General & Others Hard work (Koby) vs gifted freebies (Zoro)

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Luffy had a teacher in the form of Hegoro. Enma acted as Zoro's "teacher". Who taught him not to restrain his haki, but her "lessons" almost cost Zoro his life in a fight with King. And this is in your opinion "free"? I would understand you if Zoro could not release acoc without enma, but he has already shown how he covers all three blades with it and only Sandai. The only blade separately covered with haki-acoc at the moment is sandai kitetsu

Zoro was taught by Mihawk how to use haki, just like Luffy. The only one in the crew that learnt it without a real "teacher" is Sanji, but that's a bit of a stretch.
You said that Kobi got it for free, I say that it's an exageration, and you say that Zoro didn't get it for free. Trolling aside, Zoro trains hard, Kobi trains hard, Luffy trains hard. Want to say that Zoro trains harder than everybody and has the biggest dick and pisses farther than them? Go ahead. But nowher is shown that anyone got their COC undeservingly.

 

[Artem]

Zoro was taught by Mihawk how to use haki, just like Luffy. The only one in the crew that learnt it without a real "teacher" is Sanji, but that's a bit of a stretch.
You said that Kobi got it for free, I say that it's an exageration, and you say that Zoro didn't get it for free. Trolling aside, Zoro trains hard, Kobi trains hard, Luffy trains hard. Want to say that Zoro trains harder than everybody and has the biggest dick and pisses farther than them? Go ahead. But nowher is shown that anyone got their COC undeservingly.

OK, let's be objective. Of all the team members, only Zoro constantly trains in his spare time. In SBS, his favorite things are drinking and training. He awakened coc in a battle with kaido with 30 broken bones saving the captain. He "woke up" Acoc at the moment when yc1 attacked him without stopping +enma constantly pulled haki. If you want to know my opinion, then yes, Zoro trains and rakes the most before getting an ap.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

OK, let's be objective. Of all the team members, only Zoro constantly trains in his spare time. In SBS, his favorite things are drinking and training. He awakened coc in a battle with kaido with 30 broken bones saving the captain. He "woke up" Acoc at the moment when yc1 attacked him without stopping +enma constantly pulled haki. If you want to know my opinion, then yes, Zoro trains and rakes the most before getting an ap.

Ok, I don't disagree.
But I disagree with the statement of Koby getting it for free, since he's gone through a training that is just as harsh, or slightly less if that's what matter for you.

 

[Artem]

Ok, I don't disagree.
But I disagree with the statement of Koby getting it for free, since he's gone through a training that is just as harsh, or slightly less if that's what matter for you.

Much tougher. Zoro's Path to acoc=Hakai (combined attack of two yonko) mini-fight with kaido for saving luffy being a foot in the grave and leaving a scar =coc. With the subsequent fight with yc1+enma =acoc. This is much tougher than the situation with Kobi. I am neutral towards kobi and have never been biased towards him, but Zoro's path to acoc was really very tough. Hackay+Kaido+King+Enma=acoc

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Much tougher. Zoro's Path to acoc=Hakai (combined attack of two yonko) mini-fight with kaido for saving luffy being a foot in the grave and leaving a scar =coc. With the subsequent fight with yc1+enma =acoc. This is much tougher than the situation with Kobi. I am neutral towards kobi and have never been biased towards him, but Zoro's path to acoc was really very tough. Hackay+Kaido+King+Enma=acoc

I dislike Kobi more than you will ever believe, I totally think that he's depicted completely wrong of what Oda wants us to think.
I watched my Eva and my Gurren Lagann, and another Simeon character that believes in himself because Garp believes in him is simply not interesting.
He could have been much cooler and much more organic, with us hearing of him instead of a name drop of rocky port, whatever happened there.

 

[Artem]

I dislike Kobi more than you will ever believe, I totally think that he's depicted completely wrong of what Oda wants us to think.
I watched my Eva and my Gurren Lagann, and another Simeon character that believes in himself because Garp believes in him is simply not interesting.
He could have been much cooler and much more organic, with us hearing of him instead of a name drop of rocky port, whatever happened there.

Ode didn't have time to fully develop it. In fact, after the ts, Luffy gets 70% of the time, and the rest is shared by Zoro, Sanji and Lo. Almost all mugiwara became the background and it is not surprising that Oda did not bother with Kobi

 

[DonWick]

This thread is actually dumb. We literally constantly see Zoro training. Koby and Zoro are both hard workers.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Ode didn't have time to fully develop it. In fact, after the ts, Luffy gets 70% of the time, and the rest is shared by Zoro, Sanji and Lo. Almost all mugiwara became the background and it is not surprising that Oda did not bother with Kobi

Yeah, big shame.
I am really sticking around only for the plot and the cool moments, but truly what characters like Kobi, Brook, Franky, or even Smoker got is sad.
My man Usopp is the worst example.

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This thread is actually dumb. We literally constantly see Zoro training. Koby and Zoro are both hard workers.

 

[trav]

Not when you have a Blade exuding someone's Haki without of their own accord..

Its the users own haki. If there is nothing to take it will not work.
Enma does not grant you abilities.

Ashura is Sandai Kitetsu's power manifested through Zoro's demon Aura..

Its Zoros "demon aura", but somehow also Kitetsus ability? lol
Luffy is using 100% Nikas haki, right?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Luffy is using 100% Nikas haki, right?

In the fight against Kaido the haki coming from Enma is distinctively recognised by Kaido as Oden's. This is canon.

 

[HA001]

In the fight against Kaido the haki coming from Enma is distinctively recognised by Kaido as Oden's. This is canon.

Never happened.

Why is enma not coated if it has odens haki ?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Never happened.

Why is enma not coated if it has odens haki ?

Come on mate, I am not here to downplay Zoro, I am just saying that Kaido makes that statement. Do I have to go fish the panel now?

found it, ignore all the text.

 

[Artem]

Come on mate, I am not here to downplay Zoro, I am just saying that Kaido makes that statement. Do I have to go fish the panel now?

found it, ignore all the text.

Strange haki is exactly Zoro's haki in the form of smoke. If it was Oden's haki, kaido would say about it that yes, it's Oden-haki. But not once did Kaido say that. Does the "energy" of Oden remain in enma? Of course, as in aime no habakiri. Is there a dead person in enma haki? No. Otherwise, why pull the hacks from Zoro having the hacks of oden? Well, Zoro would cut Monet with ryuma's sword, which is literally tempered by his haki.
We literally said in vano that the souls of the fallen warriors live in blades, that is what Kaido said, the presence of Oden in the clique, the warrior's spirit really continues to live in swords, but it does not give you strength or haki.

 

[HA001]

Come on mate, I am not here to downplay Zoro, I am just saying that Kaido makes that statement. Do I have to go fish the panel now?

found it, ignore all the text.

Again. When enma takes haki as seen in 955 and 1033 it turns black.
Why isn't it black with odens haki.