Break Week Haki

[Cruxroux]

I know the title is very vague but I had this Theory once on Haki but dropped it due to lack of evidence.

If you can add more to it , Please do.
Read it for the sake of fun , This probably isn't true*** (I Simply had nothing to do sitting in metro so opened my archive of One piece theories.)

I repeat do not take this too seriously lol. It's either way a break week.
@Blazing Lion , I opened this from my archive when I read your thread of Haki and DF powers. I wanted to reply there but it would be too long.

WHAT IS HAKI?
Ambition , Aspiration , Drive , Vigor , Domineering Spirit, Will (to Conquer/Rule)

Above is basically the alternative which has so far been used for Haki.

What is the definition?
Haki is a mysterious power that allows individuals to harness their own spiritual energy for various superhuman feats. As this energy manifests from willpower, it is theoretically open to all of the world's living creatures; the vast majority, however, are either ignorant of how to unlock it or unable to achieve mastery. Haki users are common in the New World, rare in Paradise, and virtually non-existent in the Four Blues.

Now I want you to focus on ,
" it is theoritically open to everyone "
" the vast majority, however, are either ignorant of how to unlock it ot unable to achieve mastery"

Now let me Differentiate between Haki Mastery and Haki strength. These are two different things.

Let's say "A" is Haki strength of a person.
- Haki mastery is a Multiple like " × X".
- Devil Fruit Mastery is another multiple like " × Y".
- Swordsmanship mastery is another Multiple like " × Z".

Now stronger your , X , Y , Z (Haki Mastery , Devil fruit , Swordsmanship) becomes Stronger the Haki gets.


Note - I'm differentiating Haki Mastery with Haki. Because everyone in the one piece world has Haki but not everyone is strong enough to harness it's power , and if harness it , not everyone is capable of reaching the Top of it.

This is going to be very confusing but try to keep up with me.

First , I'm going use a few Character to explain it.
Characters - Ace , Crocodile , Aokiji , Akainu , Enel , Law , Greenbull.

Ace
- Now I'll directly use the Novel Canon material for this.
- Shanks and Benn talked about Ace Haki was so strong that it stopped Snowing. And similar thing Happened when He went Drum Island.

Spoiler

- Above sentence had led to a Lot of Theories of Haki controlling weather. But here to give a different perspective on it.
- Logia Awakening is unknown to us , but Given all the Logia fruits , strong ones are capable of Effecting it's environment. So stronger than Haki gets , More you start to effect the environment around you.
- it's like a Shanks enters your ship and everyone starts falling off , That's Haki mastery. In case of Ace it was Devil fruit mastery.
- Over Here Ace " Haki strength " got strong and which effected his Devil fruit Mastery or Vice versa , his Devil fruit Mastery increased/got strong which made his Haki (raw Untrained) stronger.

Crocodile
- I know in Alabasta it was cleared that it was due to rain powder that , it wasn't raining in Alabasta , and hence the Drought.
- But even after years , Drought carried on with legit no recovery at all.
- I'm Biased to believe What happened in Alabasta was due to Crocodile Presence there , as a Logia he was effecting the Environment around him.
- He had mastered his fruit to such a degree that Simultaneously his Haki grew as well. " Haki Strength " to be exact not Haki mastery.

Aokiji and Akainu
- I'm using them together because of what happened in Punk Hazard. Their Attacks and Haki was so strong that it changed the entire Topography of an island. One is having an Ice age and another is having a Volcanic eruptions.
- Aokiji against Doflamingo never used an attack , He simply let his Devil mastery do it's job , Like CoC , Haki burst , he immediately Freezed a surrounding area. Freezed Doflamingo and and Doflamingo got out , probably because even if it was a haki blast from yonkou he would survive it. But those who touched that ice wave were freezed at that spot.
- Akainu magma reacting on it's own in recent Vegapunk speech. His mouth is fuming Lava. Again another stuff like Haki blast when people are angry or something.
- These two have haki mastery to a level , where Haki strength can span an Island Size too if there Haki mastery was good enough. But it's more like there Devil mastery is what peaked due to which they have strong Haki.

Law
- we Know we have instance of him cutting through Haki. Which are
- Law vs Vergo
- Law vs Doflamingo
- Law vs Doctor Q
- All the above sequence are used as Evidence as Law haki being stronger than Above three , But hear me out. Doflamingo , Vergo , Doctor Q Haki mastery is still more than Law. What law surpassed them in is Devil fruit Mastery. His Devil fruit Mastery > Their Haki mastery in Armanent Haki.
- we all wondered How out of blue Law was able to use Haki like yonkou. But in reality , his Haki mastery is still shit.
- What he's good at is Devil fruit which helped increase his "Haki Strength" not Haki Mastery.
If he were Clad Himself with Hardening and Ask zoro to cut him , Zoro would indeed cut him. Because that's where zoro Power lies in Swordsmanship and Haki mastery.
- Law Don't have CoC , He wasn't shown to use CoO , Neither CoA was at play. He simply let out his " Haki strength " .
- If you Expect Law to make Haki attacks on the level of Yonkou , I'm sorry you're looking for Disappointment.

Greenbull
- Now we all saw Aramaki as he walks creates a Forest behind him.
- We all again though no other logia does that.
- But then we have instance of Shanks and Luffy unknowingly using CoC blasts or power being so strong that they get noticed Immediately.
- Aramaki was doing something very similar here , His haki strength is huge , not Haki mastery but Devil fruit Mastery instead.

Notable Examples from rest of Logia users
- Monet had a room full of snow and her manipulation
- Caeser was capable of controlling gas/air around him
- I have no clue about smoker lol. How does smoke even effect environment? By pollution? Send him somewhere and he will ruin the nature of a country lmao.

How is " Haki-Strength " connected to " Devil fruit Mastery "?
- First , the very first Encounter of Luffy and Blackbeard was in Jaya Arc , Mocktown.
- Luffy Devil fruit mastery - No gears.
- Second time they met in Impel Down
Luffy Devil fruit Mastery - Gear 2 and Gear 3.
- Any clown will say that Luffy has great improvement in Devil fruit Mastery.
- but you see this weird Dialouge from "Blackbeard" in Impel down to luffy.
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Spoiler

- " Your Haki is Stronger than I last Saw you ".
- Funnily enough Luffy never used Haki consciously, and only used it two times in pre timeskip before this moment.
- How does luffy haki grow stronger in those two instance in a Branch of Haki which cannot be trained to get stronger which is CoC , Which people are gonna come at me for saying it.
- Luffy Devil mastery Raised his "Haki strength"

- Not only that , Now replace everytime where I have used " Haki Strength " as " Will ".
- Stronger the will you have , Stronger your Devil fruit , Swordsmanship , Haki mastery increases.
- devil fruit are a mystery and it is said a Devil Lives inside a devil fruit. So every Devil fruit user is like Having a tug of war with The devil will's inside.
- The stronger your will gets stronger your powers gets , more new attacks get unlocked.
- At some point you unlock your Awakening when you have a Will strong enough. Or should I say Haki Strength.
- Lower tier Fruit might be awakened easily whereas OP fruits might need a lot of will to be unlocked.
- Whitebeard Devil fruit Mastery > Blackbeard Devil fruit Mastery. Which is why Whitebeard.
- Haki a.k.a will exist in every person in one piece world. And it grows stronger as well but simply goes Untilized or untrained.
- Haki masters Focussed on Haki Application and Advanced Applications.

How Haki strength and Swordsmanship is Connected?
- Through "Ryou".
- Ryou basic Defination was " Flow " of Haki. People misinterpreted it as Flow of CoA.
- Rather I would wanna suggest , Ryou / Flow is basically flow of Swordsman " Will " . On what he wants to cut or not.
- Koushirou already told us , Swordsman who can cut everything is a dangerous swordsman , But a swordsman who cut only what he wants to is the Real swordsman.
- " Cut only what he wants to " , this doing what or cutting what the swordsman want. Is precisely what you call their will.
- Enma Sucked out more Ryou , and Cut more , hence doing opposite to what a swordsman actually should be.
- Enma has a will of it's own , like Kozaburo said himself. There are no cursed swords.
- Zoro overwrite Enma will with his will (Haki strength). Hence mastering enma and King of Hell style.
- Ever thought why Conqueror Coating came innately to zoro? Right after unlocking Conqueror haki?
- Because Ryou is concept used by swordsman for so long that even Koushirou taught zoro about it. Which is again the flow.
- Zoro unlocked Conqueror and then gave everything to enma , he focussed all the " Haki Strength " will to enma and CoC followed along side CoA too.
- And as I said your "Haki Strength" works Coherently with Swordsmanship , Devil fruit mastery.
- Stronger the " Haki strength " , Stronger the swordsmanship gets too.
- and like devil fruits , after a certain point , you reach a stage of Awakening where you have all the strength to overwrite whatever the sword will wants.
- Hence Giving you Black Blade. The Indestructible Blade. I'll Explain later why Roger / Shanks / Rayleigh doesn't unlock it.

How " Haki Strength " is Connected to "Haki Mastery" ?
- Haki Mastery is basically , Application of Haki which people Trains in.
- it could be Armanent , Observation , and their Advanced Application.
- Conqueror cannot be trained which is what i precisely mean by "Haki Strength" , it can't be trained , it grows with person will power. During battle Haki blooms happens.
- Conqueror Coating can be trained and Most probably same goes with Future Sight killing.

- Characters like Shanks , Roger , Garp Focussed on Haki mastery. More used they got to using more and more application of Haki mastery , Better their "Haki Strength" got.

- Why Roger and Shanks didn't Unlock Black blade?
- (This is going to be controversial take coming from a Swordman fan).
- Because their Focus is Haki mastery not Swordsmanship. They do use swordsmanship but most of their focus is on Haki mastery. Which is why they never got to a point to unlock Black blade. Their " Haki Strength " was never that level.
- Again I'm telling you all this Haki Strength is coherent with Haki Mastery and Swordsmanship. If Let's say Mihawk has a Swordsmanship Level at 100 , then his " Haki Strength" is also at level 100.
- If Shanks Haki Mastery is 90 , then his haki strength is 90 too. , if his Haki mastery was 100 , So would be his Haki strength , which resonate to his Swordsmanship more he trains and fights with it , which would have reached 100 eventually and hence giving him a black blade.
- Shanks Focussed more on Application along side Swordsmanship.
- Mihawk focussed more on swordsmanship , Along side Haki masterty.
- Mihawk might not have as much as Haki Application as Shanks have or Keep spamming CoC blasts but it doesn't rule out the fact he doesn't have it. He simply focussed more on Swordsmanship than Haki mastery. Given his Haki strength being so strong , It resonates to his Haki mastery if he tries.
- If a strong person gets a weak character fruit , let's say Mr. - , Bomb fruit. Imagine that fruit in hands of a top tier. And I'm not even saying he trained with that fruit. But he just ate it. Would his attacks be stronger than the weak pathetic fodder or not? The very same attack. It of course gonna differ. That too by a lot of margin.

" Haki Strength "
- I know this is a very confusing term.
- but call it 4th Form of Haki or "Invisible Haki".
- Because think yourself , Haki strength/4th form exist even if you accept it or not , Let's say admirals , who aren't haki spammers , well of course they know Haki but Haki mastery is nowhere to the level of Kaidou , Roger , Shanks.
- But they have Devil fruit mastery and it can increase their " 4th Form/ Invisble " Haki.
- Law can't teleport to Any of Admirals at given point of time in his life. They are not even known for their Haki.
- Characters like Special Tribes , Lunarian , Three-eyed , Buccaneer , Could be related to it too.
- Once they are strong enough , their "4th form" increases which gifts them with new abilities, In case of pudding, it could be Third eye. In case of lunarian it can be the Pyrokinetics, reason why none of them seraphim are shown to use it yet. I don't know about buccaneer but for sure it had to do something with " Strong will " and again Haki is your will.
- Sanji , He said his heat from Power of love lol. But Haki alternative naming schemes also had Drive , Vigor , Aspiration for something. Hotter his Fire goes , more his Will increases , like in Wano he unlocked Hell Memories.

Spoiler

Character	Haki Strength	Swordsmanship/Weapon	Devil Fruit Mastery	Haki Mastery
Roger	100	90	"-"	95~100
Whitebeard	100	"30~50"	100	70
Garp	95~100	"-"	"-"	100
Shanks	95~100	80	"-"	95~100
Mihawk	100	100	"-"	90
Kaidou	100	"-"	90	100
Akainu	100	"-"	95~100	Unknown
Law	100	50	90~100	20~30

Note : Above is not a power scaling chart , but rather how much their " Will / 4th Form / Invisible / Haki strength " is coherent with their Swordsmanship , Devil fruit Mastery , Haki mastery , Haki Strength of a person differs Agenda to agenda here , So I nearly gave them all equal points. So no need to fight over it On who's stronger.
I'm talking about how This "Will / 4th Form / Invisible / Haki strength" Is coherent to user growth.

Because as Rayleigh said , Haki Blooms in Battle , He never said anything about which Haki precisely.
- Devil Fruit Users grow Stronger with Battle like Devil fruit Blooms.
- Swordsman Grows stronger in Battle , (Zoro vs mr.1 , Zoro vs king) , KoH was considered peak of Zoro Swordsmanship as of now not Haki Mastery
- Coby , Luffy , Garp , Aokiji , Zoro , Law , Kidd , Bigmam , Oden , Whitebeard ,They start to get superhuman Capablities , like Physical Prowess. I'm pretty sure this "Whatever you wanna call it" is coherent to it. You can already see average human is like real human only in one piece , a but few have ridiculous , Superhuman speed and superhuman Strength at base even without any enchantments.
- Law cutting Vergo was because , His Devil fruit Mastery Surpassed Vergo Haki Mastery.
- But Law cutting Doflamingo wasn't the same , He never cut doflamingo due to stronger Haki Strength or Devil fruit mastery , but a simple Logic of Pressure , force and area. Even Hordy cut Luffy Armanent Arms wit bare teeths , If law actually cut doffy their he should have been able to Slice the whole hand off like Doflamingo did to Law , but stop in middle. Law will probably Never reach on the same level as doflamingo in terms of Haki mastery , but His Current Devil fruit mastery surpasses his Both devil fruit mastery and Haki mastery.​

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[gz89]

Not gonna read a PhD about Haki but take your medal sir.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Rootbeer this guy seems to think he knows Haki better than you

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I know the title is very vague but I had this Theory once on Haki but dropped it due to lack of evidence.

If you can add more to it , Please do.
Read it for the sake of fun , This probably isn't true*** (I Simply had nothing to do sitting in metro so opened my archive of One piece theories.)

I repeat do not take this too seriously lol. It's either way a break week.
@Blazing Lion , I opened this from my archive when I read your thread of Haki and DF powers. I wanted to reply there but it would be too long.

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Is it converging too?

 

[Rootbeer]

@Rootbeer this guy seems to think he knows Haki better than you

Would need a summary..

 

[Ven437]

- we all wondered How out of blue Law was able to use Haki like yonkou. But in reality , his Haki mastery is still shit.
- What he's good at is Devil fruit which helped increase his "Haki Strength" not Haki Mastery​

How tf you say this shit when Law is literally the only non-Yonko mf who used a Yonko-lvl feat, with clear indication that his Haki GOT STRONGER

VIZ official TL:

Wano: “Their Haki is too strong, I can’t move them directly!”
Egghead: “I learned from the clashes with the Emperors… you can break through! Those powers can’t withstand intense enough Haki!”

 

[CbShadow]

How tf you say this shit when Law is literally the only non-Yonko mf who used a Yonko-lvl feat, with clear indication that his Haki GOT STRONGER

VIZ official TL:

Wano: “Their Haki is too strong, I can’t move them directly!”
Egghead: “I learned from the clashes with the Emperors… you can break through! Those powers can’t withstand intense enough Haki!”

That's not a Yonko level feat. That's no different than Law failing to send Doffy or move him around because Doffy's haki was to strong for him..

A YC level character using their haki to beat a veteran level character DF is nothing new.

 

[Ven437]

That's not a Yonko level feat. That's no different than Law failing to send Doffy or move him around because Doffy's haki was to strong for him..

A YC level character using their haki to beat a veteran level character DF is nothing new.

Law CAN move Doffy around. Has never said he couldn’t and in fact he’s done so multiple times. He simply chose not to when Doffy had his guard up because Doffy could predict and counter it. Teleportation tactics only as good as the fighter using it.

Goofy and Law were going to be turned into toys by Sugar and that was gonna be the end of their journey had Usopp not stepped in. The entire narrative centered on Usopp saving them in the shadows. Nothing suggests the duo could escape that without pulling off what Egghead Law did.

What Law did he specifically LEARNED from fighting Yonkos. Increasing his Haki potency to the point that it renders DFs useless. Haki nullifying DF abilities is a relatively new concept that was properly introduced in Wano on Rooftop, then used at the highest level by Shanks and Joyboy (WiFi CoC Haki).

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Would need a summary..

His summary is saying Zoro has AdvCoC.

 

[DonWick]

I need the abridged version bro I won’t lie.

 

[CbShadow]

Law CAN move Doffy around. Has never said he couldn’t and in fact he’s done so multiple times. He simply chose not to when Doffy had his guard up because Doffy could predict and counter it. Teleportation tactics only as good as the fighter using it.

Goofy and Law were going to be turned into toys by Sugar and that was gonna be the end of their journey had Usopp not stepped in. The entire narrative centered on Usopp saving them in the shadows. Nothing suggests the duo could escape that without pulling off what Egghead Law did.

What Law did he specifically LEARNED from fighting Yonkos. Increasing his Haki potency to the point that it renders DFs useless. Haki nullifying DF abilities is a relatively new concept that was properly introduced in Wano on Rooftop, then used at the highest level by Shanks and Joyboy (WiFi CoC Haki).

When did Law move Doffy around?

Using haki to counter or stop DF powers is nothing new.

 

[BestGen]

How tf you say this shit when Law is literally the only non-Yonko mf who used a Yonko-lvl feat, with clear indication that his Haki GOT STRONGER

VIZ official TL:

Wano: “Their Haki is too strong, I can’t move them directly!”
Egghead: “I learned from the clashes with the Emperors… you can break through! Those powers can’t withstand intense enough Haki!”

As expected from a zkk refugee

 

[MonochromeYoru]

That's not a Yonko level feat. That's no different than Law failing to send Doffy or move him around because Doffy's haki was to strong for him..

A YC level character using their haki to beat a veteran level character DF is nothing new.

Which character other than Yonkos and Law has negated df hax?

Give an example if it's nothing new

 

[Moegara]

When did Law move Doffy around?

Using haki to counter or stop DF powers is nothing new.

He switched his own and Doflamingo's position so Luffy could punch him.

 

[Cruxroux]

How tf you say this shit when Law is literally the only non-Yonko mf who used a Yonko-lvl feat, with clear indication that his Haki GOT STRONGER

VIZ official TL:

Wano: “Their Haki is too strong, I can’t move them directly!”
Egghead: “I learned from the clashes with the Emperors… you can break through! Those powers can’t withstand intense enough Haki!”

Just say you didn't even read the thread.

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He switched his own and Doflamingo's position so Luffy could punch him.

He correct on his statements.

Law got affected -> used Haki -> Negated Hax.

He had to consciously use haki.

Doffy got affected -> didn't use Haki -> Got blitzed by Luffy.

Yonkou's are innately strong enough to keep using Haki , And have enough DF and Haki knowledge to keep using haki to Avoid such situations.

Unknowingly we law was affected by DoC Q devil fruit. Does that mean he's Yonkou level too as these guys claiming Law to have a " Yonkou " level feat?. And if guy capable of Using his hax on yonkou level guys , should be Top tier himself because as Law himself stated , too strong the haki , and it won't work.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

The law section is one of the dumbest things I've read on this site

 

[Cruxroux]

The law section is one of the dumbest things I've read on this site

Why couldn't he slice off Doflamingo hand then.
Doflamingo did it pretty easily. Lol

 

[Ven437]

Just say you didn't even read the thread.

[automerge]1725067423[/automerge]

He correct on his statements.

Law got affected -> used Haki -> Negated Hax.

He had to consciously use haki.

Doffy got affected -> didn't use Haki -> Got blitzed by Luffy.

Yonkou's are innately strong enough to keep using Haki , And have enough DF and Haki knowledge to keep using haki to Avoid such situations.

Unknowingly we law was affected by DoC Q devil fruit. Does that mean he's Yonkou level too as these guys claiming Law to have a " Yonkou " level feat?. And if guy capable of Using his hax on yonkou level guys , should be Top tier himself because as Law himself stated , too strong the haki , and it won't work.

When did Law move Doffy around?

Using haki to counter or stop DF powers is nothing new.

Let me set something straight that many seem to miscomprehend due to Haki shit being scrambled around everywhere in the story due to Oda’s lack of direction

We have seen Haki can make you touch Logias

We have seen Haki can combat DF users

We have seen Haki bypass DF abilities like Goofy’s rubber defense, resist Law’s Amputate

We have NEVER seen Haki negating DF abilities outright until Rooftop. That would be like forcing a Logia or Zoan back to base, turning back from being a toy or art, making Goofy not rubber, dispelling the field of ROOM, stopping metal from gathering around Kidd

Law, in verbatim, in his own words, I quote LEARNED how to break through DF abilities and actually render their effects useless. This is not something he learned from Doffy or Goofy or any other Haki user. This is something NEW to the game of Haki, a true top-tier Haki ability that requires extreme effort for those who haven’t mastered it. It is something he learned from fighting YONKOS, not fighting scrubs like Doffy.

Therefore it is a Yonko-lvl feat.