Controversial General Political Discussion
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Fair. I don't like using AI too much either, but I have no reasons to believe that you will find my explanations more valid than an AI, so I will use mines:
Here is the prompt :
Can you tell me why a historical materialist leftist thinks the sentence "transphobes are mentally ill and should get help" is ableist?
Make a vulgarized and shorter answer (two paragraph max)
Here is Grok's (snarky wtf?) answer:
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A historical materialist leftist sees calling transphobes "mentally ill" as straight-up ableist bullshit because it slaps a clinical label on bigotry, turning prejudice into a personal brain glitch instead of a toxic byproduct of capitalist grind. Transphobia ain't some lone-wolf disorder—it's baked into the system, enforcing rigid gender roles to keep workers divided and reproducing the workforce for free. By pathologizing haters as "sick," you're dodging the real fight: smashing the economic base that breeds this crap, not slapping a DSM sticker on it and calling it therapy.
Twitter sources:
Worse, it punches down on actually mentally ill folks, implying their struggles make 'em irrational or dangerous—like historical powers did to colonized rebels or queer icons. This divides the working class, pitting disabled and trans comrades against each other while the bosses laugh. Leftist solidarity means naming transphobes as bigots shaped by bourgeois lies, not "crazy" ones needing a shrink—organize to torch the roots, or you're just liberal cosplay."
(I swear, I never talked to it with that account lmao, it just randomly started to talk like that when I asked it to vulgarize ... oh wait!)
Here is Gemini's:
A historical materialist leftist would argue that the sentence "transphobes are mentally ill and should get help" is ableist because it pathologizes transphobia. This approach frames a political and social problem—bigotry against transgender people—as a medical one. By attributing transphobia to mental illness, it implies that the individual is sick and needs treatment, rather than holding them accountable for their actions and beliefs, which are shaped by societal structures and power dynamics. From a historical materialist perspective, transphobia is a product of social and economic conditions, not a personal affliction.
The core of the argument is that this statement uses disability and mental illness as a slur. It equates a form of bigotry with a medical condition, thereby reinforcing the stigma around mental health. It also distracts from the root causes of transphobia, such as the maintenance of gender hierarchies and the oppression of marginalized groups under capitalism. Instead of addressing the systemic issues that produce transphobia, the statement reduces it to a personal failing, which ultimately harms both disabled people and the struggle for trans liberation.
Here is ChatGPT's:
A historical materialist leftist would say that calling transphobes “mentally ill” shifts the blame onto individual psychology instead of the material and social structures (like patriarchy, capitalism, and reactionary politics) that actually produce transphobia. It treats oppression as a personal defect rather than a systemic issue.
It’s also ableist because it uses mental illness as an insult — implying that being mentally ill is shameful or inherently linked to bigotry. This both stigmatizes mentally ill people (who are often themselves oppressed) and lets actual oppressive systems off the hook.
Here is the prompt :
Can you tell me why a historical materialist leftist thinks the sentence "transphobes are mentally ill and should get help" is ableist?
Make a vulgarized and shorter answer (two paragraph max)
Here is Grok's (snarky wtf?) answer:
"
A historical materialist leftist sees calling transphobes "mentally ill" as straight-up ableist bullshit because it slaps a clinical label on bigotry, turning prejudice into a personal brain glitch instead of a toxic byproduct of capitalist grind. Transphobia ain't some lone-wolf disorder—it's baked into the system, enforcing rigid gender roles to keep workers divided and reproducing the workforce for free. By pathologizing haters as "sick," you're dodging the real fight: smashing the economic base that breeds this crap, not slapping a DSM sticker on it and calling it therapy.
Twitter sources:
Worse, it punches down on actually mentally ill folks, implying their struggles make 'em irrational or dangerous—like historical powers did to colonized rebels or queer icons. This divides the working class, pitting disabled and trans comrades against each other while the bosses laugh. Leftist solidarity means naming transphobes as bigots shaped by bourgeois lies, not "crazy" ones needing a shrink—organize to torch the roots, or you're just liberal cosplay."
(I swear, I never talked to it with that account lmao, it just randomly started to talk like that when I asked it to vulgarize ... oh wait!)
Here is Gemini's:
A historical materialist leftist would argue that the sentence "transphobes are mentally ill and should get help" is ableist because it pathologizes transphobia. This approach frames a political and social problem—bigotry against transgender people—as a medical one. By attributing transphobia to mental illness, it implies that the individual is sick and needs treatment, rather than holding them accountable for their actions and beliefs, which are shaped by societal structures and power dynamics. From a historical materialist perspective, transphobia is a product of social and economic conditions, not a personal affliction.
The core of the argument is that this statement uses disability and mental illness as a slur. It equates a form of bigotry with a medical condition, thereby reinforcing the stigma around mental health. It also distracts from the root causes of transphobia, such as the maintenance of gender hierarchies and the oppression of marginalized groups under capitalism. Instead of addressing the systemic issues that produce transphobia, the statement reduces it to a personal failing, which ultimately harms both disabled people and the struggle for trans liberation.
Here is ChatGPT's:
A historical materialist leftist would say that calling transphobes “mentally ill” shifts the blame onto individual psychology instead of the material and social structures (like patriarchy, capitalism, and reactionary politics) that actually produce transphobia. It treats oppression as a personal defect rather than a systemic issue.
It’s also ableist because it uses mental illness as an insult — implying that being mentally ill is shameful or inherently linked to bigotry. This both stigmatizes mentally ill people (who are often themselves oppressed) and lets actual oppressive systems off the hook.
Why do you care so much about the employees celebrating it that you wouldn't buy the product anymore
I personally don't drink soda (I haven't for like, 4 or more months, I think?) for health reasons but if I did I'd get coca cola no matter what
I think people go too far with this moral stuff and it's weird because I know everyone in this thread definitely listens to a certain artist that's a shitty person or plays games made by a shitty person or people.
You can hate what they do in private while still liking the products they serve you.
I personally don't drink soda (I haven't for like, 4 or more months, I think?) for health reasons but if I did I'd get coca cola no matter what
I think people go too far with this moral stuff and it's weird because I know everyone in this thread definitely listens to a certain artist that's a shitty person or plays games made by a shitty person or people.
You can hate what they do in private while still liking the products they serve you.
You're speaking with the guy who advocated for committing genocide against indigenous peoples and called them child murdering devil worshippers. What did you expect?
I want to see his reaction when illegal immigrants swarm Brazil and "nuke" the Brazilian culture he seems so proud of.
Last time I confronted him with these double standards he's using he had an inexplicable instant micro meltdown tho so I wouldn't provoke him further if I were you.
I want to see his reaction when illegal immigrants swarm Brazil and "nuke" the Brazilian culture he seems so proud of.
Last time I confronted him with these double standards he's using he had an inexplicable instant micro meltdown tho so I wouldn't provoke him further if I were you.
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Like I said anyone is free to do what they want. Was just explaining how such line probably doesn't exist. You know how Russia got sanctioned and countries are not allowed to buy and sell from it anymore? Similar to Cuba. Etc. If you see no problem with it fine but you know you are helping a country that is invading another. Some people rather not to be part of it.
Same thing about drugs, if you buy drugs you are helping the system of it, aka cartels that are a bunch of murderes.
Same thing about drugs, if you buy drugs you are helping the system of it, aka cartels that are a bunch of murderes.
It will be the same answer bro.
The problem is not mental, it's political and structural. And the reason why we - materialist - absolutely refuse to call it "mental", is because it individualize the problem. It shift the blame on a personnal issue in this case a mental issue, to avoid talking about a structural problem that is the reason why those person acts like this.
As Marx perfectly explained : It is not consciousness that determines life, but life that determines consciousness.
This means that the problem does not come from people, but the system shaped by the people (even if it doesn't mean we should deresponsibilize the people inside the system). And in this case, making it personnal through a mental issue or a mental illness will inevitably resonnate on people suffering from ableism. As the behavior will be inevitably perpetuated as it is already a perpetuation of the domination system that is ableism.
If you understand this. You will not only start to become a real leftist, but you will bypass the simple radical phase toward materialism. And trust me, if you do that, your ENTIRE vision of the world will shift.
(Don't think that I'm focusing on this for no reason. I believe now that it will be much more productive to include people like you or soft leftist here who are closer to me into this form of radical materialist thinking than trying to include Nameless or Ravager or Herrera who don't want to listen anyway.)
The problem is not mental, it's political and structural. And the reason why we - materialist - absolutely refuse to call it "mental", is because it individualize the problem. It shift the blame on a personnal issue in this case a mental issue, to avoid talking about a structural problem that is the reason why those person acts like this.
As Marx perfectly explained : It is not consciousness that determines life, but life that determines consciousness.
This means that the problem does not come from people, but the system shaped by the people (even if it doesn't mean we should deresponsibilize the people inside the system). And in this case, making it personnal through a mental issue or a mental illness will inevitably resonnate on people suffering from ableism. As the behavior will be inevitably perpetuated as it is already a perpetuation of the domination system that is ableism.
If you understand this. You will not only start to become a real leftist, but you will bypass the simple radical phase toward materialism. And trust me, if you do that, your ENTIRE vision of the world will shift.
(Don't think that I'm focusing on this for no reason. I believe now that it will be much more productive to include people like you or soft leftist here who are closer to me into this form of radical materialist thinking than trying to include Nameless or Ravager or Herrera who don't want to listen anyway.)