Controversial General Political Discussion

[Jew D. Boy]

Just being there doing nothing while armed is enough to help reduce. Again no criminal would commit a crime in front of officer's face or knowing there is one nearby. Plus just saying that crimes wasn't higher than usual is very vague and doesn't means much. The usual compared to what? And even if it is the usual, if the usual is high crime rate that means you should do nothing about it? This is not an argument.

Criminals are gonna do their thing regardless of the police, knowing that the cops exist doesn’t seem to have been a deterrent at any other point in time…and I don’t know how many times I have to tell you this, nobody is advocating for letting crime run rampant, but your argument is that punishing citizens for things they haven’t even done is an acceptable method of law enforcement rather than an extremely distressing precedent for rounding up and dehumanizing desperate people instead of getting to the root cause of why they do drastic things. If you yearn to be under a strongman’s thumb, have at it, but that doesn’t justify assuming someone’s guilty of something without actual proof.

And ChatGPT helped me again, just like before with Obama's slaveholders family members, and it seems that we had a significantly dropped in crimes in such a short period (less than 20 days)

Smack dab in the middle of the article…

It was already trending down before the occupation, so why was it necessary? If Donnie’s trying to accomplish something, it was happening without him needing to do anything, which tells me this is just him infringing on peoples’ rights for no reason other than being a vindictive piece of shit

You the one who doesn't understand, or worse you understand but you are being hypocrite on purpose as you already admitted.

What I said about not blaming people of today about ancestors actions of 200 years ago has nothing to do with Trump but the very Obama. You just need to make everything about Trump. But anyway black people did good at Trump's governament not something that should happen if he was racist or something. Just like Palestinian population and Arabic population inside Israel growing despite the false accusations of genocide.

https://community.solutions/trump-administration-doubles-down-on-housing-discrimination/

https://progressivereform.org/cpr-b...t-black-americans-have-deep-historical-roots/
I don’t even know where you’re going with that “Black people are prospering under Donnie” shit, but his last administration made it more difficult for them to acquire housing and his current one is ripping through vulnerable communities like theirs with the Medicaid cuts, so please tell ChatGPT to be a little more coherent next time
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Hell, if Donnie REALLY wanted to crack down on crime, he’d release the Epstein files and arrest anyone named therein…but he won’t, and if the aspiring pedo Herrera could use his brain for something other than pining for 12 year olds, he might understand the reason why he wouldn’t
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https://www.hstoday.us/cbp/federal-...g-on-bear-gulch-wildfire-in-washington-state/
Arresting firefighters in the middle of fighting a fire is such a patently evil thing to do, but I’m guessing Herrera’s gonna support the pigs instead of the actual heroes because he yearns to be oppressed more than he already is :risicheck:

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Criminals are gonna do their thing regardless of the police, knowing that the cops exist doesn’t seem to have been a deterrent at any other point in time…and I don’t know how many times I have to tell you this, nobody is advocating for letting crime run rampant, but your argument is that punishing citizens for things they haven’t even done is an acceptable method of law enforcement rather than an extremely distressing precedent for rounding up and dehumanizing desperate people instead of getting to the root cause of why they do drastic things. If you yearn to be under a strongman’s thumb, have at it, but that doesn’t justify assuming someone’s guilty of something without actual proof.

You'd be a terrible criminal.

I miss the part that having national security is punishing the citizens.

Smack dab in the middle of the article…

It was already trending down before the occupation, so why was it necessary? If Donnie’s trying to accomplish something, it was happening without him needing to do anything, which tells me this is just him infringing on peoples’ rights for no reason other than being a vindictive piece of shit

Again just because it was better than before doesn't mean it was any good. Was still high and he speed up the process. Pretty sure the people who would suffer such crimes would be happy if they knew they'd suffer it without Trump doing nothing.

https://community.solutions/trump-administration-doubles-down-on-housing-discrimination/

https://progressivereform.org/cpr-b...t-black-americans-have-deep-historical-roots/
I don’t even know where you’re going with that “Black people are prospering under Donnie” shit, but his last administration made it more difficult for them to acquire housing and his current one is ripping through vulnerable communities like theirs with the Medicaid cuts, so please tell ChatGPT to be a little more coherent next time

You don't even understand how ChatGPT works and yet is talking shit about it. It gave me data from better sources than progressive forum showing how his administration improved black people live just like previous Barack Obama did and Biden too.

Hell, if Donnie REALLY wanted to crack down on crime, he’d release the Epstein files and arrest anyone named therein…but he won’t, and if the aspiring pedo Herrera could use his brain for something other than pining for 12 year olds, he might understand the reason why he wouldn’t

Never defended him not releasing the file.

https://www.hstoday.us/cbp/federal-...g-on-bear-gulch-wildfire-in-washington-state/
Arresting firefighters in the middle of fighting a fire is such a patently evil thing to do, but I’m guessing Herrera’s gonna support the pigs instead of the actual heroes because he yearns to be oppressed more than he already is :risicheck:

It seems they were arrested for being illegally at US. Which is a policy that I don't defend at all. But it is you that supports the governament to have the power to do whatever it wants. I'm a libertarian not a communist like you.
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If everything was simple, we would agree instantly on everything.

You are right. It is simple to me. Clearly complicated to you.

were the land was not private property but a shared environement

Until another tribes comes in

A little 500 more years and they would have developped one of the most advanced civilization of the planet

No they would not. You don't even understand why Europeans were the most advanced in first place

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I'm pro resistance. I'm on the side of the oppressed, not the oppressors.

Any oppressed nation has the right to resist an oppressive nation.

So you're fine with people arming themselves for self defense

Yup, also, sometimes intentionnally distributed.

Don't tell me you believe in the smallpox blankets

It comes from the Guna poeple, in Panama. A delegation proposed this term and it has been used since then by natives and sociologists.

One simple Wikipedia search.
Do the Guna now own the entire double continent?

I'm using this term to be respectfull when I'm talking about the genocide of native Americans by Europeans.

Last time you were still able to spell it correctly, what happened?

 

[Logiko]

So you're fine with people arming themselves for self defense

Yes. Only if it is legitimated by a situation of oppression and imperialist or capitalist domination.

Don't tell me you believe in the smallpox blankets

I believe sociological work.

Do the Guna now own the entire double continent?

No natives own the continent. That was the basis of their organization system.
The continent was not a property, but a shared home. There were territories and nations but not the kind of capitalistic property of land that we can see today.

I love your ragebait, you always end up helping me make a point.

Last time you were still able to spell it correctly, what happened?

That's not all! If you observe closely, you will see that my words are usually backwards, that I have a problem with the english langague, that I have weird repetititive errors of spelling and that I can't pronounce "sence" correctly which - for some reason - tends to annoy Nameless a lot !

I write like I here and speak, and since I have language speaking issues and probably a form of dyslexia, I write weirdly. Which is a kind of ironic for someone who wants to create stories

You are right. It is simple to me. Clearly complicated to you.

We will see. I'd love to be surprised :)

No they would not. You don't even understand why Europeans were the most advanced in first place

It's a matter of point of view. What do you consider as "progress" ? Cause Materialists tend to consider this notion as obsolete. Progress from an imperialist perspective is not progress really.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

You'd be a terrible criminal.

Bold of you to assume I’m not already a criminal

I miss the part that having national security is punishing the citizens.

The national security is not supposed to be deployed AGAINST the citizens without cause, they’re not protecting anyone by terrorizing regular people who, again, have not actually committed any crimes yet. If anyone in charge really cared about eliminating crime, they wouldn’t be slashing access to and funding for social services and public healthcare like it’ll somehow save them from going to Hell when they finally die…instead, we get our own military turned on us

Again just because it was better than before doesn't mean it was any good. Was still high and he speed up the process. Pretty sure the people who would suffer such crimes would be happy if they knew they'd suffer it without Trump doing nothing.

What does this even mean?? How do people who are weaving in between National Guard members when walking to the corner store know they “would” be suffering from unwarranted violence?? This is one of the more asinine things you’ve said, and I’m including your stated desire to bang preteens

You don't even understand how ChatGPT works and yet is talking shit about it. It gave me data from better sources than progressive forum showing how his administration improved black people live just like previous Barack Obama did and Biden too.

I don’t rely on artificial intelligence to form my opinions or spare me the trouble of using my own powers of comprehension, no fucking machine is smarter than me!! 🤬🤬🤬
You posted one CBS News article, I thought you people didn’t trust mainstream media??? And where did it say anything about how he’s supposedly Black People’s White Savior?? God, if you think giving yourself over to a fake brain rather than using your own is something to be proud of, I’d hate to see what you consider phoning it in…

It seems they were arrested for being illegally at US. Which is a policy that I don't defend at all. But it is you that supports the governament to have the power to do whatever it wants. I'm a libertarian not a communist like you.

So we should pull people away from saving lives and land instead of picking a time when they’re not risking it all…I take it back, keep using ChatGPT because this is as dumb as it is callous. Also, fuckin’ lol at me apparently rooting for an all-powerful government, I’ve spent all day railing against it and this numbnuts is too preoccupied thinking about 14 year olds to pay any attention
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Wait, also fuckin’ LOL at “I’m a libertarian” like it means anything other than “even dumber conservative who likes to smoke pot”

Herrera in a nutshell:

>hates transgender people and defends white supremacists, strike “equality before the law and protection of civil rights” from the list
>thinks people should be punished before actually committing crimes and cheers on a country’s military occupying itself, there goes all the “freedom of” examples
>again, loves crowd control and military occupation, erase “oppose authority” et.al.

Some fucking libertarian we got here!! Hell, by this definition, I’M closer to being one than YOU are!! What do you have to say for yourself, comrade?!

 

[Reborn]

The police is first to PREVENT crime then later to CATCH the criminal. Just being there is enoug to reduce crime. If there is no crime for them to act then their mere presence is proving to be effective.


Because???


Not sure if I ever said what the age of consent should be. I say that here in Brazil is 14 and it works just well. Some arabic countries it is 12. But 18 is totally unreasonable and illogical.

About Obama...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-romney-family-trees-hold-slaves-british-countryfolk/story?id=16889505#:~:text=Obama's great,based on 1850 census records

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/20...lave-ownership-by-obama-s-maternal-ancestors/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/mar/04/uselections2008.barackobama#:~:text=Reitwiesner traced Obama's great,old woman

Are you kidding me? How 18 as age of consent unreasonable and illogical but not 12 and 14?


Do you even realize why 18 as age of consent hits the right age mark?


It's a median age

Biological and physical maturity occurs between 14-16 but psychological maturity continues until 23-25..

18 as age of consent marks the common ground.

It also coincides with completion of first phase of education that is school education (essential to make rational decisions like voting and consent).

Its also around this age puberty peaks and people are near stepping into adulthood.


So, how this age is unreasonable but not 12 and 14?

 

[Blax Blah]

Complaining about the age of consent and calling it "too high" is very weird

 

[Logiko]

Israel giving away his territory while seeking for peace was just a 4d chess genocide move

I'm just coming back to this because I didn't answer it : Remember, Israel is a colonial state that is STILL colonizing today.

There are no legitimate Israel territories on this planet. The land belonged to the native of the region, not Europeans, not zionists, only natives of the region.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I believe sociological work

What does this response even mean?

No natives own the continent. That was the basis of their organization system.
The continent was not a property, but a shared home. There were territories and nations but not the kind of capitalistic property of land that we can see today.

Concepts of land ownership don't required capitalism.
"Shared home" my rear. Raids and warfare including rape, kidnapping/forced adoption of children and adults alike, land grabbing and ethnic cleansing don't fit that idea of a peaceful shared home where everyone lived happily ever after. Oh I almost forgot to mention slavery.
You people may have good intentions but are venturing dangerously deep into noble savage territory with your "non capitalist shared garden of eden" kind of narrative.

You're defending the usage of a word taken from one particular language because it's what your favourite political influencers use and then build your reasoning backwards, you're like Bible archeologists that see everything as proof that the Bible is correct.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that this double continent was and to some degree still is home to incredibly diverse ethnic and culture groups with unique religions and mythologies. To group them all together is as nonsensical as to speak of "the Asian society" or "the African form of land distribution".
Your once again prove my observation that ultra leftists who approach the indigenous topic solely from an ultra left political angle are not really interested in indigenous issues in their own right but use indigenous people as a canvas to project their sociopolitical desires and agenda.
Which is, like I mentioned, not too different from the Noble Savage approach of earlier generations.

progress

Materialists tend to consider this notion as obsolete

Adding another one: you don't know the definition of words

 

[Reborn]

"They call me the President of Europe" - Trump

 

[Logiko]

What does this response even mean?

I believe and trust in scientific work.

Concepts of land ownership don't required capitalism.

Indeed.

You're defending the usage of a word taken from one particular language because it's what your favourite political influencers use and then build your reasoning backwards, you're like Bible archeologists that see everything as proof that the Bible is correct.

I'm defending a usage from natives out of respect, but also from sociologists. You may not care about science or respect, I do.

"Shared home" my rear.

If you prefer the term "common lands without individual private property" it also works. We are not talking about paradise, we are talking about a place where people do not own the land in the sense of the individual property we know at the moment.

Lands were given, shared, passed on, but not selled as an individual property. It was all a question of usage.

There was indeed many different cultures all around and many many groups of people. But capitalism and the concept of individual private property, is not something that came from this continent.

Raids and warfare including rape, kidnapping/forced adoption of children and adults alike, land grabbing and ethnic cleansing don't fit that idea of a peaceful shared home where everyone lived happily ever after.

You people may have good intentions but are venturing dangerously deep into noble savage territory with your "non capitalist shared garden of eden" kind of narrative.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that this double continent was and to some degree still is home to incredibly diverse ethnic and culture groups with unique religions and mythologies. To group them all together is as nonsensical as to speak of "the Asian society" or "the African form of land distribution".

Your once again prove my observation that ultra leftists who approach the indigenous topic solely from an ultra left political angle are not really interested in indigenous issues in their own right but use indigenous people as a canvas to project their sociopolitical desires and agenda.
Which is, like I mentioned, not too different from the Noble Savage approach of earlier generations.

Do not underestimate me to the point of thinking that I'm still idealizing natives and subjugated populations. I ended this phase long ago.

You are spreading these ideas ("non capitalist shared garden of eden") by yourself. And claim that I am somehow responsible of them.

- I'm talking directly with native, subjugated and colonized descendants to understand these subjects.
- I uses the words of scientifics and the words of collectives who are much more knowledgable on these subjects than me, you and the entire forum combined.
- I listen, not to native french politician or influencers on those subjects, but activist and teachers who cames from subjugated people and nations in France because of necessities.
- I also listen to activists coming from subjectated nations who are critical of their own people and their own praxis.

I hope this clarify what you think of me. (I don't even know why I need to explain that but hey..)

Adding another one: you don't know the definition of words

Are you sure you are understanding what I'm talking about and not just projecting your insecurities onto me ?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Whew!! Thank God we’ve got ICE doing their job so well, I’m glad this violent criminal is finally off our stre-hmm?? A nurse, you say?? Well, according to brainiacs like @HerreraIsBack (who’s probably disgusted by the fact that she’s not underage), she MIGHT have committed a crime at some point, so this preemptive measure will save as many lives as *checks notes* a practicing medical professional would

 

[Roo]

I'm just coming back to this because I didn't answer it : Remember, Israel is a colonial state that is STILL colonizing today.

There are no legitimate Israel territories on this planet. The land belonged to the native of the region, not Europeans, not zionists, only natives of the region.

there's no such thing as true natives to a region, humans migrate all the time

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

there's no such thing as true natives to a region, humans migrate all the time

You are right all people come from Africa therefore Elon is just as native to south Africa as your average Khoekhoe individual👍🙂

"They call me the President of Europe" - Trump

Europa, capital of Amsterdam

You may not care about science or respect, I do.

Lands were given, shared, passed on,

and repopulated after ethnic cleansing

But capitalism and the concept of individual private property, is not something that came from this continent.

nobody was insinuating this
Cry bunny

You shoud've stayed away from the forum

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I’m an accountant at a retirement home, and I gotta tell you, these white folks are all champing at the bit to get on Medicaid…but half of them voted (two or three times) for the guy who’s slashing it to the bone, so I have to tell them this is the “find out” phase of “fuck around and find out”

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

so I have to tell them this is the “find out” phase of “fuck around and find out”

Actually tell them in the face

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Actually tell them in the face

I obviously have to use softer language, but I’ve genuinely had to tell several families that they’ll have to find somewhere else to live because we just can’t afford to keep them…really fucking sad, but again, this is what they get for supporting the most unscrupulous con man of all time, the rest of us tried telling these folks not to fall for it on three separate occasions but they decided they were smarter than us

 

[Reborn]

I obviously have to use softer language, but I’ve genuinely had to tell several families that they’ll have to find somewhere else to live because we just can’t afford to keep them…really fucking sad, but again, this is what they get for supporting the most unscrupulous con man of all time, the rest of us tried telling these folks not to fall for it on three separate occasions but they decided they were smarter than us

Taco definitely deserves all the criticism and hate for ruining America - not only from within but across the World as this is the first time I have seen whole world having resentment towards USA.....

Decades of efforts made to build relationships, trust and American legacy are getting destroyed by Trump.

Even NATO allies are now showing the same resentment, and lack of trust towards America which speaks volume of the damage Trump has caused and you guys still have to see two more years of him as the President ..


However, even if Trump is this stupid but what about his aides? How on earth the whole administration can be this stupid?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Taco definitely deserves all the criticism and hate for ruining America - not only from within but across the World as this is the first time I have seen whole world having resentment towards USA.....

Decades of efforts made to build relationships, trust and American legacy are getting destroyed by Trump.

Even NATO allies are now showing the same resentment, and lack of trust towards America which speaks volume of the damage Trump has caused and you guys still have to see two more years of him as the President ..


However, even if Trump is this stupid but what about his aides? How on earth the whole administration can be this stupid?

He’s a massive dumbass, but he surrounds himself with smarter (and comparably evil) cronies to carry out their agenda; Donnie’s always been someone’s puppet, whether his master is Putin or Steven Miller doesn’t make a difference. Look up the Heritage Foundation (the organization that created Project 2025) and you start seeing the strings, he’s just doing whatever they tell him to do and ruining the country along the way. My real problem is how many religious nuts are cheering this on, they truly want to restrict all access to public health and social services in a bid to either privatize it all (while assuredly jacking up the costs), make regular people suffer without any recourse, or both…as if this kind of thing will never touch their lives, which it absolutely will if they don’t have the kind of money to stave it off

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

He’s a massive dumbass, but he surrounds himself with smarter (and comparably evil) cronies to carry out their agenda; Donnie’s always been someone’s puppet, whether his master is Putin or Steven Miller doesn’t make a difference. Look up the Heritage Foundation (the organization that created Project 2025) and you start seeing the strings, he’s just doing whatever they tell him to do and ruining the country along the way. My real problem is how many religious nuts are cheering this on, they truly want to restrict all access to public health and social services in a bid to either privatize it all (while assuredly jacking up the costs), make regular people suffer without any recourse, or both…as if this kind of thing will never touch their lives, which it absolutely will if they don’t have the kind of money to stave it off

When we suffer we get closer to Jesus.💗✝️
It's all part of the plan.