Character Discussion Gorosei
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Good, but that isn't really the point here.
It's like saying "when I was young I could run 100m in 10 seconds". Point Is what are you doing now.
If you insist:
I replayed to you, stating that Erbaf clearly portrayed Loki and Harald as stronger. At which you replayed:
Except you did, and you are.
Because you decided to not believed the manga when It said Xebec was stronger than Roger/WB, then so you denyed Harald, etc.
Again: fine as narrative preference go. On the merit, outdated imho.
It's like saying "when I was young I could run 100m in 10 seconds". Point Is what are you doing now.
If you insist:
I replayed to you, stating that Erbaf clearly portrayed Loki and Harald as stronger. At which you replayed:
Except you did, and you are.
Because you decided to not believed the manga when It said Xebec was stronger than Roger/WB, then so you denyed Harald, etc.
Again: fine as narrative preference go. On the merit, outdated imho.
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Though I don't agree with the last statement. He was def restricted as he was the only one revived out of his prime shape.
Though technically even Tobi-Hashi were restricted. But Hiruzen's chakra pool would've likely been the most restricted and physical strength was also that of an old man's instead of his prime. The war's outcome very likely would've changed with a prime Hiruzen Edo Tensei.
Though technically even Tobi-Hashi were restricted. But Hiruzen's chakra pool would've likely been the most restricted and physical strength was also that of an old man's instead of his prime. The war's outcome very likely would've changed with a prime Hiruzen Edo Tensei.
Yeah I was trolling, but I agree with this pretty much
Anyway, back to the topic at hand, now that Mariejois is on fire, would the Gorosei directly act again in the story? It would be nice to give them a few more showings before the literal end of the manga. It would also be nice to see them in direct 1v1's as opposed to being treated like Kiajus the MCs are running away from.
Imo, I can't really imagine a force that would currently be stronger then the five of them that would need Shamrock back, so I think they're sitting it out, maybe planning something for the next day, while Shamrock teams up with either Kizaru/Aramaki or Sakazuki. Oda would probably not want him to work with Issho.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand, now that Mariejois is on fire, would the Gorosei directly act again in the story? It would be nice to give them a few more showings before the literal end of the manga. It would also be nice to see them in direct 1v1's as opposed to being treated like Kiajus the MCs are running away from.
Imo, I can't really imagine a force that would currently be stronger then the five of them that would need Shamrock back, so I think they're sitting it out, maybe planning something for the next day, while Shamrock teams up with either Kizaru/Aramaki or Sakazuki. Oda would probably not want him to work with Issho.
I've explained this multiple times now, you guys are doing the same corny argument against me that people have used in the past, which is bias against a character based on their intro.
You're now pivoting your argument to "but but but Xione we're talking about now!!! what you did before don't matter!!! You changed!!! You now do those things!!!"... it's like the point that i'm making just went over your head.
If you want to assert that claim on me, go ahead. I'm just letting you know opposite of what you're stating has been used in the past and the very claim you're making has also been used...
- So we have me making the statement, there is not pirate to exist stronger than Newgate or Roger. Which includes the overgrown lizard of elbaf.
- Then I tell you, that my opinions are not based on leaving out 1150+ chapters that existed prior to the flashback, but by including them as well, as the story exists in the context of the entire manga, not a single flashback. Which means what happened in the flashback doesn't counter anything established by those two prior to the flashback aka nothing in the flashback contradicted what existed prior to it related to Roger-Newgate
So yea... that's literally me saying "I saw the flashback and nothing there made me change my mind regarding this topic"... because there's information about Roger-Newgate that exists outside of the flashback as well.
- Manga never made that claim. Manga instead hyped up Rocks, hyped up his ambition, told us Roger-Garp teamed up against him... told us how formidable he was through the mouth of an ex-fleet admiral at that... then proceeded to in the same chapter hype up Roger-Newgate as the two greatest to do it in piracy. Hence I said, it's the equivelent of reading chapter 432, and coming out thinking Dragon isn't above the Yonko.
- Yea if you're disagreeing on the pov of the series, that's fine I don't think there's anybody here who agrees on all things. But claiming I have a bias against new characters thus being the reason why im not ranking Loki and Harald as high as y'all is just basically defamation at that point.
I don't rate Xebec low in the time he was alive, as I already said Garp-Roger-Xebec were the top dogs of the time he was alive (with shoutout to the unknown entity of Kong). Had Xebec been allowed to live as long as Roger, he would've stayed stronger than Newgate, but he died in his youth.
You're now pivoting your argument to "but but but Xione we're talking about now!!! what you did before don't matter!!! You changed!!! You now do those things!!!"... it's like the point that i'm making just went over your head.
If you want to assert that claim on me, go ahead. I'm just letting you know opposite of what you're stating has been used in the past and the very claim you're making has also been used...
- So we have me making the statement, there is not pirate to exist stronger than Newgate or Roger. Which includes the overgrown lizard of elbaf.
- Then I tell you, that my opinions are not based on leaving out 1150+ chapters that existed prior to the flashback, but by including them as well, as the story exists in the context of the entire manga, not a single flashback. Which means what happened in the flashback doesn't counter anything established by those two prior to the flashback aka nothing in the flashback contradicted what existed prior to it related to Roger-Newgate
So yea... that's literally me saying "I saw the flashback and nothing there made me change my mind regarding this topic"... because there's information about Roger-Newgate that exists outside of the flashback as well.
- Manga never made that claim. Manga instead hyped up Rocks, hyped up his ambition, told us Roger-Garp teamed up against him... told us how formidable he was through the mouth of an ex-fleet admiral at that... then proceeded to in the same chapter hype up Roger-Newgate as the two greatest to do it in piracy. Hence I said, it's the equivelent of reading chapter 432, and coming out thinking Dragon isn't above the Yonko.
- Yea if you're disagreeing on the pov of the series, that's fine I don't think there's anybody here who agrees on all things. But claiming I have a bias against new characters thus being the reason why im not ranking Loki and Harald as high as y'all is just basically defamation at that point.
I don't rate Xebec low in the time he was alive, as I already said Garp-Roger-Xebec were the top dogs of the time he was alive (with shoutout to the unknown entity of Kong). Had Xebec been allowed to live as long as Roger, he would've stayed stronger than Newgate, but he died in his youth.
Yea I don't think the Gorosei are ever gonna be shown fighting again until the final war. Same with Kong, who also resides there and would be fighting before the Gorosei do.
You also have the CP0 there as well. I still can't see it being more than just the Revolutionaries who were already causing shit there and with Laffitte assisting them to do crazier shit. Shamrock as the commander is now incharge of bringing order to the CD's cities, Gorosei ain't there for that job. Remember it was Garling who was handling the CD's affairs with St.Charlos stuff instead of the Gorosei. So would make sense to want the Commander of the HKs when the Holy City is on flame.
I don't think the Admirals are involved in this situation. Issho likely isn't there, Borsalino, don't know if he already made it back or not. That leaves Aramaki? But he was last shown capturing Weevil and dealing with that ordeal. There's also the shit with Cross Guild going on, so Saka could be busy dealing with that as well, so on.
You also have the CP0 there as well. I still can't see it being more than just the Revolutionaries who were already causing shit there and with Laffitte assisting them to do crazier shit. Shamrock as the commander is now incharge of bringing order to the CD's cities, Gorosei ain't there for that job. Remember it was Garling who was handling the CD's affairs with St.Charlos stuff instead of the Gorosei. So would make sense to want the Commander of the HKs when the Holy City is on flame.
I don't think the Admirals are involved in this situation. Issho likely isn't there, Borsalino, don't know if he already made it back or not. That leaves Aramaki? But he was last shown capturing Weevil and dealing with that ordeal. There's also the shit with Cross Guild going on, so Saka could be busy dealing with that as well, so on.
I am sorry they were. Though again doesn't change what Is happening now.
Pretty much.
When I pointed out what Erbaf was doing, you retorted to Roger and WB being established as the strongest and 1150 chapters backing that up.
Which I wouldn't call bias: I would call preference. You prefer that narrarive and so you discard all the - very clear - proofs of Xebec, Loki and Harald being above them showed in Erbaf.
Manga literally did, alongside canon sources.
That's why I am talking about preference: you had an explicit statement you refuse to admit because you don't like the implication. You prefer the implication of past statements. So you try every possible interpretation to "neutralize" what is, in fact, clear imho.
Which Is fine, anyway.
Don't take It personally. You are taking It as bad thing when in fact everyone has preferences.
Not really. Xebec died at 50~, he was as strong as he could be.
He was surely older than Roger, who was already ~40.
Pretty much.
When I pointed out what Erbaf was doing, you retorted to Roger and WB being established as the strongest and 1150 chapters backing that up.
Which I wouldn't call bias: I would call preference. You prefer that narrarive and so you discard all the - very clear - proofs of Xebec, Loki and Harald being above them showed in Erbaf.
Manga literally did, alongside canon sources.
That's why I am talking about preference: you had an explicit statement you refuse to admit because you don't like the implication. You prefer the implication of past statements. So you try every possible interpretation to "neutralize" what is, in fact, clear imho.
Which Is fine, anyway.
Don't take It personally. You are taking It as bad thing when in fact everyone has preferences.
Not really. Xebec died at 50~, he was as strong as he could be.
He was surely older than Roger, who was already ~40.
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Yeah, the timing of it clearly implies Teach. Laffite and him have a plan at the start of the arc, and we find out about his childhood and ambition in this arc. It would also be a nice time to confirm that the Yami was the other fruit part of Rocks's plan.
I think maybe the trump card is him taking a hostage or something? Rocks used the royals that the WG doesn't care too much about, but maybe Teach took either random CDs, which the government might not care *too* much about, but maybe enough to make it a situation. Or maybe he found the treasure of Mariejois that Doffy knew about, and that's why Shamrock was needed urgently.
I think maybe the trump card is him taking a hostage or something? Rocks used the royals that the WG doesn't care too much about, but maybe Teach took either random CDs, which the government might not care *too* much about, but maybe enough to make it a situation. Or maybe he found the treasure of Mariejois that Doffy knew about, and that's why Shamrock was needed urgently.