Questions & Mysteries GHM vs SBS?

[Elder Lee Hung]

I think debating Ji Aga > RBH is almost impossible. RBH is a legend recognised by two Qin 6 as a serious threat and he even pressured Yoku 1v1 recently. He has feats and portrayal.

Jyoukaryuu fought Shin equally and Jiaga is stronger than Jyoukaryuu. I don’t know why you keep ignoring this lol. The scaling is literally

Jiaga > Jyoukaryuu ~ Shin ~ Gyou’Un ~ Ranbihaku

Acting like Jyoukaryuu didn’t fight Shin equally just because Jin and Tan interfered is just wrong. Literally Jyoukaryuu ~ Shin.

Junei and Ryuuhan are what seems like GHM's left and right hand, no way they're gonna be that weak.

They’re going to be what, Rokuomi-ish level? Shibashou’s guys are well above that. These guys are closer to the Heavenly Kings than they are to Rokuomi.

Then the main event. SBS charges at GHM and is met by Gaimou. Now this makes or break the battle for Wei but I don't think SBS leaves this 1v1 uninjured but if Gaimou is meant to be a post Zhao Shin fight then he must be an absolute beast.

1. Isn’t the post-Zhao Gaimou who fights Shin supposed to find a reason to fight and thus power up from the current version of Gaimou we are discussing? Lol

2. Shibashou doesn’t have to charge Houmei immediately. Scenarios where the Shibashou himself would personally charge into the enemy HQ immediately are pretty rare, Hango is a rare type of battle. Typically someone like Shibashou would either not fight right away or he would double-team one of the subs his subordinates are facing and wear them down first. Ouki didn’t immediately charge Chousou at Bayou, they wore the enemy down first over multiple days of fighting.

3. We seem to agree Shibashou > Gaimou, and if we agree Kansaro and Gakushou would eventually beat their opponents, there’s really no argument for Wei being able to stop them.

SBS needs to be HIM to win this.

Wasn’t it you who said Shibashou appears to be that guy who would personally defend Seika from Qin and Yan indefinitely? How does that work if two Fire Dragons would beat Seika by themselves?

 

[𝓓𝓡 . 𝕋𝒆ñ𝐦𝐚]

SBS wins. If Ousen can't stop non serious SBS, there is no way GHM is going to stop his advance.
The only thing that might be an issue is Ryuudou but we have only seen that strategy being used when one side was vastly outnumbered by another.
Gaimou is another nuisance. I personally have SBS above him. Even if SBS can't quickly slay him , GKS and Kansaro will likely finish their opponent real quick and help SBS.
SBS comfortably wins.

 

[God Buggy]

If Gohoumei's vassals are overall comparable to Shibashou's, the first round is a very legit battle. I imagine current Gohoumei must have some very nasty tactical abilities, just like Gokei and Reiou had (and were feared throughout China for them). As for SBS, we absolutely need the time to frame his profile.

 

[MarineHQ]

Jyoukaryuu fought Shin equally and Jiaga is stronger than Jyoukaryuu. I don’t know why you keep ignoring this lol. The scaling is literally

Jiaga > Jyoukaryuu ~ Shin ~ Gyou’Un ~ Ranbihaku

Acting like Jyoukaryuu didn’t fight Shin equally just because Jin and Tan interfered is just wrong. Literally Jyoukaryuu ~ Shin.

So if Jyoukaryuu is equal to Shin the man that has slain Houken and Ji Aga is stronger than Jyoukaryuu then does this mean Shiryou who has slain Ji Aga after 2v1ing him and Kan Saro is > Shin > Houken?
And since Shiryou and Batei are equals this means Batei is above Shin and Houken too?
Nah. It doesn't work like that. Shin always has clashes with inferior oponnents, he's just like Luffy in that sense. Literally in the most recent chapters Futei was pressing his ass 1v1.

Actually if you look at Jyoukaryuu vs Shin again they had a 1 second clash.

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A second after that Garo joined and another second after that Ungen and Ungei appeared and send Garo on his ass. Every panel of the battle after that Shin was bring 3v1'd until the archer bros assisted him.

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Jyoukaryuu even expected his subordinate to slay Shin as shown above.

Then we go back to RBH. I have to correct myself, not two but three of the Qin 6 have stated to find him troublesome. Ouki, Tou and Kyou. This man has consistently competed on a different level to the likes of Ji Aga or Jyoukaryuu which clearly shows in their performance. That Ji Aga was snuck by Shiryou and failed to react in time was a sadly pitiful showing.

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So yeah. Ranbihaku > Ji Aga for me or at worst equals but no shot I have Ji Aga above him.

They’re going to be what, Rokuomi-ish level? Shibashou’s guys are well above that. These guys are closer to the Heavenly Kings than they are to Rokuomi.

Great. They don't need to be more than that. Rokuomi has consistently showcased that he's a nuisance to even very strong oponnents.
Gakushou literally failed to not only beat down but keep Akou locked in their battle after even 3v1ing him.

Isn’t the post-Zhao Gaimou who fights Shin supposed to find a reason to fight and thus power up from the current version of Gaimou we are discussing? Lol

Why shouldn't we use the version of Gaimou that's gonna push Shin to extreme diff, a Shin that has slain a superior oponnent to SBS in a 1v1 years ago?
We know that Gaimou's current feats won't reflect his PL, you all have this man at Top Tier level for a reason.

Shibashou doesn’t have to charge Houmei immediately. Scenarios where the Shibashou himself would personally charge into the enemy HQ immediately are pretty rare, Hango is a rare type of battle. Typically someone like Shibashou would either not fight right away or he would double-team one of the subs his subordinates are facing and wear them down first. Ouki didn’t immediately charge Chousou at Bayou, they wore the enemy down first over multiple days of fighting.

That's the only way we've seen SBS fight so far and he pretty much did the same against Ordo. He has yet to showcase any other form of warfare and he is definitely portrayed as a purely martial might general.

Ouki also stated that he doesn't particular dislike a strategic battle.

We seem to agree Shibashou > Gaimou, and if we agree Kansaro and Gakushou would eventually beat their opponents, there’s really no argument for Wei being able to stop them.

Why do you act like GHM doesn't exist ?

Wasn’t it you who said Shibashou appears to be that guy who would personally defend Seika from Qin and Yan indefinitely? How does that work if two Fire Dragons would beat Seika by themselves?

Appears to be is no confirmation lol. I also thought Ji Aga is him and will 1v1 Shin to extreme diff but here we are discussing whether he beats fucking Batei lmao.

This matchup has a Top Tier fighter on both sides but Wei has a mind that at his peak will be equal to Riboku. GHM literally learned the Ryuudou technique and was about to use it against the Duke. A technique only RBK could use as far as we know. Hara even has shown the difference in skill by making GHM use a tower to observe the formation from above while RBK can see everything clearly without a tower.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

So if Jyoukaryuu is equal to Shin the man that has slain Houken and Ji Aga is stronger than Jyoukaryuu then does this mean Shiryou who has slain Ji Aga after 2v1ing him and Kan Saro is > Shin > Houken?
And since Shiryou and Batei are equals this means Batei is above Shin and Houken too?

You are definitely the most dishonest Kingdom poster at the moment and it’s not really a contest. I don’t know why you do this, you are like the MZTS of the Kingdom section.

Instead of debating the merits of Jyoukaryuu’s feats against Shin, you just dismiss them entirely under the guise of “I guess Jyoukaryuu > Houken.” Absolutely unbelievable. Shame on me for thinking you were better than this I guess.

Great. They don't need to be more than that. Rokuomi has consistently showcased that he's a nuisance to even very strong oponnents.

By that logic, you may as well argue current Tou defeats Renpa, because Rokuomi can be a nuisance to any Heavenly King right? Who cares about strength gaps if Rokuomi can make an effective nuisance amirite?

Gakushou literally failed to not only beat down but keep Akou locked in their battle after even 3v1ing him.

Akou is tiers above Rokuomi lol. Akou is like a Heavenly King level general, Rokuomi is a nuisance to him.

But oh wait, being a nuisance to someone means you are equals, I forgot. Lol

Why shouldn't we use the version of Gaimou that's gonna push Shin to extreme diff, a Shin that has slain a superior oponnent to SBS in a 1v1 years ago?

Why shouldn’t we discuss a theoretical version of Gaimou that doesn’t exist yet? Lol

We don’t even know if Houken is superior to Shibashou yet, love how you snuck that in there lmfao. Shiryou already was more spooked by Shibashou than she was by Houken.”

That's the only way we've seen SBS fight so far and he pretty much did the same against Ordo. He has yet to showcase any other form of warfare and he is definitely portrayed as a purely martial might general.

Because this was the specific plan of this specific battle. That doesn’t mean Shibashou has to immediately charge into any given battle immediately lmfao. Even Moubu knows better and Shibashou has shown more strategic restraint than Moubu has.

And further, even if Shibashou does charge in immediately, he probably still wins this. Lol

Why do you act like GHM doesn't exist ?

In this matchup, he doesn’t. He is irrelevant. He almost got beaten by Gen’U, the fuck is he going to do against Shibashou lol. His only relevant strategy would be to send Gaimou in and hope Gaimou can slay Shibashou 1v1. Which ain’t likely but we’ll see.

Appears to be is no confirmation lol. I also thought Ji Aga is him and will 1v1 Shin to extreme diff but here we are discussing whether he beats fucking Batei lmao.

The insinuation being that Batei doesn’t push Shin to extreme diff when Batei fought the chick who killed Jiaga as an equal. Lol

 

[MarineHQ]

You are definitely the most dishonest Kingdom poster at the moment and it’s not really a contest. I don’t know why you do this, you are like the MZTS of the Kingdom section.

Instead of debating the merits of Jyoukaryuu’s feats against Shin, you just dismiss them entirely under the guise of “I guess Jyoukaryuu > Houken.” Absolutely unbelievable. Shame on me for thinking you were better than this I guess.

Lol I could say the same to you. Your Jyoukaryuu scaling is complete nonsense, putting him equal to Shin because of a one second clash. Just like I said Futei ~ Shin is also a confirmed take then. You pick and choose what fits you best.

By that logic, you may as well argue current Tou defeats Renpa, because Rokuomi can be a nuisance to any Heavenly King right? Who cares about strength gaps if Rokuomi can make an effective nuisance amirite?

No because Tou can't defeat Renpa lmao. Even if Tou has four subordinates that score a double kill with every Heavenly King Tou cannot factually slay Renpa in a 1v1 or outsmart him. Another comparison that doesn't make any sense.

Akou is tiers above Rokuomi lol. Akou is like a Heavenly King level general, Rokuomi is a nuisance to him.

But oh wait, being a nuisance to someone means you are equals, I forgot. Lol

Akou is a tier above Rokuomi, indeed, have I said different ?
Being a nuisance means you can stall an oponnent above your level. Akakin is literally a one or two shot for Bananji and literally managed to survive several encounters against him stalling him for an entire day or so. The gap between Rokuomi and Akou isn't even remotely as big.

Why shouldn’t we discuss a theoretical version of Gaimou that doesn’t exist yet? Lol

You literally admit yourself that he will factually get stronger lmao. Weren't you the one wanking Gaimou defending him against me and claiming he is ~ Renpa because Shin compared their blows ?
Are you backtracking now or is Jyoukaryuu > Renpa the new take ?

We don’t even know if Houken is superior to Shibashou yet, love how you snuck that in there lmfao. Shiryou already was more spooked by Shibashou than she was by Houken.”

Oh wow what confirmation. The man that singlehandedly entered the ranks of a Qin 6 that's martially orientated and managed to slay her is superior to the great Heaven that has yet to slay any named officer, for the time being at least. And this was a Houken that grew in strength at least twice.

Because this was the specific plan of this specific battle. That doesn’t mean Shibashou has to immediately charge into any given battle immediately lmfao. Even Moubu knows better and Shibashou has shown more strategic restraint than Moubu has.

And further, even if Shibashou does charge in immediately, he probably still wins this. Lol

Why can you make up feats for SBS and another means for him to fight when they don't exist but when I mention that Gaimou will factually get stronger in the future (with you admitting) then I'm being dishonest lmao.

Gaslighting like Iam 25

this matchup, he doesn’t. He is irrelevant. He almost got beaten by Gen’U, the fuck is he going to do against Shibashou lol. His only relevant strategy would be to send Gaimou in and hope Gaimou can slay Shibashou 1v1. Which ain’t likely but we’ll see.

Lmao. Yes. Yes. We might as well ends this here if u think GHM is irrelevant.

The greatest mind in the history of the state of Wei is irrelevant because Lee says so, aight I guess.

The insinuation being that Batei doesn’t push Shin to extreme diff when Batei fought the chick who killed Jiaga as an equal. Lol

Yes. Which means Shiryou ~ Batei >~ Jyoukaryuu ~ Shin ~ Gyou’Un ~ Gaimou > Houken

Keep it up L'ee

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Your Jyoukaryuu scaling is complete nonsense, putting him equal to Shin because of a one second clash.

I didn’t put Jyoukaryuu equal to Shin, I put him relative to Gyou’Un. More dishonesty because you always have to try to go out of your way to take what I’m saying so far out of context that discussion is impossible. You are the definition of a bad faith debater. This is Yonko fan levels of dishonesty.

Even if Tou has four subordinates that score a double kill with every Heavenly King Tou cannot factually slay Renpa in a 1v1 or outsmart him.

The conversation between Renpa vs Tou is more debatable than the conversation between Shibashou and Gaimou. Ouki called Tou his equal, Ouki called Gaimou a newborn tittysuckling babe.

Weren't you the one wanking Gaimou defending him against me and claiming he is ~ Renpa because Shin compared their blows ?
Are you backtracking now or is Jyoukaryuu > Renpa the new take ?

Gaimou is relative to Renpa currently. Doesn’t mean he can beat Shibashou lol. Shibashou is a tier above every Zhao warrior we’ve ever seen bar maybe Houken who is all over the place scaling wise.

The man that singlehandedly entered the ranks of a Qin 6 that's martially orientated and managed to slay her is superior to the great Heaven that has yet to slay any named officer, for the time being at least. And this was a Houken that grew in strength at least twice.

Houken in his strongest form was slain by Shin. End of discussion. Unless you think current Shin beats the entire Kingdom verse 1v1, Houken vs any top tier warrior is absolutely debateable.

Why can you make up feats for SBS and another means for him to fight when they don't exist but when I mention that Gaimou will factually get stronger in the future (with you admitting) then I'm being dishonest lmao.

Shibashou didn’t even move until Shin was out of the picture. You want an example of Shibashou not moving right away? There it is. Shibashou waited until the time to strike was right and that’s when he struck.

The greatest mind in the history of the state of Wei is irrelevant because Lee says so, aight I guess.

Call me when Houmei beats Gen’U in a headon clash and then we can discuss Shibashou. Frankly I have Man’U wiping Houmei off the face of the map in a head on battle and I have Shibashou >~ Man’U.

 

[MarineHQ]

didn’t put Jyoukaryuu equal to Shin, I put him relative to Gyou’Un. More dishonesty because you always have to try to go out of your way to take what I’m saying so far out of context that discussion is impossible. You are the definition of a bad faith debater. This is Yonko fan levels of dishonesty.

Which is complete nonsense as I said. Gyou'Un rapes Jyoukaryuu and Ji Aga 2v1, don't ever put Jyoukaryuu's bum ass anywhere near a legend like Gyou'Un. Jyoukaryuu had a 1 sec clash with Shin just like Futei and then went on to 3v1 him with his strongest subordinates, that's what factually happened.

You literally make up ways for SBS to fight that he has never shown on panel and go on to call me dishonest, you're literally becoming worse than Durableguy and Pringles.

The conversation between Renpa vs Tou is more debatable than the conversation between Shibashou and Gaimou. Ouki called Tou his equal, Ouki called Gaimou a newborn tittysuckling babe.

And Shin said Gaimou's blow is EXACTLY like Renpa’s who was equal to Ouki. I also never once argued that Gaimou beats SBS but that he doesn't let him leave without solid injuries while GHM takes care of the rest using his formations and since Seika has not a single High Tier strategist there is absolutely nothing they can do. Their strategy was literally devised by Riboku because of that.

Gaimou is relative to Renpa currently. Doesn’t mean he can beat Shibashou lol. Shibashou is a tier above every Zhao warrior we’ve ever seen bar maybe Houken who is all over the place scaling wise.

Now tell me how will SBS look like after a deaths match with Renpa ?

Shibashou didn’t even move until Shin was out of the picture. You want an example of Shibashou not moving right away? There it is. Shibashou waited until the time to strike was right and that’s when he struck.

What's this supposed to prove?
You still made up shit and pretended like it's cannon. Stick to your own standards first.

Call me when Houmei beats Gen’U in a headon clash and then we can discuss Shibashou. Frankly I have Man’U wiping Houmei off the face of the map in a head on battle and I have Shibashou >~ Man’U.

Call me when another strategic general in China can use Top Tier formations that only RBK can use like 14 year old GHM has done.

He makes Shouheikun his bitch.

 

[RayanOO]

With Gaimou Wei is winning this

Gaimou will bother SBS enough to halt to way and GHM superior tactics will fuck over Seika army bit by bit.

But without Gaimou no chance to win, no one can stop SBS and his army

 

[God Buggy]

Call me when another strategic general in China can use Top Tier formations that only RBK can use like 14 year old GHM has done.

He makes Shouheikun his bitch.

Leaving aside this Shouheikun slander...

Ouki, who could act as a fierce General when he saw the perfect opening, didn't attack Chousou's army at Bayou head on before cooking up a plan that threw his formations in disarray. So that they had no way of stopping his main army breaking through, this was stated.

This man Gohoumei is a Great General tactician. Can you imagine, especially prime Gohoumei, what he is going to be capable of?

The large, large majority of commanders ain't gonna get or risk getting wiped the f out by this guy? Lmfao.

 

[MarineHQ]

Leaving aside this Shouheikun slander...

Ouki, who could act as a fierce General when he saw the perfect opening, didn't attack Chousou's army at Bayou head on before cooking up a plan that threw his formations in disarray. So that they had no way of stopping his main army breaking through, this was stated.

This man Gohoumei is a Great General tactician. Can you imagine, especially prime Gohoumei, what he is going to be capable of?

The large, large majority of commanders ain't gonna get or risk getting wiped the f out by this guy? Lmfao.

He became the supreme commander of his state and an extremely young age which shows his talent. Then he states himself that he's ought to surpass Rei'Ou a former legend that by portrayal was equal to the Qin 6 and no Fire Dragon took over his role even after they were released, hell, RBH became a subordinate even though GHM was the reason Rei'Ou died.

 

[Pirao]

Gyou'Un rapes Jyoukaryuu and Ji Aga 2v1

Well I wouldn't go that far, but Gyou'un whoops both Jiaga and Jokearyu 1vs1 for sure. And so does Gakuhaku BTW.

Jiaga's bum ass being stronger than Shin

 

[MarineHQ]

Tou vs GHM is definitely teased by Hara here.

Well I wouldn't go that far, but Gyou'un whoops both Jiaga and Jokearyu 1vs1 for sure. And so does Gakuhaku BTW.

Jiaga's bum ass being stronger than Shin

If Jyoukaryuu ~ Shin because of a one second clash than Gakuhakukou must be able to low diff Houken lmao.

 

[Rumble]

What happened ?

Had a bit too much fun.



It's okay, daddy's home.

 

[Xione]

Wei CLEAR with Gaimou.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Wei would have win if GHM have better vassals. Those two doesn't seem to be able to beat Rokuomi let alone Heavenly Kings level Seika generals.

One of them will be Shibashou's hypetool while the other one gets defeated by either Kansaro or Gakushou. Ranbihaku would be a major problem though. Don't think Jiaga can beat a man who proves trouble to Ouki and Kyou. But he can get back up from Kansaro while Gakushou take care of one of GHM's vassals while Shiba one shots the other.

Even with Gaimou, I still think Shibashou wins extreme diff in a duel and by the time the duel is over, Kansaro or Gakushou will come over after defeating their opponent and helps Shiba. And GHM will retreat like a bitch he is.

Seika wins.