That's because you don't think systematically and thus, you do not understand what the police is, systematically. You can tell me "but I do".. the reality is that if you consider that it's a problem to generalize the police, you are not doing it. Because there are enough evidences now to believe that the police is systematically a problem. A problem that needs systemic solutions : Defund, disband.
You're acting as though the concept in general is bad, when it's just the specific way that the police are right now. Instead of trying to abolish the police force in general, try to drive out the people corrupting it.
 
You're acting as though the concept in general is bad, when it's just the specific way that the police are right now. Instead of trying to abolish the police force in general, try to drive out the people corrupting it.
The concept is indeed bad in general, not just in a specific way. The police is an authoritarian tool by nature. It will necessarily end up doing bad systematically. It's impossible to magically invent a Police that does not work for the interest of the state or the ruling class.. and thus against the interest of people.. it's literally its purpose : to protect the material interests of the ruling class.
 
The concept is indeed bad in general, not just in a specific way. The police is an authoritarian tool by nature. It will necessarily end up doing bad systematically. It's impossible to magically invent a Police that does not work for the interest of the state or the ruling class.. and thus against the interest of people.. it's literally its purpose : to protect the material interests of the ruling class.
No, the purpose of the police is to stop criminals and protect potential victims.
You're living in a fantasy world man
 
they don't need to be doctored so long as they distract people from bigger issues
The entire Epstein files bs is a distraction. They chose to give us Epstein so we won't go for the whole team.
There may be different rivalling factions among them but all of them are the enemies of the people. It's a game to them who gets to enslave&abuse the public more.
Y'all think Epstein's is the only pedo island in the world?!
 
At best a little exaggerated
Simply untrue. I have disagreement with many leftists, it doesn't make them conservatists. At best they have, like me, some biases.

You guyz are fantasizing a behavior. You see me calling a lot of people conservatist or rightist not understanding that there are actually a LOT of conservatist here compared to actual leftists. To the point some of you think as yourself as leftist when you are not.

He doesn't live in the real world
No, the purpose of the police is to stop criminals and protect potential victims.
That must be why women are scared to go to the Police to fail a complain, that must be why somehow people who fight capitalism are always having the police in front of them, that must be why racialized people are systematically endangered by the police, that must why we demand for the Police not to intervene in case of psychologic problem, that must be why most police have far right tendancies...

:Think:


Or perhaps... you might be willing to read this instead: Link to a 2020 article of the New Yorker "The invention of the Police"

Spoiler:



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To sum up : The Police is a feudal tool of repression used by capitalism and the ruling class in order to maintain its assets and racist system or imperialist agenda. The police's job is not peace, it's the order of those in power and those who own the means of productions. Being in the police means serving THEM against US.




This implies capitalist interests, but also racial ones, eugenics, patriarcals etc. It's a factual and sociological data and by now.. it should be an obvious consensus.




Now that you know this.. Why do you think the police is feared by most racialized people ?




By women ?




.. by disabled people ?




Here is the video:


And another from France, because why not?



By LGBTQI+ or pro Palestine protester?




Or any other person on the planet?




:choppawhat:


I hope... I didn't "explained" too much and "showed" you enough.. And now that you have these informations.. have the guts to tell me that this is not a systemic problem.
 
Simply untrue. I have disagreement with many leftists, it doesn't make them conservatists. At best they have, like me, some biases.

You guyz are fantasizing a behavior. You see me calling a lot of people conservatist or rightist not understanding that there are actually a LOT of conservatist here compared to actual leftists. To the point some of you think as yourself as leftist when you are not.



That must be why women are scared to go to the Police to fail a complain, that must be why somehow people who fight capitalism are always having the police in front of them, that must be why racialized people are systematically endangered by the police, that must why we demand for the Police not to intervene in case of psychologic problem, that must be why most police have far right tendancies...

:Think:


Or perhaps... you might be willing to read this instead: Link to a 2020 article of the New Yorker "The invention of the Police"

Spoiler:



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[...]



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[...]



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To sum up : The Police is a feudal tool of repression used by capitalism and the ruling class in order to maintain its assets and racist system or imperialist agenda. The police's job is not peace, it's the order of those in power and those who own the means of productions. Being in the police means serving THEM against US.




This implies capitalist interests, but also racial ones, eugenics, patriarcals etc. It's a factual and sociological data and by now.. it should be an obvious consensus.




Now that you know this.. Why do you think the police is feared by most racialized people ?




By women ?




.. by disabled people ?




Here is the video:


And another from France, because why not?



By LGBTQI+ or pro Palestine protester?




Or any other person on the planet?




:choppawhat:


I hope... I didn't "explained" too much and "showed" you enough.. And now that you have these informations.. have the guts to tell me that this is not a systemic problem.
Because judging a whole group and saying you need to get rid of said group because it happens to have a fair amount of bad people, has never led to terrible things in the past..
 
Logiko does have a point about the police, while it is a systemic issue not all police officers are like this.
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The police exists as long as States run by centralised power as we know them today will exist.
 
Me and you both know that unless someone slams a metal bat into my head, I will never be dumb enough to hate an entire group like the police.
We should replace the police as an arm of the executive with neighborhood watch-like civilian run groups(armed ofc)
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He even has it in his own quote he posts:lawsigh:
This is something he just doesn't seem to understand though. He acts like police officers are inherently evil when this is clearly not the truth.
While a lot of them are corrupt, that definitely doesn't mean all of them are. But he doesn't and won't ever understand that. Logiko simply doesn't learn anything new
 
Logiko does have a point about the police, while it is a systemic issue not all police officers are like this.
Of course but...




The police exists as long as States run by centralised power as we know them today will exist.
Perhaps... I believe we can at least make it harmless.


Me and you both know that unless someone slams a metal bat into my head, I will never be dumb enough to hate an entire group like the police.
Who said it was about hate. I have no hate in me mate. At best anger but that's not even what lie behind my words. It's simply the result of a ethical reasonning. The police systematically work for the interest of the ruling class therefore no matter how hard we reform it, the police will always go against the interest of the populations. It's simple logical reasoning. It's not a question of hatred or anger.


This is something he just doesn't seem to understand though.
Dude... I literally posted this in the post that you DIDN'T READ:




This is what "ACAB" means. > The police will always go against us. Simply because it can ONLY SYSTEMATICALLY go against us.
 
Of course but...





Perhaps... I believe we can at least make it harmless.



Who said it was about hate. I have no hate in me mate. At best anger but that's not even what lie behind my words. It's simply the result of a ethical reasonning. The police systematically work for the interest of the ruling class therefore no matter how hard we reform it, the police will always go against the interest of the populations. It's simple logical reasoning. It's not a question of hatred or anger.



Dude... I literally posted this in the post that you DIDN'T READ:

Bro you back a movement called "All Cops Are Bastards", is that not hate?
 
Bro you back a movement called "All Cops Are Bastards", is that not hate?

The police systematically work for the interest of the ruling class therefore no matter how hard we reform it, the police will always go against the interest of the populations.
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This is what "ACAB" means. > The police will always go against us. Simply because it can ONLY SYSTEMATICALLY go against us.
 
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