Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

This sounds like those guys who really like wealth redistribution, equality and the likes but will vehemently die on the hill that communism is unnatural and can impossibly work because "humans are not built for this", "it's unrealistic", "Marx himself was sponsored by the other guy and never had to work himself" and then they usually quote Animal Farm.

It's simple logic. Meritocracy is a system based on merit and a society of competition. It's already bad, but to get merit in a task, we must start with EXACTLY the same parameters or it would be - i hope you understand this - an inequal competition. Problem: Starting with a perfect equality is impossible. As such, there will never be true meritocracy. Unless you account for millions of inequalities.

All while completely ignoring, or -even worse- being unknowledgeable about the fact there are many examples of non European societies that had rather egalitarian societies with flat hierarchies and democratic structures.

Ok. Give me toward a non-capitalist (and thus without a meritocratic belief system) society that does not live in the wood or in a form of geographic marginalized landscape, I'm waiting.

 

[Zenos7]

A racist is simply someone who uses dehumanization and their dominant position in whiteness to exploit and dominate or attack a racialized and most often subjugated person or group.

convenient (and insane)

No. It's the basic definition, the "vulgarized" definition. As such, understanding systemic racism is level 2 and understanding whiteness is level 3. This is why most centrist won't understand systemic racism and the inexistence of reverse racism while entry leftists will and why entry leftist won't understand the concept of whiteness while sociologists and anticolonial leftists will. It's a complex concept.

No, its just the definition for the term "racism". you are talking about "systemic racism" and then pretending like thats the only way to use that term. Most people are not sociologists and will just use the general definition, especially when it is about individual racism, and especially if they leave out the "systemic" context. this has got nothing to with levels, just different applications holy fuck are you pretentious and stupid.
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Yup.. That's why I'm taking my time trying to explain something with you and I do it less with someone like Hererra or Ryo. I know that you have more political potential to understand what I'm saying that them, simply because you have less biases against sociology and leftism.

and i feel i have to repeat this point once again: people disagreeing with you doesnt mean they dont understand what you are saying. sometimes you just say really stupid shit.

and if ravager or hererra tell me 2+2=4, then im going to agree with them. and if you tell me that biological sex isnt a thing and sex is socially constructed, then im going to tell you thats flat earth level science/reality denial.
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Not necessarily. It could go the other way. The world is radicalizing, the age of neoliberalism is almost over. As such, your material conditions of existence are about to change either in a good way or in a bad way (unless you are a ciswhite man in the middle-class, in which case you will feel it much later than everyone), these shift will make you radicalize. It's up to you to decide which side.

"white" is of no significance to me, because while being "white" im still not ethnically german so far righties hate my guts just as much as they would do with black or asian or whatever people.

i highly doubt these shifts you are talking about will radically change my views on the topics we have talked about in this thread lmao.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It's simple logic. Meritocracy is a system based on merit and a society of competition. It's already bad, but to get merit in a task, we must start with EXACTLY the same parameters or it would be - i hope you understand this - an inequal competition. Problem: Starting with a perfect equality is impossible. As such, there will never be true meritocracy. Unless you account for millions of inequalities.




Ok. Give me toward a non-capitalist (and thus without a meritocratic belief system) society that does not live in the wood or in a form of geographic marginalized landscape, I'm waiting.

Stop having discriminatory expectations

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"white" is of no significance to me, because while being "white" im still not ethnically german so far righties hate my guts just as much as they would do with black or asian or whatever people.


i highly doubt these shifts you are talking about will radically change my views on the topics we have talked about in this thread lmao.

They hate Portuguese as much as Muslims?

 

[Zenos7]

They hate Portuguese as much as Muslims?

dark hair, dark beard, weird sounding last names, we might as well be muslims to them.
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They hate Portuguese as much as Muslims?

ironically enough turkish/arabic people often think im one of them

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

dark hair, dark beard, weird sounding last names, we might as well be muslims to them.

Oopsie, seems like you got the shorter end of the DNA stick.
Oh I get it now. Your move to east Germany is a creative form of suicide. Basically the peacetime version of valiantly dying in battle.

 

[Zenos7]

Oopsie, seems like you got the shorter end of the DNA stick.

i have some 10ish% north african/arabian peninsula heritage even. 4% finnish isnt enugh to compensate

 

[Logiko]

convenient (and insane)

What do you want me to say? You are blissfully bathing in your own ignorance. I feel like a primary school teacher tired of kids laughing at the lessons thinking they know better..


And don't tell me I'm pretentious. It must be the 10th time that I try to explain with respect this concept.

No, its just the definition for the term "racism". you are talking about "systemic racism" and then pretending like thats the only way to use that term.

Racism IS systemic racism. ffs

Most people are not sociologists and will just use the general definition

We are not most people, we are literate people exchanging in a political thread. I consider you intelligent enough to understand that we have to use more complex political reasonning to understand a complex subject. But maybe I'm wrong...

and i feel i have to repeat this point once again: people disagreeing with you doesnt mean they dont understand what you are saying. sometimes you just say really stupid shit.

Trust me, like most of the time when I explain something I you counter it, You do not understand the subject here lmao

"white" is of no significance to me, because while being "white" im still not ethnically german so far righties hate my guts just as much as they would do with black or asian or whatever people.

i highly doubt these shifts you are talking about will radically change my views on the topics we have talked about in this thread lmao.

You will see.

Stop having discriminatory expectations

That's new

 

[Zenos7]

What do you want me to say? You are blissfully bathing in your own ignorance. I feel like a primary school teacher tired of kids laughing at the lessons thinking they know better..


And don't tell me I'm pretentious. It must be the 10th time that I try to explain with respect this concept.

and its the 10th time where i disagree, not fail to understand you.

Racism IS systemic racism. ffs

systemic racism is systemic racism.
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We are not most people, we are literate people exchanging in a political thread. I consider you intelligent enough to understand that we have to use more complex political reasonning to understand a complex subject. But maybe I'm wrong...

sure, if we want to talk about systemic racism. We dont talk about that though when we acknowledge that people from every racial category can view their own category as superior than others, you know, racism
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Trust me, like most of the time when I explain something I you counter it, You do not understand the subject here lmao

buddy your bullshit is not profound. its very easy to understand in the majority of cases. you are just wrong.
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You will see.

you failed to properly explain why that would happen 3 times with this post.

 

[Logiko]

and its the 10th time where i disagree, not fail to understand you.

In this case, again, it's not only a disagreement, it's a missunderstanding.

systemic racism is systemic racism.

Good, you are learning

sure, if we want to talk about systemic racism. We dont talk about that though when we acknowledge that people from every racial category can view their own category as superior than others, you know, racism

buddy your bullshit is not profound. its very easy to understand in the majority of cases. you are just wrong.

Lmao

you failed to properly explain why that would happen 3 times with this post.

Nah..

I explained pretty much everything.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://www.the-independent.com/new...eptock-church-musician-arrested-b2849918.html

Another religious MAGAt who has an association with the president gets popped for pedophilia?? Many, many, MANY such cases!! And now, let’s check in with our bootlicking correspondent @Ravagerblade for either a tepid response about how “trans people are more likely to be child molesters” despite providing zero evidence for this claim, or perhaps no response at all

 

[Uncle Van]

The Trump Administration are thinking of taking stake in quantum computing firms like they did with Intel and mineral companies. People are saying that it makes them communist when in reality, its Facism. A characteristic of Facism is state-owned capitalism, and has happened in the past leading up everyone's favorite war in history(WW2).

 

[Zenos7]

Good, you are learning

You seem to have missed the part where i dont disagree on systemic racism itself, just your insistence thats the only context in which "racism" can be used. . . .

 

[Logiko]

You seem to have missed the part where i dont disagree on systemic racism itself, just your insistence thats the only context in which "racism" can be used. . . .

I repeat: You learned a BASIC and VULGARIZED definition of racism, something that we teach kid so they understand. At the moment what you are doing is refusing to understand that what you learned needs a sociological update. Usually, people don't need more, but we are talking about politics and it's important for you to think beyond your education and learn to challenge it.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

i have some 10ish% north african/arabian peninsula heritage even. 4% finnish isnt enugh to compensate

Man how old is that DNA test? "North african/arabian peninsula" is so broad a category it's practically useless.
And 4% Finnish Looks like you have some of the oldest ice age hunter gatherer DNA. Do you know of any actual Finnish/Nordic/Siberian ancestor because if not, this part might be from the Iberian peninsula itself(especially if you did the test years ago or it was a cheap one).

That's new

Ok, how many kilometers is a place required to be away from le wood for you to respect its inhabitants as equal human beings.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Alabama/comments/1od6xak Man, even Alabama - fucking ALABAMA - is starting to wake up…if one of the reddest American states of all time is seeing through the cracks of Donnie’s veneer, we just might have a chance…

 

[Logiko]

Ok, how many kilometers is a place required to be away from le wood for you to respect its inhabitants as equal human beings.

More reasonning, less nonsense. It will not help you to be afraid of learning stuff.

 

[Blax Blah]

The Trump Administration are thinking of taking stake in quantum computing firms like they did with Intel and mineral companies. People are saying that it makes them communist when in reality, its Facism. A characteristic of Facism is state-owned capitalism, and has happened in the past leading up everyone's favorite war in history(WW2).

Well I would say that's state capitalism, it can be considered communist in the way Lenin meant it, which does not give workers ownership of the means of production, and every other socialist but state capitalists condemn that idea

However the thing is that state capitalism is state-run capitalism, the capitalists' role is taken on by the people who run state

It isn't just having a stake in a few companies

It would be like if the Trump administration together with the democratic party, became 100% owners of all corporations and also became landlords of all houses and land etc
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State capitalism is also just state ownership of the means of production, but fascism encourages capitalists to follow their economic interests freely without restraint, and brutally opresses workers, a country can be state capitalist and that doesn't make it fascist
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But just because it isn't fascist doesn't mean it isn't authoritarian, from a socialist perspective, capitalism is inherently authoritarian, fascism is just that inherent authoritarian-ness being encouraged by the state, and turned up to 100
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And state capitalism would be authoritarian too, Lenin and Stalin's USSR and China and other authoritarian leftist countries suck bad and don't fix the core issues, at most from what I heard you can get just some social democracy from them in the best times they have had

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I've been wanting to cut out Pork and Beef for awhile.

Might as well be now, sheesh.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1odp21f
I hate when people calls these politicians pigs.

Pigs are so much more respectable than fascists.

Pigs roll around in dirt.

Fascist politicians roll around in money they made bombing people.

 

[Zenos7]

I repeat: You learned a BASIC and VULGARIZED definition of racism, something that we teach kid so they understand. At the moment what you are doing is refusing to understand that what you learned needs a sociological update. Usually, people don't need more, but we are talking about politics and it's important for you to think beyond your education and learn to challenge it.

bro this is getting tiring.

there is no need for an update. one is the colloquial definition most people use in everyday life. the other is about a system of oppression. with the latter, you cant call people racists, that requires the general definition where its just about prejudice based on race.

i KNOW what you are talking about, i dont DISAGREE with what you are talking about, but you are WRONG to insist thats the only way of using the term racism. its extremely narrow minded, pretentious and arrogant.
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Man how old is that DNA test? "North african/arabian peninsula" is so broad a category it's practically useless.
And 4% Finnish Looks like you have some of the oldest ice age hunter gatherer DNA. Do you know of any actual Finnish/Nordic/Siberian ancestor because if not, this part might be from the Iberian peninsula itself(especially if you did the test years ago or it was a cheap one).

i think it was myheritage and yeah it was a couple years ago. i dont know the exact names of the categories, so that might be an issue here as well.

 

[Logiko]

bro this is getting tiring.

there is no need for an update. one is the colloquial definition most people use in everyday life. the other is about a system of oppression. with the latter, you cant call people racists, that requires the general definition where its just about prejudice based on race.

i KNOW what you are talking about, i dont DISAGREE with what you are talking about, but you are WRONG to insist thats the only way of using the term racism. its extremely narrow minded, pretentious and arrogant.

No. Again. You do not understand. If you did, you would agree or listen. In this case, despite what you are thinking, you are the one who is “narrow minded”. You cannot question this belief that two racisms exist, it's comfortable. But it's wrong. Racism is derived from scientific racism, a pseudoscience which was then used as a system of domination that created the racism you think you know today.