Questions & Mysteries God Valley: Whitebeard or Uranus?

[Herrera95]

Following my thread about Uranus erasing Lulusia Kingdom of existence we should also go back to the topic of what happened to God Valley.

At first the only logical explanation was that Whitebeard himself sinked the island. It was said he had the power to do so (or the power to destroy the world which is even bigger of a feat). Maybe he awakened and couldn't control it? Maybe not? Who knows?

But that was at a time we wasn't aware of the powers of ancient weapons. Now we know they are essentially made to destroy entire fucking islands. So the question is, could have being Uranus responsible for God Valley to disappear?

But wait. How is that even a question if we just learned Vegapunk only now recreated motherflame that was responsible for Lulusia Kingdom incident?

Funny huh? More than 20 years later, around the time I guess Vegapunk joined WG. Maybe Imu still had a charge of the weapon to use. And used to take out the guy who was willing to dethrone him as king of the world. Rocks D. Xebec.

But wait. Then why he used now against Lulusia Kingdom instead of one of the yonko territories? Well first of all, Loda. Second of all the theory of making Lulusia Kingdom an example because it went against the WG doesn't fit since the order was to pretend it never existed.

Imu already had his eyes on Vivi, Luffy and Teach. Well Vivi was at Reverie so she would be pretty much captured and maybe killed if wasn't for the incompetent of CP0. So he should have choose either Hachinosu (without being sure if Teach was there or not I guess) or Wano. Wano should definitely being the choice since he probably already knew Kaido, Big Mom and Luffy was there. Besides that Wano is pretty much the biggest country against WG and the perfect spot for an aliance HQ against them.

Then why not choosing them? Well maybe because Wano supplies WG with weapons? And he was still willing to make use of Yonko system. But the last one is a weak argument. As Kaido said the abolishing of Shichibukai system and the new SSG(Seraphims) means they no longer needs pirates and would eventually hunt Yonkos too.

Aside of all that there was no mention of Sea level rise after God Valley incident (hope I'm not wrong here).

So my best bet would be the Whitebeard sink the island using his awakening.

 

[trav]

Talking ill about the dead Chadbeard is a bannable offense.
It was Whitebeard alright.

 

[soheilhazrat]

Garp the motherfucking fist

 

[MonsterKaido]

Kaido

 

[Reborn]

Following my thread about Uranus erasing Lulusia Kingdom of existence we should also go back to the topic of what happened to God Valley.

At first the only logical explanation was that Whitebeard himself sinked the island. It was said he had the power to do so (or the power to destroy the world which is even bigger of a feat). Maybe he awakened and couldn't control it? Maybe not? Who knows?

But that was at a time we wasn't aware of the powers of ancient weapons. Now we know they are essentially made to destroy entire fucking islands. So the question is, could have being Uranus responsible for God Valley to disappear?

But wait. How is that even a question if we just learned Vegapunk only now recreated motherflame that was responsible for Lulusia Kingdom incident?

Funny huh? More than 20 years later, around the time I guess Vegapunk joined WG. Maybe Imu still had a charge of the weapon to use. And used to take out the guy who was willing to dethrone him as king of the world. Rocks D. Xebec.

But wait. Then why he used now against Lulusia Kingdom instead of one of the yonko territories? Well first of all, Loda. Second of all the theory of making Lulusia Kingdom an example because it went against the WG doesn't fit since the order was to pretend it never existed.

Imu already had his eyes on Vivi, Luffy and Teach. Well Vivi was at Reverie so she would be pretty much captured and maybe killed if wasn't for the incompetent of CP0. So he should have choose either Hachinosu (without being sure if Teach was there or not I guess) or Wano. Wano should definitely being the choice since he probably already knew Kaido, Big Mom and Luffy was there. Besides that Wano is pretty much the biggest country against WG and the perfect spot for an aliance HQ against them.

Then why not choosing them? Well maybe because Wano supplies WG with weapons? And he was still willing to make use of Yonko system. But the last one is a weak argument. As Kaido said the abolishing of Shichibukai system and the new SSG(Seraphims) means they no longer needs pirates and would eventually hunt Yonkos too.

Aside of all that there was no mention of Sea level rise after God Valley incident (hope I'm not wrong here).

So my best bet would be the Whitebeard sink the island using his awakening.

First, WG doesn't use weapons against Yonkous because to maintain Balance of power.


Yonkou system exist because of WG desire and convenience. It works in their favour.



Second, yes it's possible God valley went down because of Gura and that's why the fruit became infamous to sink the world.

 

[Herrera95]

First, WG doesn't use weapons against Yonkous because to maintain Balance of power.


Yonkou system exist because of WG desire and convenience. It works in their favour.



Second, yes it's possible God valley went down because of Gura and that's why the fruit became infamous to sink the world.

WG doesn't use the ancient weapons against Yonko because they couldn't use ancient weapons at all or they were using Yonkos in their benefit or both. But as I said the moment Shichibukai system no longer exists so is Yonko system. They are no longer necessary as Kaido stated and will be hunted by SSG (that couldn't capture a single Warlord but whatever).

 

[Borasey79]

I still prefer the theory according to which God Valley is just Thriller Bark - not sunk, just "missing" from its place (and altered enough to be now unrecognizable as such).

 

[SkySanji]

God Valley is Thriller Bark, both are islands from the West Blue and I don't think it's a coincidence that Moria had multiple corpses of the Rocks Pirates.

 

[Herrera95]

I still prefer the theory according to which God Valley is just Thriller Bark - not sunk, just "missing" from its place (and altered enough to be now unrecognizable as such).

God Valley is Thriller Bark, both are islands from the West Blue and I don't think it's a coincidence that Moria had multiple corpses of the Rocks Pirates.

To be honest I guess this is the first time I ever heard. That doesn't make sense because Moriah was a Shichibukai and just like Kuma was easily able to find him that means marines are also aware of its location and Sengoku and knew the whole story would know that was God Valley.

 

[D. Plant]

All of them (Garp Haki Nuke, Xebec, Whitebeard, Saturn's Nukes if he was involved)

I still prefer the theory according to which God Valley is just Thriller Bark - not sunk, just "missing" from its place (and altered enough to be now unrecognizable as such).

God Valley is Thriller Bark, both are islands from the West Blue and I don't think it's a coincidence that Moria had multiple corpses of the Rocks Pirates.

Timeline wise doesn't match how Brook stuck in Triller Bark for 50 years and God Valley Incident happened 38 years ago.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Probably Whitebeard broke the island into multiple pieces. One piece became Thriller Bark and another is still out there likely as shanks’ home base in the new world.

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All of them (Garp Haki Nuke, Xebec, Whitebeard, Saturn's Nukes if he was involved)



Timeline wise doesn't match how Brook stuck in Triller Bark for 50 years and God Valley Incident happened 38 years ago.

Just to clarify something here, Brook was not stuck in Thriller Bark, Brook was stuck in the Florian Triangle which were told has had weird things happening in it for decades well before thriller bark made the seas. Brook was on thriller bark just 7 years before the current time

 

[Foul Legacy]

Do we even know if WB had his fruit during God's Valley?

 

[D. Plant]

Just to clarify something here, Brook was not stuck in Thriller Bark, Brook was stuck in the Florian Triangle which were told has had weird things happening in it for decades well before thriller bark made the seas. Brook was on thriller bark just 7 years before the current time

It makes total sense now

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

It's possible, but there were so many top guns with island-busting capabilities there, we can't really determine what happened until it actually appears on a flashback (or Oda says on a SBS, something like that). Gura Gura WB certainly had the power to destroy an island, but this would leave signs (e.g.: crumbled rocks, even if it's totally underwater someone could just dive and see its remains). It definitely can't be the Mother Flame though, as Vegapunk created it very recently (supposing that it was like the Mother Flame, I doubt it was the original Uranus too, as the Ancient Weapons are supposed to be hidden/lost).

I particularly believe that Xebec was the previous user of the Yami Yami no Mi, and, upon defeat, he just used his DF to its max to swallow the entire island and himself (kinda like a black hole, collapsing all the mass upon itself)... that's why God Valley, according to Sengoku, vanished without a trace.

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God Valley is Thriller Bark, both are islands from the West Blue and I don't think it's a coincidence that Moria had multiple corpses of the Rocks Pirates.

I doubt it. Moria probably started his pirate career much after the God Valley Incident (he was just 12 years old at the time) and possibly just acquired Thriller Bark after his defeat against Kaido (15 or so years later)... someone would've already claimed the island if it was still there (specially when it was full of natural resources and even the WG desired it). As he's from West Blue, he could just have recovered the bodies of the Rocks Pirates underwater (if they sinked with the island or fell into the sea after it vanished). Most of them could even have died somewhere else after God Valley, as happened with Captain John.

God Valley also seems to be different than Thriller Bark. God Valley was a rocky, mountainous place, while Thriller Bark is a plain, forested place.

 

[SkySanji]

Timeline wise doesn't match how Brook stuck in Triller Bark for 50 years and God Valley Incident happened 38 years ago.

Source for this? Brook wasn't stuck in Thriller Bark for fifty years, he was stuck in the Florian Triangle for fifty years, and Thriller Bark was created by Moria after he lost to Kaido, which was around twenty five years ago, so it's literally impossible for him to have been stuck on it for fifty years.

 

[D. Plant]

Source for this? Brook wasn't stuck in Thriller Bark for fifty years, he was stuck in the Florian Triangle for fifty years, and Thriller Bark was created by Moria after he lost to Kaido, which was around twenty five years ago, so it's literally impossible for him to have been stuck on it for fifty years.

The zombie lied to me

 

[Dark-Abel]

Kaido picked it up with his new devil fruit and dropped it somewhere else

 

[Wanderer]

There was like 10 characters capable to destroy island. It could be anyone.

 

[Herrera95]

Do we even know if WB had his fruit during God's Valley?

Good catch. I guess we are not sure about it either. But I'd say he probably had.

 

[Foul Legacy]

Good catch. I guess we are not sure about it either. But I'd say he probably had.

My guess is he took it in god valley only with Kaidou / Kuma fruit. Gura must be there as well. As there were 6 chests if I'm not wrong.

And pretty sure WB didn't carried WSM title in God's valley , he took it 6-10 years down the line at his prime of 39-41 age is my guess.