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But Nika-kun, Charlie Kirk died!
The UK dedicated a whole fucking hour to reporting on this and nothing else. UKKK at it again.
The UK dedicated a whole fucking hour to reporting on this and nothing else. UKKK at it again.
He's already been having a lot of health issues lately, after all, imagine if that came a little after Charlie got killed..
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Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.
In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.
And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.
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Source: https://education.cfr.org/learn/learning-journey/what-does-fascism-really-mean/what-is-fascism
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Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement that rose to prominence in early-20th-century Europe.[1][2][3] Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[3][4] Opposed to communism, democracy, liberalism, pluralism, and socialism,[5][6] fascism is at the far right of the traditional left–right spectrum.[1][6][7]
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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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I will give definitions for communism and socialism, but I think it's really important to mention that the definition for them that you will find may have two issues:
1. Sourcing only Marx and Engels, and not the many other socialists of the time, that took place in organisations like the first international, and
2. The doctrines of marxism-leninism, which is not original marxism, and which makes stuff up and muddies the water
Communism:
"advocacy of a classless society in which private ownership has been abolished and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community "
Source: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/communism
Socialism:
"Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems[1] characterised by social ownership of the means of production,[2] as opposed to private ownership.[3][4][5] It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems.[6] Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative,[7][8][9] or employee. "
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.
In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.
And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.
"
Source: https://education.cfr.org/learn/learning-journey/what-does-fascism-really-mean/what-is-fascism
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Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement that rose to prominence in early-20th-century Europe.[1][2][3] Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[3][4] Opposed to communism, democracy, liberalism, pluralism, and socialism,[5][6] fascism is at the far right of the traditional left–right spectrum.[1][6][7]
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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
And
I will give definitions for communism and socialism, but I think it's really important to mention that the definition for them that you will find may have two issues:
1. Sourcing only Marx and Engels, and not the many other socialists of the time, that took place in organisations like the first international, and
2. The doctrines of marxism-leninism, which is not original marxism, and which makes stuff up and muddies the water
Communism:
"advocacy of a classless society in which private ownership has been abolished and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community "
Source: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/communism
Socialism:
"Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems[1] characterised by social ownership of the means of production,[2] as opposed to private ownership.[3][4][5] It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems.[6] Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative,[7][8][9] or employee. "
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Exactly man. It doesn't help with that pose he took after getting shot and how it became a symbol of "hope, rebellion, power, triumph" etc ironically. If he had been killed or when he dies anyway, he's gonna be a martyr, the left will be blamed as per usual and riots and more incidents like Jan 6 will happen.
I saw people joking they're gonna have to weekend at bernies him (ironically we have bernie sanders) with AI to "keep him alive" and try to satiate, placate his actual genuine IRL Borderlands psycho cult.
There was a video of him addressing Charlie Kirk situation or something the other day and people were noticing some blatant discrepancies on him, as if it were AI generated. Some suspect it was probably just footage edited down with AI, automatic trimming/highlighting hence the uncanny valley issues (hands blending or such) but I wouldn't be surprised if they started doing this unironically in future. The near future even.
Black Mirror and other technodystopia stories predicted shit like this happening years and decades ago. Hell, Futurama has been satirising it for decades now too.
Not to mention how much this Charlie Kirk thing is being pushed to purposely distract and make others forget about more shootings, Trumpy and Epstein, our human rights getting more and more eradicated by new legislations, Israel and gaza, Russia and Ukraine and so on.
It's only gonna get worse unfortunately.
I saw people joking they're gonna have to weekend at bernies him (ironically we have bernie sanders) with AI to "keep him alive" and try to satiate, placate his actual genuine IRL Borderlands psycho cult.
There was a video of him addressing Charlie Kirk situation or something the other day and people were noticing some blatant discrepancies on him, as if it were AI generated. Some suspect it was probably just footage edited down with AI, automatic trimming/highlighting hence the uncanny valley issues (hands blending or such) but I wouldn't be surprised if they started doing this unironically in future. The near future even.
Black Mirror and other technodystopia stories predicted shit like this happening years and decades ago. Hell, Futurama has been satirising it for decades now too.
Not to mention how much this Charlie Kirk thing is being pushed to purposely distract and make others forget about more shootings, Trumpy and Epstein, our human rights getting more and more eradicated by new legislations, Israel and gaza, Russia and Ukraine and so on.
It's only gonna get worse unfortunately.
I see what you mean and you are right. It transformed into a pattern and I must stop that.
I have a problem tho, I cannot spend 2 more years just aknowledging the fact that other people's experience matter when their words are actually harmfull in an active way and when I know there is an active danger lumming over this place and overall fanbase.
It would be one thing to be patient and connect with someone who I can have conflictual yet constructive discussions with like Jew, Monster or Toby, it's another to take the time to connect with people who are doing actual harm like Ravager or Herrera even when they are not aware of it.
Here, while not being the only one to go against their rethoric, We are only two trying to bring popular education to the table and it feels like I'm "fighting" alone against this staff because I understand the most the danger of just allowing them to strive in such a space. Simply because I'm directly impacted by their rethoric.
I understood that it was almost impossible to influence them directly, so this only chance I got, is to make others understand the danger.
So what would you do if you were me and you wanted to protect new people or the fanbase from them?
Ow... that's an information I didn't have. Good to know. I can see now why resonning with him is complex.
Communism is basically a stateless and classless society where the means of production belong to the collective working force. It's a supposed society where domination of human over other human do not exist anymore.
Socialism is a supposed state of transition between capitalism and Communism. It can have multiple face since there are multiple ways of picturing said transition. The goal of socialism is to transfert the means of productions from the bourgoisie and private concentrated property to the collective working force and better the material conditions of existence of all, to a point where we end up in a communist society.. or not, some socialist can also be refomist that do not aim toward the end goal that is communist. But Socialism is a transmormative system that aims to pushes society toward better material conditions of existence.
Fascism is a form of ethnonationalist and authoritarian set of behaviors and system where different sets of values are promoted : For more information, you can read the essay of Umberto Eco on Ur-Fascism. The goal of this system is to push for the unity of the people toward a supposed better future.
The funny thing is > All three ideologies are transformative.
I have a problem tho, I cannot spend 2 more years just aknowledging the fact that other people's experience matter when their words are actually harmfull in an active way and when I know there is an active danger lumming over this place and overall fanbase.
It would be one thing to be patient and connect with someone who I can have conflictual yet constructive discussions with like Jew, Monster or Toby, it's another to take the time to connect with people who are doing actual harm like Ravager or Herrera even when they are not aware of it.
Here, while not being the only one to go against their rethoric, We are only two trying to bring popular education to the table and it feels like I'm "fighting" alone against this staff because I understand the most the danger of just allowing them to strive in such a space. Simply because I'm directly impacted by their rethoric.
I understood that it was almost impossible to influence them directly, so this only chance I got, is to make others understand the danger.
So what would you do if you were me and you wanted to protect new people or the fanbase from them?
Ow... that's an information I didn't have. Good to know. I can see now why resonning with him is complex.
Communism is basically a stateless and classless society where the means of production belong to the collective working force. It's a supposed society where domination of human over other human do not exist anymore.
Socialism is a supposed state of transition between capitalism and Communism. It can have multiple face since there are multiple ways of picturing said transition. The goal of socialism is to transfert the means of productions from the bourgoisie and private concentrated property to the collective working force and better the material conditions of existence of all, to a point where we end up in a communist society.. or not, some socialist can also be refomist that do not aim toward the end goal that is communist. But Socialism is a transmormative system that aims to pushes society toward better material conditions of existence.
Fascism is a form of ethnonationalist and authoritarian set of behaviors and system where different sets of values are promoted : For more information, you can read the essay of Umberto Eco on Ur-Fascism. The goal of this system is to push for the unity of the people toward a supposed better future.
The funny thing is > All three ideologies are transformative.
LMAO
In the whimsical, yet deeply unsettling, world of "Naruto: The Great Wall of Files," we find our protagonist, Donny Uzumaki, a boisterous, gold-haired ninja with an insatiable craving for media attention and a surprising knack for deflecting even the most direct attacks. Donny, an orphan (of accountability), dreams of becoming the Hokage of the Village Of The Hidden Epstein Files – a shadowy settlement perpetually shrouded in a fog of legal documents, sealed records, and whispered rumors.
Donny's greatest rival is "Crooked Hillary" Haruno, a perpetually exasperated ninja who just wants to get to the bottom of things, but is constantly thwarted by Donny's chaotic energy and uncanny ability to turn any accusation into a rallying cry. Then there's "Sleepy Joe" Uchiha, a seasoned but often-confused elder ninja, who occasionally wakes up long enough to accidentally spill some classified tea, much to the exasperation of everyone else.
Donny's signature jutsu is the "Art of the Art of the Deal," a powerful genjutsu that can convince anyone, even himself, that he's always winning. He also masters the "Fake News no Jutsu," which creates an illusion of widespread dissent against any truth he finds inconvenient. But his ultimate technique is the "Executive Order no Jutsu," a forbidden art that allows him to bypass pesky rules and summon a legion of loyal "MAGA-ras" (Make America Great Again ninjas) to defend him from any perceived threat.
The village itself is a bureaucratic nightmare, with the "Deep State" elders constantly trying to decipher the true contents of the Epstein Files, which are rumored to hold the ultimate secrets to global power, or at least a really embarrassing guest list. Donny, however, believes the files are just a "witch hunt" designed to stop him from achieving his destiny.
The series follows Donny's ridiculous journey as he tries to navigate ninja exams (which he mostly passes by declaring himself the winner), confronts the "RINOs" (Rogue Infiltrating Ninja Operatives) who dare to question him, and constantly tweets his ninja adventures for all the world to see.
Will Donny ever truly uncover the secrets of the Epstein Files, or will he just continue to distract everyone with a never-ending stream of reality-bending drama? Find out in "Naruto: The Great Wall of Files," where the only thing more powerful than a Rasengan is a well-placed executive order!
In the whimsical, yet deeply unsettling, world of "Naruto: The Great Wall of Files," we find our protagonist, Donny Uzumaki, a boisterous, gold-haired ninja with an insatiable craving for media attention and a surprising knack for deflecting even the most direct attacks. Donny, an orphan (of accountability), dreams of becoming the Hokage of the Village Of The Hidden Epstein Files – a shadowy settlement perpetually shrouded in a fog of legal documents, sealed records, and whispered rumors.
Donny's greatest rival is "Crooked Hillary" Haruno, a perpetually exasperated ninja who just wants to get to the bottom of things, but is constantly thwarted by Donny's chaotic energy and uncanny ability to turn any accusation into a rallying cry. Then there's "Sleepy Joe" Uchiha, a seasoned but often-confused elder ninja, who occasionally wakes up long enough to accidentally spill some classified tea, much to the exasperation of everyone else.
Donny's signature jutsu is the "Art of the Art of the Deal," a powerful genjutsu that can convince anyone, even himself, that he's always winning. He also masters the "Fake News no Jutsu," which creates an illusion of widespread dissent against any truth he finds inconvenient. But his ultimate technique is the "Executive Order no Jutsu," a forbidden art that allows him to bypass pesky rules and summon a legion of loyal "MAGA-ras" (Make America Great Again ninjas) to defend him from any perceived threat.
The village itself is a bureaucratic nightmare, with the "Deep State" elders constantly trying to decipher the true contents of the Epstein Files, which are rumored to hold the ultimate secrets to global power, or at least a really embarrassing guest list. Donny, however, believes the files are just a "witch hunt" designed to stop him from achieving his destiny.
The series follows Donny's ridiculous journey as he tries to navigate ninja exams (which he mostly passes by declaring himself the winner), confronts the "RINOs" (Rogue Infiltrating Ninja Operatives) who dare to question him, and constantly tweets his ninja adventures for all the world to see.
Will Donny ever truly uncover the secrets of the Epstein Files, or will he just continue to distract everyone with a never-ending stream of reality-bending drama? Find out in "Naruto: The Great Wall of Files," where the only thing more powerful than a Rasengan is a well-placed executive order!
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@ShinmenTakezo also these are the fourteen features of fascism outlined in Ur-fascism by Umberto Eco, that Logiko mentioned:
1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
If I were in your shoes then....
1) Pick my political space - This forum primarily and majorly serve as forum for one piece. Political topics are mostly background noises here.
Even if some do show interests then most people are not coming here to learn but to vent and express themselves as freely and as anonymously they can.
So, I will find my political space.
2) Youtube - would be my first priority for political space. I can speak my mind freely. Additionally, I can influence people through YouTube at much bigger scale than any other forums.
Even if some will disagree, there will be others who would align with my world view. So, I will get to connect with them and influence them.
Progress will be slower, I have to be more creative but in long run, I will have bigger base to reach out.
3) Way to connect - I will find my own way to connect with them.
Maybe picking up real life ongoing case study to tell them my thoughts.
Or... Perhaps sharing news and my own observations to make my point clear.
I might even try animations such as motion graphics to reach wider audience.
Knowledge with touch of creativity
4) Approach - no leader (even fascists ones like Hitler) ever tried to change people's world view forcefully. They used their communication skills or orator skills to influence people.
So, my focus would be on communication skills and making my point come across in a manner that touches people nerve and emotions rather than trying to change them or impose anything on them.
And, rest is completely your wish.
1) Pick my political space - This forum primarily and majorly serve as forum for one piece. Political topics are mostly background noises here.
Even if some do show interests then most people are not coming here to learn but to vent and express themselves as freely and as anonymously they can.
So, I will find my political space.
2) Youtube - would be my first priority for political space. I can speak my mind freely. Additionally, I can influence people through YouTube at much bigger scale than any other forums.
Even if some will disagree, there will be others who would align with my world view. So, I will get to connect with them and influence them.
Progress will be slower, I have to be more creative but in long run, I will have bigger base to reach out.
3) Way to connect - I will find my own way to connect with them.
Maybe picking up real life ongoing case study to tell them my thoughts.
Or... Perhaps sharing news and my own observations to make my point clear.
I might even try animations such as motion graphics to reach wider audience.
Knowledge with touch of creativity
4) Approach - no leader (even fascists ones like Hitler) ever tried to change people's world view forcefully. They used their communication skills or orator skills to influence people.
So, my focus would be on communication skills and making my point come across in a manner that touches people nerve and emotions rather than trying to change them or impose anything on them.
And, rest is completely your wish.
Best generation
Politics and political influence is highly profitable
protip the folks in congress working pass the age of 80 arent doing it for the 175000 yearly salary .
You can't pay an officer to protect your interest here, that will be briberym but you can pay a politician to do so .
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Politics and political influence is highly profitable
protip the folks in congress working pass the age of 80 arent doing it for the 175000 yearly salary .
You can't pay an officer to protect your interest here, that will be briberym but you can pay a politician to do so .
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Government of Nepal blocks social media.
People burn Parliament.
Government of Türkiye jails everyone that isn't them and gives hellish inflation of money to the whole country.
People worship Erdogan more.
People burn Parliament.
Government of Türkiye jails everyone that isn't them and gives hellish inflation of money to the whole country.
People worship Erdogan more.