General & Others Get ready for the nerf of the decade guys

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#41
kaido is the strongest creature in the world, a mythical beast with the highest defense and regen in the series. yes, he can regen whatever he wants. he was healing from the scabbards cuts by the next chapter, sometimes by the next panel
No offence but it would be quite ridiculous if all what happened on the rooftop and apriori was regenerated so fastly by Kaido. Then what the point about him losing control over Onigashima be, lack of stamina? He didn't fight for so long so it has to be because of his health.
 
#42
No offence but it would be quite ridiculous if all what happened on the rooftop and apriori was regenerated so fastly by Kaido. Then what the point about him losing control over Onigashima be, lack of stamina? He didn't fight for so long so it has to be because of his health.
why does he need to waste energy holding the island up if its almost ready to fall anyway? its only natural he would take his flame clouds away when he doesnt need them anymore
 
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Tyronejenkins

#43
Oda is preparing for that hard on nerf on Kaido, making him get "tired" because of carrying onigashima which begs the question, why the hell is Kaido carrying onigashima in the first place? Did Oda just create this plot line solely to eventually nerf Kaido? Whats next, Kaido is going to stab himself while fighting Luffy? Oh wait that already happened to nerf Katakuri LMFAO! Nothing in Wano is making any sense.
Here's your logic. Luffy got shot by flampe = nothing of significance. Katakuri injuring himself to take away from flampes interference = asspull. Blame Oda for making katakuri honorable :kata:

I used to think that kaido was severely nerfed but have to revise my opinion. Kaido faced several supernovas true, but the one dealing the most damage was Luffy. Zoro was second because of the cut but his damage pales in comparison to what Luffy was able to inflict with mastery of new Haki.

Kaido holding up the island I don't view as a nerf. He simply made clouds in his dragon form and there's no indication that making clouds drains his health or stamina. Kaido is finally starting to get tired now mainly because of Luffy. I would guess he's at 90% now.

So yes Luffy is facing a slightly nerfed kaido but that will not really take away from Luffy beating him in a 1v1 and cementing his status as a yonko
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Given this it's pretty clear this is now a true 1v1 with both sides starting at approx same health and stamina.
 
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Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#44
I didn't see that Kaidou have a massive damage after all. If he have a massive damage before he can't look pretty clear and fresh like this in a short time. While Luffy get 2 K.O before and still has a bloodbath on his face as we see.



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We have just see this after Luffy attacks him with Elephant gun and Ryuo punch right ?

We can see Kaidou is in his fresh health , no any blood , no any bruise, no even a single scratch before Luffy attack him later.




Then Luffy alone will get this credit for made Dragon Kaidou bleeding a lot of blood, tremble , weakened and even can't stable floating Onigashima island as you said. We can see that Luffy punch him on left side of his face. And when he transform in to his hybrid. His bloodbath is still remains.




I think Oda would likely not portray an healthy Kaido like that expecially since we are supposed to have proof.

He is being incapable to held Onigashima firmly and since he is a stamina monster that's probably to pinpoint to his health for the most part.
 
#46
So Momo wont be straining? So after he makes the clouds he will just go chill got it.
In the first place, Kaido and Momo are two different people. One has absolute control over his DF while Momo no.
Second, like I said, there is no evidence pointing out the drain of stamina for carrying the island. You at most can assume that it does because the weaker Kaido is, the weaker are his clouds, but that's it, a mere assumption. Actually, it does not prove he spends energy on it.

of course he does. using devil fruit powers expends stamina. this is universal.
Luffy does not spend extra energy by stretching his arms or by existing because he is always rubber.
All seen logias don't spend energy for creating their elements, we never saw that or any statement about it.
Doflamingo does not spends energy for his threads, while he was barely standing, his Awakening was working perfectly and Birdcage was wasn't affected at all either.
Zoan users don't use extra energy by standing in their Zoan form or hybrid.
Etc etc.
There are only several exceptions/examples of users wasting extra energy because of their powers, Law, Caesar, Marco and someone else I think who I don't remember right now.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#47
In the first place, Kaido and Momo are two different people. One has absolute control over his DF while Momo no.
Second, like I said, there is no evidence pointing out the drain of stamina for carrying the island. You at most can assume that it does because the weaker Kaido is, the weaker are his clouds, but that's it, a mere assumption. Actually, it does not prove he spends energy on it.


Luffy does not spend extra energy by stretching his arms or by existing because he is always rubber.
All seen logias don't spend energy for creating their elements, we never saw that or any statement about it.
Doflamingo does not spends energy for his threads, while he was barely standing, his Awakening was working perfectly and Birdcage was wasn't affected at all either.
Zoan users don't use extra energy by standing in their Zoan form or hybrid.
Etc etc.
There are only several exceptions/examples of users wasting extra energy because of their powers, Law, Caesar, Marco and someone else I think who I don't remember right now.
In all honesty Kaido is a stamina monster, so I doubt he did lose enough stamina to drop the Island even if that was the case. In fact the feat was looking rather casual so perhaps only a little stamina is consumed by doing that. I think the Island is likely dropping because his health is.
 
#48
In the first place, Kaido and Momo are two different people. One has absolute control over his DF while Momo no.
Second, like I said, there is no evidence pointing out the drain of stamina for carrying the island. You at most can assume that it does because the weaker Kaido is, the weaker are his clouds, but that's it, a mere assumption. Actually, it does not prove he spends energy on it.


Luffy does not spend extra energy by stretching his arms or by existing because he is always rubber.
All seen logias don't spend energy for creating their elements, we never saw that or any statement about it.
Doflamingo does not spends energy for his threads, while he was barely standing, his Awakening was working perfectly and Birdcage was wasn't affected at all either.
Zoan users don't use extra energy by standing in their Zoan form or hybrid.
Etc etc.
There are only several exceptions/examples of users wasting extra energy because of their powers, Law, Caesar, Marco and someone else I think who I don't remember right now.
The mechanics doesn't change just like he has to create clouds. Kaido just wayy stronger. Nerf a nerf. Kaido df isn't luffy.
 
#49
The mechanics doesn't change just like he has to create clouds. Kaido just wayy stronger. Nerf a nerf. Kaido df isn't luffy.
Affirming it doesn't mean you are right since you have no proof for it.
When Kaido, or any other will say or imply that he has extra burden for energy by carrying the island, then it will be like that.
 
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