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Also @Logiko thank you for not immediately moving to label me as a transphobe. I’m open to understanding your point of view on dehumanization. Statements of this nature can certainly be isolating and that in and of itself can lead to people not feeling accepted but I believe acceptance comes in spite of differences.
Just know that if I don't label you here, it's because I want to keep the conversation going because there is no other way to dealt with what I see on this thread and I don't think trans people will come at the moment here. In another (and potentially safe) space, what you said would create hellfire.
I understand the statement itself can come across as offensive on a surface level, even harmful to someone lacking the mental fortitude to deal with something like that being said to them but I also don’t believe in sugar coating my stance to make it sting less. I would never attempt to stereotype or dehumanize any trans person, I simply view it in a similar light in which I would view someone with chronic depression or someone who is a high functioning autistic person. That isn’t to say I think it’s something they should overcome as it isn’t something that impairs them like chronic depression would, it’s just that their minds are at odds with their body’s physicality, similar to how a high functioning autistic person’s mind differs from the norm. They mostly just think differently and that’s completely fine. I don’t believe pointing out differences is dehumanization as most humans have differences.
There is a lot of contradiction here.
First, you need to trust me, as someone who actually deal with a mental and handicaped condition, that being called out with a mental disorder for something that is not the case
is, by definition, a dehumanization process. This absolutely needs to be understood. No matter if you still think that or not after the fact. The reason for that, and I already explained it previously,
you are denying the legitimacy in the existence of a person.
No matter what you think about trans people, this basis needs to be understood. From their point of view (and mine) it's a dehumanization. And if you wanna be accepted as a leftist, which I believe you have the potential of. A big belief needs to go:
So, I will get a little bit technical:
1 - Transidentity:
Transidentity is
not a mental disorder. Trans people function the absolute SAME way as Cis people, they are simply Trans. If you think that's wrong, verify the very basis for your belief, check and recheck where you learn that it was a mental disorder and have a critical and reasonnable look on those sources to see if they are worthy of trust or not.
2 - Gender Disphoria
You are confusing, I think, Trans identity with the real trouble that is gender disphoria. Gender disphoria is something that many trans people will struggle with. Here it what gender disphoria is:
Imagine that as a man, your entire environement identify you as a woman, they call you "she" "her", your parent gave you a girl's name, they are dressing you in dresses, educate you as a woman with all the gender roles that comes with it etc. Well, you will surely feel "disconnected" with the way people see you, right?
Gender Disphoaria is the name for this disconnection. It's called a mental disorder,
but it's actually not one, it's a REACTION to the environement that does not aknoledge the legitimacy of your true self.
This creates depression, and a lot of times suicidal ideations if something is not done soon.
3 - How society influence gender disphoria
Dealing with gender disphoria doesn't mean treating the trouble, it requieres for the environement to
change. This means allowing not only the person to identify as who they really are, but accepting them, accepting even the fact that they will seek to change their body to feel better with this disconnection etc.
As you can see, if a person is Trans,
it's because of their environement.
If society was safe for Trans people, Trans people would arrive in the world without even feeling different, they would not be assignated a sex at birth and they would not even call themselve a trans person to begin with.
This is a VERY important thing you will need to understand about leftism and structural systems of domination:
>> Homosexuality, non valid people, black, brown, asian, trans identity, non binarity etc. those are labels that are
VERY RECENT. These are categories that have been recuperated by those people in order to fight back the assignation itself.
These categories actually
do NOT exist as real separated entities from the human existence spectrum. These are categories that systems of domination (
capitalism, systemic racism, ableism, patriarchy)
have created or promoted as a tool to dominate those people.
They are now a necessity for US to fight back, but in a safe world, they will disappear. There is no reason to call a black man black if you don't have to make the difference for ex.
4 - Gender
First, you need to learn about the impact of gender role and patriarchy on intersex people. This should scratch a few fallacious beliefs about gender roles
For now, I will not say anything more about gender, I think I gave you too much informations already to diggest. But know that, if you keep a traditionnal vision of gender role, you will also alienate leftist from yourself as you will be defending patriarchy against leftist who are fighting it.
And leftism, by default,
is also the understanding that patriarchy must fall.
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Now. Maybe you don't believe what I told you here. If that's the case, I suggest you to take the time to look at human sciences and learn a bit about domination systems, especially patriarchy, capitalism and ableism.
Not a rightie but i think its because of their precious feelings that supposedly dont matter in the face of facts
While I will be nice to Z Zaber because I believe he has good intention. I'll not be with you.
You are not factual, you don't know anything about the science behind trans identity or even listen to them as actual people. Do not talk about fact when you are denying their existence. Go follow a few trans people.
Shut up, listen and learn.
For now, you are an absolute danger to those people and absolutely NOT an ally to leftism.
Mentally ill human beings are still human beings, even if they identify as cats
You don't understand dehumanization.
Dehumanization is the process of denying the LEGITIMACY of an existence. If I have ADHD but you call be a skyzophreniac, you are dehumanizing me. Not because being skyzophreniac is worse,
but because you are denying the legitimacy and very existence of the material condition of my existence.
As such, if you believe
and SAY that (for ex) trans women are men,
you are dehumanizing them and participating in their oppression.
Agree or not, it does not matter, it's about fact. Factually, you are a problem at the moment.
