General & Others Haki vs sword vs science
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Zoro just has a stronger version of haki he already had because of enma. Take away enma from Zoro or Oden and they automatically become weaker because they can’t unleash as much haki as they could without the blade
Luffy learned new haki
Zoro and Sanji were given power ups that strengthen abilities they already had. They didn’t learn new abilities or haki they just strengthened powers they already had
It’s pretty obvious that Sanji’s self hate and doubt is tied to his germa blood man. Once he fully accepts himself for everything he is he’ll likely finally unlock conquerors
Luffy’s haki upgrades whether is future observation, external/internal armament, or infusing conquerors have nothing at all to do with his devil fruit or anything else besides directly advancing his haki
In Zoro and Sanji’s cases it’s extremely in your face that their respective power ups are directly tied to enma and germa
Luffy learned new haki
Zoro and Sanji were given power ups that strengthen abilities they already had. They didn’t learn new abilities or haki they just strengthened powers they already had
It’s pretty obvious that Sanji’s self hate and doubt is tied to his germa blood man. Once he fully accepts himself for everything he is he’ll likely finally unlock conquerors
Luffy’s haki upgrades whether is future observation, external/internal armament, or infusing conquerors have nothing at all to do with his devil fruit or anything else besides directly advancing his haki
In Zoro and Sanji’s cases it’s extremely in your face that their respective power ups are directly tied to enma and germa
Enma let’s the user unleash more haki then they would be able to normally on their own
“Gotta unleash this enma a bit more”
“I don’t have much time…. If this drags on the sword will suck the life from me”
Zoro has king of hell mode because of enma lol
Zoro deadass unlocked conqueror through using enma
He claims to want to be king of hell directly because of enma is also known as the king of hell
“Gotta unleash this enma a bit more”
“I don’t have much time…. If this drags on the sword will suck the life from me”
Zoro has king of hell mode because of enma lol
Zoro deadass unlocked conqueror through using enma
He claims to want to be king of hell directly because of enma is also known as the king of hell
Enma let’s the user unleash more haki then they would be able to normally on their own
“Gotta unleash this enma a bit more”
“I don’t have much time…. If this drags on the sword will suck the life from me”
Zoro has king of hell mode because of enma lol
Zoro deadass unlocked conqueror through using enma
He claims to want to be king of hell directly because of enma is also known as the king of hell
“Gotta unleash this enma a bit more”
“I don’t have much time…. If this drags on the sword will suck the life from me”
Zoro has king of hell mode because of enma lol
Zoro deadass unlocked conqueror through using enma
He claims to want to be king of hell directly because of enma is also known as the king of hell
Can you show me Luffy or Scopper mentioning Enma here? Just screenshot it and circle where they mention Enma.
Sanji will likely unlock conquerors when fully embracing his germa powers. Germa science wouldn’t be actively giving him conquerors
Im baffled at your double standards.
Sure, because you conveniently isolated only Luffy’s Haki upgrades. His biggest Wano power-up was Gear 5, the awakening of his Devil Fruit.
So pick a comparison.
If we are comparing Haki development, Zoro learned CoC coating, Sanji did not receive a Haki upgrade, and Germa is irrelevant.
If we are comparing their overall power-ups, then Luffy’s Devil Fruit, Zoro’s Enma and Sanji’s exoskeleton all belong in the discussion.
You keep using the first standard for Luffy and the second for Zoro and Sanji.
Zoro is a swordsman. Every offensive Haki application he develops will be expressed through his swords. Luffy applies Haki through DF body: his punches and fruit-based forms because that is how he fights.
What would satisfy you here? Zoro throwing Enma away and punching King so the Haki can count by itself?
Enma forces Zoro to release more of his own Haki and control the output. That is an improvement in output and control, regardless of what triggered it.
You are treating Luffy improving his Haki through training as Haki development, then treating Zoro improving his Haki through mastering Enma as nothing more than a sword upgrade…
Then Sanji did not develop his Haki through Germa. His body became tougher and he combined that toughness with Armament he already possessed.
SAnjis conflict with Germa is real, but the claim that accepting his Germa blood will unlock CoC is still your theory.
Gaban told him to become a king. Nothing in that scene established Germa as the source or trigger.
It seems obvious to you because you started with the conclusion that Luffy represents Haki, Zoro represents swords and Sanji represents science, then sorted the evidence around it.
The data does not give you three routes.
Luffy uses Haki through brawling and his Devil Fruit. Zoro uses Haki through swordsmanship and his blades. Sanji uses Haki through martial arts, Jambe and his modified body.
Luffy is simply the most advanced Haki user among them. That does not place his Haki outside his fighting style while everyone else is defined by theirs.
Sure, because you conveniently isolated only Luffy’s Haki upgrades. His biggest Wano power-up was Gear 5, the awakening of his Devil Fruit.
So pick a comparison.
If we are comparing Haki development, Zoro learned CoC coating, Sanji did not receive a Haki upgrade, and Germa is irrelevant.
If we are comparing their overall power-ups, then Luffy’s Devil Fruit, Zoro’s Enma and Sanji’s exoskeleton all belong in the discussion.
You keep using the first standard for Luffy and the second for Zoro and Sanji.
Zoro is a swordsman. Every offensive Haki application he develops will be expressed through his swords. Luffy applies Haki through DF body: his punches and fruit-based forms because that is how he fights.
What would satisfy you here? Zoro throwing Enma away and punching King so the Haki can count by itself?
Enma forces Zoro to release more of his own Haki and control the output. That is an improvement in output and control, regardless of what triggered it.
You are treating Luffy improving his Haki through training as Haki development, then treating Zoro improving his Haki through mastering Enma as nothing more than a sword upgrade…
Then Sanji did not develop his Haki through Germa. His body became tougher and he combined that toughness with Armament he already possessed.
SAnjis conflict with Germa is real, but the claim that accepting his Germa blood will unlock CoC is still your theory.
Gaban told him to become a king. Nothing in that scene established Germa as the source or trigger.
It seems obvious to you because you started with the conclusion that Luffy represents Haki, Zoro represents swords and Sanji represents science, then sorted the evidence around it.
The data does not give you three routes.
Luffy uses Haki through brawling and his Devil Fruit. Zoro uses Haki through swordsmanship and his blades. Sanji uses Haki through martial arts, Jambe and his modified body.
Luffy is simply the most advanced Haki user among them. That does not place his Haki outside his fighting style while everyone else is defined by theirs.
The thread is about their haki upgrades man. Luffy’s devil fruit upgrades having no ties to his haki power ups
Take the enma and germa power ups away they wouldn’t get their haki power ups
Yes haki can strengthen your haki in fights again not a soul said otherwise
Zoro unlocked conquerors haki because of enma. Take a king of hell enma and Zoro would have not unlocked king of hell mode a claimed he wanted to become king of hell against king because he would have been dead
Unless you somehow convinced yourself that Zoro would have unlocked conquerors and beat king even without the blade
Take the enma and germa power ups away they wouldn’t get their haki power ups
1. Nice So Enma can't can't give people Conquerors. Let's check that off that you admitted that ✔️.
Now on to business number 2. Can you please tell me what Rayleigh is saying in this scene about when you haki bloom.
Now on to business number 2. Can you please tell me what Rayleigh is saying in this scene about when you haki bloom.
Zoro unlocked conquerors haki because of enma. Take a king of hell enma and Zoro would have not unlocked king of hell mode a claimed he wanted to become king of hell against king because he would have been dead
Unless you somehow convinced yourself that Zoro would have unlocked conquerors and beat king even without the blade
The thread is about their haki upgrades man. Luffy’s devil fruit upgrades having no ties to his haki power ups
Take the enma and germa power ups away they wouldn’t get their haki power ups
Yes haki can strengthen your haki in fights again not a soul said otherwise
Zoro unlocked conquerors haki because of enma. Take a king of hell enma and Zoro would have not unlocked king of hell mode a claimed he wanted to become king of hell against king because he would have been dead
Unless you somehow convinced yourself that Zoro would have unlocked conquerors and beat king even without the blade
Take the enma and germa power ups away they wouldn’t get their haki power ups
Yes haki can strengthen your haki in fights again not a soul said otherwise
Zoro unlocked conquerors haki because of enma. Take a king of hell enma and Zoro would have not unlocked king of hell mode a claimed he wanted to become king of hell against king because he would have been dead
Unless you somehow convinced yourself that Zoro would have unlocked conquerors and beat king even without the blade
Ok now you admit you get Haki blooms in fights in extreme situation nice check that off the list ☑️
So you just admitted that Being in hard fights extreme situation make you unlock but earlier you said Enma is the reason. Ok then let's test that Logic.
Did Zoro unlock CoC in this scene
I never said you said otherwise anything my guy. I just asked you what did Rayleigh say about Haki bloom.
Ok now you admit you get Haki blooms in fights in extreme situation nice check that off the list ☑️
So you just admitted that Being in hard fights extreme situation make you unlock but earlier you said Enma is the reason. Ok then let's test that Logic.
Did Zoro unlock CoC in this scene
Ok now you admit you get Haki blooms in fights in extreme situation nice check that off the list ☑️
So you just admitted that Being in hard fights extreme situation make you unlock but earlier you said Enma is the reason. Ok then let's test that Logic.
Did Zoro unlock CoC in this scene
Nice, but who are you responding too? I asked a specific question. Did Zoro unlock CoC in this scene
You asked if he unlocked it when he first got it and I responded with when he actually unlocked it
Zoro unlocked conquerors the same time he unlocked king of hell mode. Remove king of hell enma and there’s no king of hell Zoro
So I will take this has a No. Since you won't answer directly.
So let's look how things stand so far.
1. You said Enma doesn't give people CoC.
2. You said the scene where Enma uses its Power didn't give him CoC
3. You admitted Haki blooms happen when people are in extreme situation in fights.
So now that we know from YOU that when Enma sucks Zoro haki it doesn't give him COC and that in fights that are extreme situation against strong opponents is where your haki blooms.
This panel here where Enma is sucking Zoro Haki without his permission and it did not unlock CoC haki ACCORDING TO YOU in this scene means its hindering Zoro while he fighting a YC1 right?
So let's look how things stand so far.
1. You said Enma doesn't give people CoC.
2. You said the scene where Enma uses its Power didn't give him CoC
3. You admitted Haki blooms happen when people are in extreme situation in fights.
So now that we know from YOU that when Enma sucks Zoro haki it doesn't give him COC and that in fights that are extreme situation against strong opponents is where your haki blooms.
This panel here where Enma is sucking Zoro Haki without his permission and it did not unlock CoC haki ACCORDING TO YOU in this scene means its hindering Zoro while he fighting a YC1 right?
Sanji is some mixture of Martial arts, flames, haki, science, and Power of Love.
With Sanji destroying the raid suit, he rejected Judge's science, and so I don't expect anymore science upgrades.
Martial arts is probably done, haven't seen any new types of kicks in a long while.
Haki upgrade is happening now.
Flames and Power of Love are likely related and will be next.
With Sanji destroying the raid suit, he rejected Judge's science, and so I don't expect anymore science upgrades.
Martial arts is probably done, haven't seen any new types of kicks in a long while.
Haki upgrade is happening now.
Flames and Power of Love are likely related and will be next.
So I will take this has a No. Since you won't answer directly.
So let's look how things stand so far.
1. You said Enma doesn't give people CoC.
2. You said the scene where Enma uses its Power didn't give him CoC
3. You admitted Haki blooms happen when people are in extreme situation in fights.
So now that we know from YOU that when Enma sucks Zoro haki it doesn't give him COC and that in fights that are extreme situation against strong opponents is where your haki blooms.
This panel here where Enma is sucking Zoro Haki without his permission and it did not unlock CoC haki ACCORDING TO YOU in this scene means its hindering Zoro while he fighting a YC1 right?
So let's look how things stand so far.
1. You said Enma doesn't give people CoC.
2. You said the scene where Enma uses its Power didn't give him CoC
3. You admitted Haki blooms happen when people are in extreme situation in fights.
So now that we know from YOU that when Enma sucks Zoro haki it doesn't give him COC and that in fights that are extreme situation against strong opponents is where your haki blooms.
This panel here where Enma is sucking Zoro Haki without his permission and it did not unlock CoC haki ACCORDING TO YOU in this scene means its hindering Zoro while he fighting a YC1 right?
You already posted it. Can you answer my question. When Enma was sucking Zoro haki without his permission outside isn't when he Awakened CoC ACCORDING YOU. So Zoro was in where Sword wa sucking his life away while at the same time fighting a 1st commander. So Zoro was in the extreme situation which is what you agreed Rayleigh said. So since it shows Enma hindering him. So I showed you multiple times Enma used its power and Zoro didn't get nothing. So Enma didn't give Zoro anything. He bent Enma to his will and got CoC.
Take away enma and he wouldn’t have unlocked conquerors then
The main difference is that instead of trying to stabilize his haki and stop enma he instead let enma exude as much of his haki as it wanted
That’s the whole point of king of hell
That’s why he called himself the king of hell in reference of enma
The main difference is that instead of trying to stabilize his haki and stop enma he instead let enma exude as much of his haki as it wanted
That’s the whole point of king of hell
That’s why he called himself the king of hell in reference of enma
Take away enma and he wouldn’t have unlocked conquerors then
The main difference is that instead of trying to stabilize his haki and stop enma he instead let enma exude as much of his haki as it wanted
That’s the whole point of king of hell
That’s why he called himself the king of hell in reference of enma
The main difference is that instead of trying to stabilize his haki and stop enma he instead let enma exude as much of his haki as it wanted
That’s the whole point of king of hell
That’s why he called himself the king of hell in reference of enma
2. Yes he stop trying to stabilize it and let his haki out because he was in extreme situation. You already admitted extreme situation is when you get Haki blooms not giving Enma all your haki. Lol bro you already admitted this what are you arguing.
1. You already admitted Enma doesn't give people CoC. So the extreme situation gave him it. I agree you can say Enma added to the extreme situation cause it was trying to kill suck out his haki similar to how Katakuri sister made the situation worse for Luffy by attack luffy in secret at same time a 1st commander is fighting him. Zoro tamed Enma and made it his bitch and won the fight. But thats like saying King gave Zoro CoC and Katakuri and his sister gave Luffy FS. Thats dumb.
Sanji is going to get it cause his situation is he injured and he on a timelimit where people can due so he has to do it. Just like Zoro had to tame Enma.
You can remove Enma and Zoro would still do it. Let's say Chopper was going to die if he didn't do it in time. The situation gets extreme again even if he had Shisui. He would be worried about Chopper and fighting 1st commander.
Sanji is going to get it cause his situation is he injured and he on a timelimit where people can due so he has to do it. Just like Zoro had to tame Enma.
You can remove Enma and Zoro would still do it. Let's say Chopper was going to die if he didn't do it in time. The situation gets extreme again even if he had Shisui. He would be worried about Chopper and fighting 1st commander.