Current Events Has Oda written himself into a corner with Big Mom?

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Herrera95

#22
Oda is at corner that he doesn't see and doesn't care.

First was Kaido getting hurt by everything that happened on Rooftop.
Second was BM getting hit by a bunch of useless metal.

Oda forgots what he writes in previous arcs. BM has a invisible armor(haki of course) that should make her tough enough to not getting hurt by fucking metals.
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How? No DF can bypass haki.
Law cutting fullbody haki Vergo?
 
#25
Oda has shown repetitively that haki isn't the end all be all of powerscaling
No he hasn't! You can become a top tier without a DF. But you cannot become top tier without haki. That's the only thing you have to know about about "haki vs DF."
Because Enel's haki was too weak. If Luffy fought against Katakuri's FS in Skypia then even with his asspulls he wouldn't be able to defeat him. There are instances that you can explain it, to a degree. In case of Big Mom Law has acknowledged that he can't teleport Meme because her haki is simply TOO fucking strang. If Law never said that then I would Kid-of-agree with you.
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Is that why Luffy kicked Hancock sisters asses? Haki isn't a magic shield that protect you of any damage
Then why couldn't Law teleport Meme since his so called "hax" DF can bypass haki? Explain me that?
 
#28
The main issue here is that Oda's symbolic formula when it comes to taking down villains, is to do it in a manner where it is showcased in front of the people they have been oppressing, to signify the rebirth of that Country. In Big Mom's case, that would be the people of her own Country, whom she charges a soul tax on.

Even if he mirrored Thriller Bark, and she gets defeated, and all the souls she's taken over the years end up going back to their original people, it still doesn't fit the bill, because on Thriller Bark, there was still a massive audience of people there to witness Moriah's defeat, who had their shadows taken.

So Big Mom being defeated on Wano doesn't make any sense. There is literally nobody there to witness their freedom coming to fruition first hand. That drastically reduces the emotional impact of the act of having the Big Mom taken down once and for all. Oda doesn't do that, because he likes the defeat of the main villain to have these huge emotional climaxes.

Elbaf itself would fit the bill, because Big Mom has had bad blood with the Giants for years. So it's well within the confines of the story that she has taken a couple hundred/thousands of years of souls from the Giants.

Most people want her defeated because they just want her out of the picture. But Oda needs to conclude her story in a satisfying manner no matter what. Will he reduce her down to a secondary antagonist and have her taken out in such a way that goes against how he concludes the character arc for every other major villain? I personally doubt it, but you never know.
 
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Ballel

#29
Because Enel's haki was too weak. If Luffy fought against Katakuri's FS in Skypia then even with his asspulls he wouldn't be able to defeat him. They are instances that you can explain it, to a degree. In case of Big Mom Law has acknowledged that he can't teleport Meme because her haki is simply TOO fucking strang. If Law never said that then I would Kid-of-agree with you.
Dose knowto which degree the sky islands are isolated from the rest of the world?
The world government doesn't seem to know they exist.
 
#31
Honestly all of this could have been avoided had Oda given Kid stronger characterization. He is supposed to be this rival to Luffy but he feels to inferior to Luffy/Zoro/Law. Roof Piece was supposed to be his time to shine but he didn't do anything particularly impressive. Also i'm very dissapointed in Oda's lack of creativity with his DF. There are so many crazy things you can do with magnetism and yet all Kid uses it for is "ME BIG ARM, ME STRONGER NOW".
 
#33
Honestly all of this could have been avoided had Oda given Kid stronger characterization. He is supposed to be this rival to Luffy but he feels to inferior to Luffy/Zoro/Law. Roof Piece was supposed to be his time to shine but he didn't do anything particularly impressive. Also i'm very dissapointed in Oda's lack of creativity with his DF. There are so many crazy things you can do with magnetism and yet all Kid uses it for is "ME BIG ARM, ME STRONGER NOW".
This is why I don’t really care for Kidd. He could be broken as fuck but he’s just a plug.
 
#34
So Big Mom being defeated on Wano doesn't make any sense. There is literally nobody there to witness their freedom coming to fruition first hand. That drastically reduces the emotional impact of the act of having the Big Mom taken down once and for all. Oda doesn't do that, because he likes the defeat of the main villain to have these huge emotional climaxes.
This!!!:goyea:

That's why I'm starting to think that WCI 2.0 might actually–god help us all–happen. At the end of the day Luffy promised Katakuri that he will come back to take down Meme.
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Dose knowto which degree the sky islands are isolated from the rest of the world?
The world government doesn't seem to know they exist.
What are you trying to say?
 
#35
This!!!:goyea:

That's why I'm starting to think that WCI 2.0 might actually–god help us all–happen. At the end of the day Luffy promised Katakuri that he will come back to take down Meme.
I'd say the only way this could happen that would actually be fresh and interesting is if Oda doesn't make it a full blown arc, but rather just a mini arc of a massive naval battle. A full blown battle between JUST the Big Mom Pirates, and the Straw Hats/Grand Fleet. No exploring, no outside characters, just a war between two factions, with only one winner.
 
#36
This!!!:goyea:

That's why I'm starting to think that WCI 2.0 might actually–god help us all–happen. At the end of the day Luffy promised Katakuri that he will come back to take down Meme.
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What are you trying to say?
There is literally no incentive for the strawhats to visit WCI again tho, they already got what they wanted there. They're done with that Island.
 
#37
I'd say the only way this could happen that would actually be fresh and interesting is if Oda doesn't make it a full blown arc, but rather just a mini arc of a massive naval battle. A full blown battle between JUST the Big Mom Pirates, and the Straw Hats/Grand Fleet. No exploring, no outside characters, just a war between two factions, with only one winner.
Everything about WCI has been explored already, so obviously that's not going to happen. But I don't see that massive naval battle happening between two Emperor level characters, but I can see 1v1 in WCI.
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There is literally no incentive for the strawhats to visit WCI again tho, they already got what they wanted there. They're done with that Island.
If Big Mom doesn't get defeated here then strawhats will have new objective to visit WCI again.
 
#39
Big Mom still have a Role to play
The only reason Oda added her to this Arc is because he added Supernova Mid-Story which wasn't his Original Plan

In other words, WCI Arc was First Part of her Story, Wano Arc is just a Side-Step for her to give Supernova their Sub-Arc & then we will have Second Part of her Story in Final Arc (Not as Antagonist though)

Certain Reveals will make Multiple Characters change their Allegiance
 
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Jailer

#40
The main issue here is that Oda's symbolic formula when it comes to taking down villains, is to do it in a manner where it is showcased in front of the people they have been oppressing, to signify the rebirth of that Country. In Big Mom's case, that would be the people of her own Country, whom she charges a soul tax on.

Even if he mirrored Thriller Bark, and she gets defeated, and all the souls she's taken over the years end up going back to their original people, it still doesn't fit the bill, because on Thriller Bark, there was still a massive audience of people there to witness Moriah's defeat, who had their shadows taken.

So Big Mom being defeated on Wano doesn't make any sense. There is literally nobody there to witness their freedom coming to fruition first hand. That drastically reduces the emotional impact of the act of having the Big Mom taken down once and for all. Oda doesn't do that, because he likes the defeat of the main villain to have these huge emotional climaxes.

Elbaf itself would fit the bill, because Big Mom has had bad blood with the Giants for years. So it's well within the confines of the story that she has taken a couple hundred/thousands of years of souls from the Giants.

Most people want her defeated because they just want her out of the picture. But Oda needs to conclude her story in a satisfying manner no matter what. Will he reduce her down to a secondary antagonist and have her taken out in such a way that goes against how he concludes the character arc for every other major villain? I personally doubt it, but you never know.
She's a secondary antagonist in this arc so yes she gets defeated as such. Whether her gets concluded or not here remains to be seen, but she will be dethroned from her position with this arc, where Kid and Law come onto picture.
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Law cutting fullbody haki Vergo?
Tbf that can easily be explained because his haki was better than Vergo's, he can't do the same with Big Mom or Kaido because their haki is too strong.
 
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