Controversial General Political Discussion

[Okamakama]

Solis posts guillotine memes frequently. C4N is saying Kirk is a fascist that brought this down on himself. Jew said similar things and also said he opened up a champagne bottle, and Toby didn't say shit, but we know that deep down he is finding all of this very amusing. These people have never fooled me. In Brazil, the same guys that preach love, democracy, and equality are the ones that started a terrorist campaign to overthrow democracy and turn Brazil into a giant Cuba back in the 60s.

I'm not about to search to see if you're telling me the truth. I really cannot be arsed to go through the thread to see if you're right.

All I will say is the following: Practice what you preach. If you're against guns, don't laugh smugly that they killed another man just because said man agreed with them. People's values and morals should remain consistent regardless of the individual they are commenting on. Which would insinuate, based on the quote, that Jew either has a malicious heart, or his values are inconsistent, or, at worst, falsely presented.

Regardless, this whole situation is tragic. My heart goes out to his widow and two young children.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Actually anyone even defending 2nd Amendment i feel they have motive or fed by fox news propoganda .

Gun control is possible your politician lie to you because they have money invested on them by big industry people . They dont care about Kirk who was used by politician to do bidding i would say he was victim because information is such powerful tool he was equally lied about it .

Unfortunately even podcaster who were in middle became Donald’s cheerleaders .

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Bro, this is grim. Learn some humanity.

I don't care what you or anyone else tells me on this topic. Some things you can't change my mind on.
Charlie said it himself, empathy supposedly is a made up emotion and gun violence is necessary to keep the 2nd amendment.
He was a horrible person and he died from the things he kept treating like a joke. Do I condone killing people for simply being a huge asshole but likely never actually committing crimes? No. Do I condone gun violence in general? No.
That doesn't mean I can't say that the way he died was funny and that I don't have sympathy for him. It's not like if I were in the sniper's situation I'd have pulled the trigger too, because I definitely wouldn't.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I'm not out to defend the guy or his beliefs, you're obviously entitled to your own opinion about the guy.

But I do find it quite troubling that a public speaker gets assassinated in broad daylight, and people are dismissing and mocking his death.

I obviously don't know everything the guy stands for, and I honestly do not care - as long as it's not actual calls to violence or discrimination etc.
Nobody should get shot for using their right to free speech.

Is it scary that people can be put down on live tv for simply voicing their opinions? Yes.
Do I care that Charlie specifically is gone? No. Not at all.

 

[Okamakama]

I don't care what you or anyone else tells me on this topic. Some things you can't change my mind on.
Charlie said it himself, empathy supposedly is a made up emotion and gun violence is necessary to keep the 2nd amendment.
He was a horrible person and he died from the things he kept treating like a joke. Do I condone killing people for simply being a huge asshole but likely never actually committing crimes? No. Do I condone gun violence in general? No.
That doesn't mean I can't say that the way he died was funny and that I don't have sympathy for him. It's not like if I were in the sniper's situation I'd have pulled the trigger too, because I definitely wouldn't.

Yes, but you clearly don't agree with Charlie's description on empathy. It's almost like your friend/enemy distinction is more important than your values.

The way he died was not funny. His kids and wife will forever be able to see a video of their father/husband dying. Disgusting.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

The only people who cry and lash out when fascists die are fellow fascists, there’s no need to slow down for these nutjob mongrels who so happily cheer on the pain and misery their neighbors go through because of their votes and actions

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yes, but you clearly don't agree with Charlie's description on empathy. It's almost like your friend/enemy distinction is more important than your values.

The way he died was not funny. His kids and wife will forever be able to see a video of their father/husband dying. Disgusting.

Y'all pull this "But he had a wife and children though!!" thing every time. Some people even did it when Trump got shot.
At some point you need to realize a person having a family doesn't mean they're above any type of punishment, and I'm not saying Kirk deserved to get SHOT, but he deserved SOMETHING to give him a wake up call. Again, though, the shooting was a little extra for my tastes, but at the same time the dude implied that we shouldn't care if he died in the first place, so what's with all this uproar over us proceeding to not care much when he dies? Keep in mind if any one of us died and in fact died a horrible death, at most he may see us on the news channel but he'd just consider our death a necessity for his beliefs. That man doesn't care about any single fucking person on this ENTIRE FORUM and you think I NEED to care about him?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Okamakama if you want to continue that argument we can do it here, I don't want to get messages deleted in the general chat

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Right wing shooters have a way higher body count than Left wing shooters bro

Based on?

 

[RayanOO]

The problem is that their constitution grants unrestricted free speech. Some speeches radicalize people. Look at what what ISIS does to recruit people.

I agree too
US system generate violence

People demonstrating all day long and yelling in front of hospital that practices abortion is horrendous
Being able to be a white supremacist in peace and parading in the street
But the extreme left too with some wild behaviors

and overall the takes being far more extremes in US than in Europe about pretty much all the subjects

UE system is far far far from perfect but US system generates more violence

and obviously the gun policy doesn’t help at all

 

[Okamakama]

@Okamakama if you want to continue that argument we can do it here, I don't want to get messages deleted in the general chat

It's fine. Ultimately, we hold different views. I didn't even think of our conversation as an "argument".

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Here’s the dearly departed celebrating 4500 people being arrested/displaced over the span of two days, tell me why I should care about his wife and kids when he’s thrilled to see that many families get ripped apart…if you have sympathy for him but not everyone else, you’re virtue signaling in the worst way

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I don't care what you or anyone else tells me on this topic. Some things you can't change my mind on.
Charlie said it himself, empathy supposedly is a made up emotion and gun violence is necessary to keep the 2nd amendment.
He was a horrible person and he died from the things he kept treating like a joke. Do I condone killing people for simply being a huge asshole but likely never actually committing crimes? No. Do I condone gun violence in general? No.
That doesn't mean I can't say that the way he died was funny and that I don't have sympathy for him. It's not like if I were in the sniper's situation I'd have pulled the trigger too, because I definitely wouldn't.

He was part of system who was parrotted lies he is not the lynchpin . I wont be surprised if lobbies decided to end him because this will keep news about 2nd Amendment .

He is victim of the process in a way .

 

[NAMELESS]

Y'all pull this "But he had a wife and children though!!" thing every time. Some people even did it when Trump got shot.
At some point you need to realize a person having a family doesn't mean they're above any type of punishment, and I'm not saying Kirk deserved to get SHOT, but he deserved SOMETHING to give him a wake up call. Again, though, the shooting was a little extra for my tastes, but at the same time the dude implied that we shouldn't care if he died in the first place, so what's with all this uproar over us proceeding to not care much when he dies? Keep in mind if any one of us died and in fact died a horrible death, at most he may see us on the news channel but he'd just consider our death a necessity for his beliefs. That man doesn't care about any single fucking person on this ENTIRE FORUM and you think I NEED to care about him?

You don't need to care about him, but do you care about consequences? Political violence (aka terrorism) like this can easily trigger civil conflict. Shit like this radicalizes people on the opposing side. Do you care about your friends, family, and neighborhood? If I were American, I would be fucking worried right now. Violence is escalating. This isn't a good omen. This isn't a laughing matter. I'm not going to be a hypocrite about this. Jesus said hate sin, but love the sinner. I can't do this. If Lula, Maduro and so on were murdered I would feel no sympathy at all for them either, but at the same time i would be scared cause i know what would come next. Those US vessels in the Caribbean are a bad bad fucking omen too, man. I really hope Lula isn't stupid enough to actually give political asylum to that narcoterorist cause Trump will totally start beef with Brazil to take him out. Lula is doing everything he can to make sure Brazil gets destroyed.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You don't need to care about him, but do you care about consequences?

I told y'all multiple times I do.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Here’s the dearly departed celebrating 4500 people being arrested/displaced over the span of two days, tell me why I should care about his wife and kids when he’s thrilled to see that many families get ripped apart…if you have sympathy for him but not everyone else, you’re virtue signaling in the worst way

If they want to follow then by all means.
Stop pretending you're for Law when people like them are Illegal.
Not just laws you want enforced.
If they didn't want this to happen, they should have gone through the system legally. Others have done so, why can't they.
Sorry anything you say will be bullshit.

 

[NAMELESS]

I agree too
US system generate violence

People demonstrating all day long and yelling in front of hospital that practices abortion is horrendous
Being able to be a white supremacist in peace and parading in the street
But the extreme left too with some wild behaviors

and overall the takes being far more extremes in US than in Europe about pretty much all the subjects

UE system is far far far from perfect but US system generates more violence

and obviously the gun policy doesn’t help at all

Look, I don't agree on the abortion take, because it is murder in my book. Nobody has a right to murder. But America allows for Nazism, racism, and pretty much speech akin to terrorism to freely circulate. I don't think they should. But it's their country; to each their own.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Long term Lula is doing good for your country , trump wont stay forever lol.

Trump wants his buddy Bolsanaro to escape political persecution .

Lula is doing shit. You think you know better than me how the situation in my country is?

Lula will be out before Trump. And Trump will leave a sucessor. After Charlie Kirk murder yesterday forget about the left winning the next elections.

Yes, of course Trump wants to help Bolsonaro, because he went through the same thing. Look at that ridiculous judge holding a political trial, condemning Trump but facing no consequences himself. Same shit is happening to Bolsonaro, if they wanted to simply arrest him they'd already do it like they did to many other innocents but they want to kill him politically and they are failling over and over again.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

If they want to follow then by all means.
Stop pretending you're for Law when people like them are Illegal.
Not just laws you want enforced.
If they didn't want this to happen, they should have gone through the system legally. Others have done so, why can't they.
Sorry anything you say will be bullshit.

They’re still human beings this isn’t about the law, this is about treating other people with decency because it’s the right thing to do. That’s precisely why you and the other rightie asshats in this thread get torn to shreds on a daily basis, you’re just getting back what you give and you hate to be talked to the way you deserve. As usual, you pieces of scum wanna give up the forest for a single rotten tree…if his life was so valuable, so are the thousands of people who were abducted by ICE regardless of their green card status. MAGAts don’t care about anyone but themselves and other people who “think” the same way as them, so they’re incapable of treating anyone with respect or grace, which is why they’re shown none in return. If you wanna sacrifice your spot in a decent society by delegitimizing millions of normal folks just trying to live their lives, don’t bitch and moan when you’re shunned from same.

 

[NAMELESS]

Here’s the dearly departed celebrating 4500 ILLEGALS being arrested/displaced over the span of two days, tell me why I should care about his wife and kids when he’s thrilled to see that many families get ripped apart…if you have sympathy for him but not everyone else, you’re virtue signaling in the worst way

Corrected it for you.