion of certain groups from participating.


We all saw how many citizens were willing to place all their hopes in experimental drugs, resorted to shaming fellow members of their societies for refusing the injectiinjecjectionsjections and ,once the majority was vaccinated and boosted, went back to normal and stopped wearing masks(at least that's how it was here).



The pandemic was a study on herd mentality and panic reaction. Humans who give in to panic and despair are ready to buy into whatever the supposed saviors sell them. It also saw a spread of (in some countries mandatory) surveillance apps, incentivized mobile payments, employee layoffs, school lockdowns producing a generation of students who were partially denied their right to education, further pressure on small local business, mental and emotional turmoil for the elderly residing in retirement homes due to shorter visiting hours.

The end goal is the ultimate destruction of democracy and full control over the world population. And the longer humans can live (massive wealth required ofc) , the longer it will be the same people pulling the strings.
 
Hope doesn't come from nowhere.

We have to look at the actual problems in society and solve them. Demanding or expecting the 1% to solve the problems they caused won't happen because that's not how it works.
The sheep mindset and mass infantilisation of grown adults has to go away.

Shutting up people and calling everything they suggest to be a conspiracy theory certainly won't make conspiracy theories go away.


I agree that overreacting and being too sceptical can be problematic long term but the same must be said about the sheepish follower mindset of those who blindly trust anything the government says.




In the case of the pandemic , spreading the meat market origin theory came with quite a few benefits to the elitist 1%.


*Animosity against Asians -> conflicts within societies ,racism always benefits the 1% because divide and conquer

*Anti meat agenda

* and ofc the obvious deflection of responsibility


The potential for further bioweapon research is still in the room. The COVID 19 virus was known to have different effects on different people depending on blood type and some genes iirc. Bioweapon use simplifies future genocides, depopulation of land deemed valuable by real estate clowns like the orange guy, or large landowners interesinterested in expanding their gmo monocultures and unsustainable cattle herds etc


The potential is HUGE, and what I mentioned doesn't even scratch the surface of what future lab made viruses do to societal stability.


Not only does it provide the authorities with a blueprint for lockdowns (aka mass detention of citizens) it also causes social unrest, divisions in the population and the exclusion of certain groups from participating.


We all saw how many citizens were willing to place all their hopes in experimental drugs, resorted to shaming fellow members of their societies for refusing the injectiinjecjectionsjections and ,once the majority was vaccinated and boosted, went back to normal and stopped wearing masks(at least that's how it was here).



The pandemic was a study on herd mentality and panic reaction. Humans who give in to panic and despair are ready to buy into whatever the supposed saviors sell them. It also saw a spread of (in some countries mandatory) surveillance apps, incentivized mobile payments, employee layoffs, school lockdowns producing a generation of students who were partially denied their right to education, further pressure on small local business, mental and emotional turmoil for the elderly residing in retirement homes due to shorter visiting hours.

The end goal is the ultimate destruction of democracy and full control over the world population. And the longer humans can live (massive wealth required ofc) , the longer it will be the same people pulling the strings.
First : Yes, indeed, we must not infantilize people. This is why radical and progressive self organization system must be pushed and created.

Second: You are confusing a few things here.

Real legitimate concerns on the power of elites AND less legitimated fears on panics over pandemics.

Covid is an horror. The vaccin response was THE medical and scientific solution. You must be careful not to confuse the fact that a scientific experiment failed because the system was corrupted and the fact that others scientific from stronger system responded.

The push for vaccination and the social stigma that went with the refusal of vaccination are what saved us. You may not like that, but this is the material and medical fact.

What you are right to criticize - on the other hand - is the way the ruling class has used the necessary response against Covid to create oppressive measures and politics and gained power.

We need to considerate BOTH sides of the situation through a lens of domination relationships to be able to push a good political education and push people toward self organisation.
 
The push for vaccination and the social stigma that went with the refusal of vaccination are what saved us. You may not like that, but this is the material and medical fact.
Nope.

Engineering a pandemic to artificially create a necessity for vaccines is not what I call ''saving'' us. I'm not saying the COVID19 pandemic was engineered with full intent but the fact scientists conduct high risk research on viruses opens a multitude of possibilities. The social stigma created divisions in society = divide and conquer. The people don't even think of fighting the actual culprits if they're busy fighting each other.
Those maga cultists are the perfect example , everything that has them 'own' the 'shit'libs makes them happy.
 
Engineering a pandemic to artificially create a necessity for vaccines is not what I call ''saving'' us. I'm not saying the COVID19 pandemic was engineered with full intent but the fact scientists conduct high risk research on viruses opens a multitude of possibilities. The social stigma created divisions in society = divide and conquer. The people don't even think of fighting the actual culprits if they're busy fighting each other.
Those maga cultists are the perfect example , everything that has them 'own' the 'shit'libs makes them happy.
That error was created by the lack of regulation in the hazardous scientific environement. Not because some want to make vaccine a necessity.

You are searching intent in incompetence and systemic problems. This is very risky.

The social stigma pushed people who refused at first to get the vaccine anyway. This is called survival social pressure. It was a social necessity (on an individual bases, not on a systemic one)

If wewant to fight the actual culprit, we need to all do what radical leftist are doing right now :

Fight systems
Fight the ruling class
Fight all systems of oppression.
Push people to understand that with bad material conditions, bad situation such as theis virus leak will happen again and again.

There are no real individual culprit. Our systems are the problem.
 
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