Chapter Discussion Goda is dead
- Thread starter Monkey D Theories
- Start date
There's a reason people are dropping the series in droves and flocking to newer and better stuff. Wano was the straw hat that broke the camel's back. And even then, a lot of people are solely holding out until this arc ends so that they can get a sense of conclusion, before ditching the series entirely.
I understand the criticisms, but imo when guys are talking about dropping the series or talking about how post Ts is super fucked up I'm just thinking it's a bunch of hot air.
Dropping a series means losing interest pretty fast, entitely stop reading weekly and then never look back at it again, cause of max disinterest.
I just don't buy it, cause that's what I've done with Fairy Tail, Black clover and Boku no Hero.
But I'm more than just sure that all those guys won't do the same with one piece.
Next week Oda could drop G5 and awakened form Kaido and you be like "ah guess I drop it after that".
Zunisha and Momo talking, Kaido perhaps getting a flashback, that legendary DF awakening getting revealed, post Wano info drop
-> "I guess I'm dropping the series in 3months".
Movie Red drops and you see those guys being the first ones getting some cinema tickets, cause they are those mad men, that spent half their lives on a forum during "super fucked up horrible worst piece of fiction"- post ts for YEARS.
Nah I'm not buying it. You can call those BM scenes shit and explain why you don't like them, but folks in general need to stop acting they will ever go to full length and drop it. One Shanks or Dragon chapter and everyone out of the fandom suddenly knows how to do a backflip. It is what it is
Dropping a series means losing interest pretty fast, entitely stop reading weekly and then never look back at it again, cause of max disinterest.
I just don't buy it, cause that's what I've done with Fairy Tail, Black clover and Boku no Hero.
But I'm more than just sure that all those guys won't do the same with one piece.
Next week Oda could drop G5 and awakened form Kaido and you be like "ah guess I drop it after that".
Zunisha and Momo talking, Kaido perhaps getting a flashback, that legendary DF awakening getting revealed, post Wano info drop
-> "I guess I'm dropping the series in 3months".
Movie Red drops and you see those guys being the first ones getting some cinema tickets, cause they are those mad men, that spent half their lives on a forum during "super fucked up horrible worst piece of fiction"- post ts for YEARS.
Nah I'm not buying it. You can call those BM scenes shit and explain why you don't like them, but folks in general need to stop acting they will ever go to full length and drop it. One Shanks or Dragon chapter and everyone out of the fandom suddenly knows how to do a backflip. It is what it is
It has been very tempting to drop it. The reason I am not dropping it is because one piece still resonates with a part of my younger self but it is getting more and more difficult each day that passes because it has become such a moneygrabbing franchise that it does not have a soul anymore.
I am a naruto fan but i do not follow boruto. Boruto is so far off naruto it is not even funny. I do not care if they are the same chars.
Post automatically merged:
I am a naruto fan but i do not follow boruto. Boruto is so far off naruto it is not even funny. I do not care if they are the same chars.
This fight sucked ass
--BM not using adv coc when there was perfect opportunity against law is beyond me
--Also creating a fire homie is trash , her lightning attacks are more fast in comparison
This is the closest I have come to dropping one piece , there have been lots of bad chapters but never did I feel quiting it
That's how bad this chapter is , I simply want to forget this chapter exist
--BM not using adv coc when there was perfect opportunity against law is beyond me
--Also creating a fire homie is trash , her lightning attacks are more fast in comparison
Post automatically merged:
This is the closest I have come to dropping one piece , there have been lots of bad chapters but never did I feel quiting it
That's how bad this chapter is , I simply want to forget this chapter exist
Until now, I really don't understand why people call him Goda. He is a good mangaka but not top tier one. The saddest thing is one piece doesn't feel like it used to. Post time skip have been a mess. Same formula for every arc.
I know it's a shonen and this story is for teenagers but he should know that the series have been going on for over 20 years. His fans are getting older not younger. The ones that always support this manga are older fans not younger ones.
I don't think teenagers rn would be interested to watch this long series. I thought after time skip, this series would be more mature but I'm absolutely wrong lol.
He bring all the hype for yonko and the villains, but then he nerf em so that the protagonists would stand a chance.
No fucking tension in the arc, everything went smoothly for the alliance. Inconsistent writing and power system. The crazy thing is he rather wasting panels on adding side characters and their side story, acting like we care about em. He keeps creating more mysterious plot rather than solving them. No wonder the sales keep declining.
I know it's a shonen and this story is for teenagers but he should know that the series have been going on for over 20 years. His fans are getting older not younger. The ones that always support this manga are older fans not younger ones.
I don't think teenagers rn would be interested to watch this long series. I thought after time skip, this series would be more mature but I'm absolutely wrong lol.
He bring all the hype for yonko and the villains, but then he nerf em so that the protagonists would stand a chance.
No fucking tension in the arc, everything went smoothly for the alliance. Inconsistent writing and power system. The crazy thing is he rather wasting panels on adding side characters and their side story, acting like we care about em. He keeps creating more mysterious plot rather than solving them. No wonder the sales keep declining.
Last edited:
Until now, I really don't understand why people calling him Goda. He is a good mangaka but not top tier one. The saddest thing is one piece doesn't feel like it used to. Post time skip have been a mess. Same formula for every arc.
I know it's a shonen and this story is for teenagers but he should know that the series have been going on for over 20 years. His fans are getting older not younger. The ones that always support this manga are older fans not younger ones.
I don't think teenagers rn would be interested to watch this long series. I thought after time skip, this series would be more mature but I'm absolutely wrong lol.
He bring all the hype for yonko and the villains, but then he nerf em so that the protagonists would stand a chance.
No fucking tension in the arc, everything went smoothly for the alliance. Inconsistent writing and power system. The crazy thing is he rather wasting panels on adding side characters and their side story, acting like we care about em. He keeps creating more mysterious plot rather than solving them. No wonder the sales keep declining.
I know it's a shonen and this story is for teenagers but he should know that the series have been going on for over 20 years. His fans are getting older not younger. The ones that always support this manga are older fans not younger ones.
I don't think teenagers rn would be interested to watch this long series. I thought after time skip, this series would be more mature but I'm absolutely wrong lol.
He bring all the hype for yonko and the villains, but then he nerf em so that the protagonists would stand a chance.
No fucking tension in the arc, everything went smoothly for the alliance. Inconsistent writing and power system. The crazy thing is he rather wasting panels on adding side characters and their side story, acting like we care about em. He keeps creating more mysterious plot rather than solving them. No wonder the sales keep declining.
I still like reading OP, mostly because I've been a fan for so long, and I'm also grateful that this work exists in the first place, but quality wise it just can't compete with the modern shonen works anymore. It's too long and too repetitive, not to mention that the main flaws are emphasized more and more the higher the stakes get (same arc structure/dramatic buildup all the time, no consequences for the protagonists etc.).
Last edited:
Naruto had a lot of great characters, villains, and interesting concepts but the execution was lackluster. I think Kishi's biggest mistake was to kill Itachi too early. He was possibly my favorite character of the series and I zoned out when he died. His fight against Sasuke should have been saved for the very last arc. Likable characters like Lee, Neji, and Hinata should have had mode screentime and ironically they had more development in a spin off manga including Tenten who is the unexpected star. The Kage Summit and final conflict were really bad because all of the better villains were dead and Naruto and Sasuke have already accomplished their life goals (being acknowledged by the village, defeating his brother).
Oda is at least saving major confrontations with the Admirals, Akainu, Gorosei, the Blackbeard pirates, and Mihawk for the final war. Remember there is no story if there are not antagonists left. I do agree Oda has made a lot of questionable decisions in the TS. It absolutely sucks to be a Tashigi fan and its worse considering she is absolutely brilliant and likable in the Party spin off manga.
Stampede was a mess and fanservice galore for the sake of it when you think about it. In contrast, No Way Home uses fanservice far more effectively by making it work into the story. For instance, you see Mihawk but he doesn't really do anything but in the last Spidey film they bring these characters but they all have something interesting to say and contribute. I actually liked Gold, and Z as films. Yeah its a shame that characters like Smoker, and Tashigi have been pushed away from Wano where they should have been there in favor of characters like Kinemon and Momo who have too much screentime in TS while being not like by the fans.
I think adding the rookies in Shabondy is what condemned the quality of the story and even back then I asked myself how Oda was gonna handle that many characters in part 2. Overall, the time skip has loads of characters that really don't contribute much to the story like the pirate alliance, the dwarves, Kinemon, Momonosuke, and the Scabbards. Robin should have been part of the WCI rescue team and would have brought actual development to her character but she has been pushed aside in favor of character like Carrot who brings no emotional stake in that arc. Robin's line about Sanji being Luffy's wing would have been far more epic if she was in Whole Cake Island.
Say what you want about Morj but his raid failing meme would have actually brought stakes, and tension to this arc.
Oda is at least saving major confrontations with the Admirals, Akainu, Gorosei, the Blackbeard pirates, and Mihawk for the final war. Remember there is no story if there are not antagonists left. I do agree Oda has made a lot of questionable decisions in the TS. It absolutely sucks to be a Tashigi fan and its worse considering she is absolutely brilliant and likable in the Party spin off manga.
Stampede was a mess and fanservice galore for the sake of it when you think about it. In contrast, No Way Home uses fanservice far more effectively by making it work into the story. For instance, you see Mihawk but he doesn't really do anything but in the last Spidey film they bring these characters but they all have something interesting to say and contribute. I actually liked Gold, and Z as films. Yeah its a shame that characters like Smoker, and Tashigi have been pushed away from Wano where they should have been there in favor of characters like Kinemon and Momo who have too much screentime in TS while being not like by the fans.
I think adding the rookies in Shabondy is what condemned the quality of the story and even back then I asked myself how Oda was gonna handle that many characters in part 2. Overall, the time skip has loads of characters that really don't contribute much to the story like the pirate alliance, the dwarves, Kinemon, Momonosuke, and the Scabbards. Robin should have been part of the WCI rescue team and would have brought actual development to her character but she has been pushed aside in favor of character like Carrot who brings no emotional stake in that arc. Robin's line about Sanji being Luffy's wing would have been far more epic if she was in Whole Cake Island.
Say what you want about Morj but his raid failing meme would have actually brought stakes, and tension to this arc.
I never got the mocking of Morj.
He actually only hoped for Oda to resort to good writing and elevating the stakes.
It's like there is a group of people in a restaurant (all ordering steaks), one says that he hopes the steak will be served perfectly medium (how it should be), the steak then gets served way too well-done and all the other members mock the one guy, bc he dared to hope for the best version of the steak.
He actually only hoped for Oda to resort to good writing and elevating the stakes.
It's like there is a group of people in a restaurant (all ordering steaks), one says that he hopes the steak will be served perfectly medium (how it should be), the steak then gets served way too well-done and all the other members mock the one guy, bc he dared to hope for the best version of the steak.
I think its the fact he made so many videos on it.
Ngl, I was speculating crazy stuff like Blackbeard revealing himself to be the son of Xebec coming to Wano with Weebil and allying himself with Linlin, and Kaido to revive the Rocks pirates to make the raid fail and establishing himself as the ultimate threat.
I am a Tashigi fan and I was already imagining that her and Smoker would come to rescue the Straw Hats. Kiri and I were imagining the possibility of the marine captain teaching Chopper, Usopp, and Nami Haki. We even talked about how Tashigi was a perfect mentor figure for the Tanuki by being a perfect combination of Hilikuk's kindness, and Kuhera strict personality. I speculated that Tom was still alive and a Vegapunk assistant and that he would come to Wano and help Franky.
Ngl, I was speculating crazy stuff like Blackbeard revealing himself to be the son of Xebec coming to Wano with Weebil and allying himself with Linlin, and Kaido to revive the Rocks pirates to make the raid fail and establishing himself as the ultimate threat.
I am a Tashigi fan and I was already imagining that her and Smoker would come to rescue the Straw Hats. Kiri and I were imagining the possibility of the marine captain teaching Chopper, Usopp, and Nami Haki. We even talked about how Tashigi was a perfect mentor figure for the Tanuki by being a perfect combination of Hilikuk's kindness, and Kuhera strict personality. I speculated that Tom was still alive and a Vegapunk assistant and that he would come to Wano and help Franky.
I've been taking classes in management and quality improvement. Basically companies need to be constantly improving in order to keep up with changing markets. I think the same holds for manga.
You can't just do the same thing for 20 years and expect it to still hold up. Why?
This is in stark contrast to One piece where you spend the last 3 years in the wano arc.
Overall, Oda should have done what Tolkein and JK Rowling did by making the story mature with the original audience. OP didn't need to become a full blown seinen, but it should have become a more mature shonen.
You can't just do the same thing for 20 years and expect it to still hold up. Why?
- your original fanbase are now adults and don't want to watch a show geared to young teenagers
- young manga readers have different tastes
This is in stark contrast to One piece where you spend the last 3 years in the wano arc.
Overall, Oda should have done what Tolkein and JK Rowling did by making the story mature with the original audience. OP didn't need to become a full blown seinen, but it should have become a more mature shonen.
H
I hardly disagree about OP problem being arc length, repetitive formulas or fanbase age growth.
Why? Dragon Ball main series(not Super) still hits as always had. Naruto Classic and most of Shippuden too. One Piece Pre-timeskip and good part of Post-Timeskip too.
If you want to compare other animes/manga please do not include Black Clover. I like it but is not a good standard, Black Clover is not in a good place.
Arc length by itself is not a problem if you have enough material for that arc. But the feeling you are dragging without a reason focusing too much in irrelevant characters, fodders and useless plot is the problem.
Repetitive formula is also not the problem. Alabasta and Dressrosa are pretty much the same(Alabasta had more build up I guess) and the only problem with Dressrosa is the pacing. Both good/great arc.
Thing is both at Alabasta and Dressrosa(if I'm correct) Oda has no issues to kill fodders at least. At Wano "full war" against Yonkos that "killed" many people during their lives no fodder is being killed. Then Oda finally killed some, to fire not even in battles...
Back at Fishmen Island Luffy used his CoC to knock 50k fodders and he gave 0 attention to anyone but Hody. At Wano he is having hard time against fodders, he is using G4 against a ship full of fodders, he isn't knocking anyone with his CoC, Jinbei and Sanji are helping Luffy to beat fodders, Queen and King are on Luffy's way to rooftop so why Luffy had trouble with them if he is aiming to fight someone way stronger like Kaido?
To me those are the real issues with One Piece today.
Why? Dragon Ball main series(not Super) still hits as always had. Naruto Classic and most of Shippuden too. One Piece Pre-timeskip and good part of Post-Timeskip too.
If you want to compare other animes/manga please do not include Black Clover. I like it but is not a good standard, Black Clover is not in a good place.
Arc length by itself is not a problem if you have enough material for that arc. But the feeling you are dragging without a reason focusing too much in irrelevant characters, fodders and useless plot is the problem.
Repetitive formula is also not the problem. Alabasta and Dressrosa are pretty much the same(Alabasta had more build up I guess) and the only problem with Dressrosa is the pacing. Both good/great arc.
Thing is both at Alabasta and Dressrosa(if I'm correct) Oda has no issues to kill fodders at least. At Wano "full war" against Yonkos that "killed" many people during their lives no fodder is being killed. Then Oda finally killed some, to fire not even in battles...
Back at Fishmen Island Luffy used his CoC to knock 50k fodders and he gave 0 attention to anyone but Hody. At Wano he is having hard time against fodders, he is using G4 against a ship full of fodders, he isn't knocking anyone with his CoC, Jinbei and Sanji are helping Luffy to beat fodders, Queen and King are on Luffy's way to rooftop so why Luffy had trouble with them if he is aiming to fight someone way stronger like Kaido?
To me those are the real issues with One Piece today.