Current Events Has Oda written himself into a corner with Big Mom?
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Oda did corner himself
Bringing BM and not making SN trio vs Kaido as main fight
Now he either ends BM dirty or makes Kidd and law lose which will be very dumb at this point
Unless Kid goes to the roof once again to finish kaido alongside Luffy then Linlin not being done here will not be an issue.
BM defeated and coming back at Elbaf as ally will be me
Bringing BM and not making SN trio vs Kaido as main fight
Now he either ends BM dirty or makes Kidd and law lose which will be very dumb at this point
Unless Kid goes to the roof once again to finish kaido alongside Luffy then Linlin not being done here will not be an issue.
BM defeated and coming back at Elbaf as ally will be me
I still firmly believe that she is not going down this arc. and there are many reasons:
1) Luffy's promise to come back to WCI and deal with her. Hell he avoided her on the performance floor and ran even though all the Straw hats were there, He could have drawn a really good fight with everyone on the live floor fighting her.
2) The majority of the BM pirates have not been defeated and have not even gotten fights with anyone.
3) BM's character has ZERO relevance to Wano and its people and their struggle. BM's relevance is WCI and Elbaf. If she is to be "defeated" then Elbaf is the best place for her character to get closure.
Here's my theory on what could go down. Kaido gets defeated but in the chaos BM steals Kaido's road poneglyph and takes it with her forcing the crew to track her down. They all end up on Elbaf where Luffy and her have their 1v1 grudge match and the giants witness her downfall making the Straw hats respected among the gaints.
1) Luffy's promise to come back to WCI and deal with her. Hell he avoided her on the performance floor and ran even though all the Straw hats were there, He could have drawn a really good fight with everyone on the live floor fighting her.
2) The majority of the BM pirates have not been defeated and have not even gotten fights with anyone.
3) BM's character has ZERO relevance to Wano and its people and their struggle. BM's relevance is WCI and Elbaf. If she is to be "defeated" then Elbaf is the best place for her character to get closure.
Here's my theory on what could go down. Kaido gets defeated but in the chaos BM steals Kaido's road poneglyph and takes it with her forcing the crew to track her down. They all end up on Elbaf where Luffy and her have their 1v1 grudge match and the giants witness her downfall making the Straw hats respected among the gaints.
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Oda plays the long game, she's in Wano for a reason
and the build up to her fight against Luffy existed for a reason
about her Power lvl, BM DF potential is limitless, that's not something Oda would need to worry about a lot, especially if Oda is planning a similar fight to Moria where she can control a crazy weapon or creature...ect
her DF is one the main reason people shouldn't think she's falling here, crazy things Oda could do with the DF in a crazy climatic fight, and there's the added aspect of her homies having personalities related to her mood and what object the homie is in
you think Oda will drop all of that away ? no chance
outside of her power lvl, her story as a whole is important to OP major themes, like family and blood ties, racism and discrimination, and Motherhood, she's basically THE MOM of One Piece, Oda obviously is planning something big here, since obviously he's planning to explore these themes further through BM, especially Motherhood Wich is a big subject in the story
another thing people don't realize, her crew is actually a perfect fit as opponents to SHs Wich can't be coincidence
Streussen and Sanji, you don't think Sanji won't fight a character that have "the cook cook" fruit do you?
Ussop and Mont Dor, this fight must happen, crazy potential for Mont for to make Ussop scared with his illusion or with scary books lol also Ussop against soul pocus must happen
Amande cut slow, Brook cut fast, everyone assumed this will happen in WCI
Smoothie ability to grow big will be amplified in Elbaf, because she can suck the blood of Giants and become the biggest giant there, her power can only be fitting in Elbaf, Zoro probably will handle her and cracker who his power is about having multiple hands, perfect match for Ashura Zoro ( Cracker must get a power up tho)
Big Mom final arc is Elbaf , you should just trust the build up lol
and the build up to her fight against Luffy existed for a reason
about her Power lvl, BM DF potential is limitless, that's not something Oda would need to worry about a lot, especially if Oda is planning a similar fight to Moria where she can control a crazy weapon or creature...ect
her DF is one the main reason people shouldn't think she's falling here, crazy things Oda could do with the DF in a crazy climatic fight, and there's the added aspect of her homies having personalities related to her mood and what object the homie is in
you think Oda will drop all of that away ? no chance
outside of her power lvl, her story as a whole is important to OP major themes, like family and blood ties, racism and discrimination, and Motherhood, she's basically THE MOM of One Piece, Oda obviously is planning something big here, since obviously he's planning to explore these themes further through BM, especially Motherhood Wich is a big subject in the story
another thing people don't realize, her crew is actually a perfect fit as opponents to SHs Wich can't be coincidence
Streussen and Sanji, you don't think Sanji won't fight a character that have "the cook cook" fruit do you?
Ussop and Mont Dor, this fight must happen, crazy potential for Mont for to make Ussop scared with his illusion or with scary books lol also Ussop against soul pocus must happen
Amande cut slow, Brook cut fast, everyone assumed this will happen in WCI
Smoothie ability to grow big will be amplified in Elbaf, because she can suck the blood of Giants and become the biggest giant there, her power can only be fitting in Elbaf, Zoro probably will handle her and cracker who his power is about having multiple hands, perfect match for Ashura Zoro ( Cracker must get a power up tho)
Big Mom final arc is Elbaf , you should just trust the build up lol
If the big mom pirates appear in elbaf, they will get mid diffed
Current big mom would already get destroyed by Luffy and her crew is massively weaker than the SHs.
if Oda doesn't have kid and law beat big mom in wano, then it would have been pointless to even include her in this arc
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But Kid and Law do have haki. Evidently their haki is strong enough that they can withstand fighting top tiers for the past 30+ chapters.
They just don't have advanced haki, but it doesn't matter because their DFs are canonically strong enough to seriously damage big mom via awakening.
Yes, Haki can block some DF abilities but not all of them. Law's awakening makes his sword intangible, which might bypass haki altogether. Kid's awakening targets big mom from every single angle, which should lessen the efficiency of ryuo and ACoC barriers as those techniques rely on concentrating haki(which you can't do if the attack is coming at all angles).
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Anyways remember how every theorized that moria was going to be really important in wano and it turns out he wasn't? Big Mom and elbaf is literally the exact same thing.
Current big mom would already get destroyed by Luffy and her crew is massively weaker than the SHs.
if Oda doesn't have kid and law beat big mom in wano, then it would have been pointless to even include her in this arc
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But Kid and Law do have haki. Evidently their haki is strong enough that they can withstand fighting top tiers for the past 30+ chapters.
They just don't have advanced haki, but it doesn't matter because their DFs are canonically strong enough to seriously damage big mom via awakening.
Yes, Haki can block some DF abilities but not all of them. Law's awakening makes his sword intangible, which might bypass haki altogether. Kid's awakening targets big mom from every single angle, which should lessen the efficiency of ryuo and ACoC barriers as those techniques rely on concentrating haki(which you can't do if the attack is coming at all angles).
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Anyways remember how every theorized that moria was going to be really important in wano and it turns out he wasn't? Big Mom and elbaf is literally the exact same thing.
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SHs not only mid diffed Moria crew , they destroyed them, so SHs fighting relatively easy opponent is not something Oda wouldn't do, even tho you're underestimating the BMPs
SHs most likely will focus on fighting BM anyway, and the build up is there with Nami, Sanji, Brook and Ussop and even Zoro, all counter BM in different ways
BM compared to Kaido is like Moria compared to Lucci, she rely on hax, tricks and preparation, not just pure strength
Oda could do many things to fix the power lvl difference even further, like Elbaf having a weapon that BM use or something like that
We simply lack information on how Oda will handle the fight "exactly", doesn't mean it won't happen
the build up say BM vs SHs in Elbaf, so that's what will happen,if you relie on Power lvls to predict future events you will never get anything right, you're even assuming Luffy will be above BM after Wano Wich is not correct
SHs most likely will focus on fighting BM anyway, and the build up is there with Nami, Sanji, Brook and Ussop and even Zoro, all counter BM in different ways
BM compared to Kaido is like Moria compared to Lucci, she rely on hax, tricks and preparation, not just pure strength
Oda could do many things to fix the power lvl difference even further, like Elbaf having a weapon that BM use or something like that
We simply lack information on how Oda will handle the fight "exactly", doesn't mean it won't happen
the build up say BM vs SHs in Elbaf, so that's what will happen,if you relie on Power lvls to predict future events you will never get anything right, you're even assuming Luffy will be above BM after Wano Wich is not correct
I understand everyone’s disdain for her character, but the amount of character buildup that she possesses would make her being written out of the story in Wano be absolutely ridiculous. Just in this arc alone we’ve had multiple avenues for her character open up; O-Lin (this is definitely coming back up, trust me), her relationship with Kaido, Rocks, her betraying Kaido etc. Not to mention the promise to Katakuri which was a HIGHLIGHT in Luffy’s relationship to him (this wasn’t a, “Oh I’m gonna beat Jack’s ass!” in passing that people like to compare it to. This moment had narrative significance), her needing to know what happened to Mother Caramel as a resolution to her character, and finally the foreshadowing that Big Mom in some capacity is going to be an ally to the SHs per Lola. She has so much more to offer lol
In regards to her being written into a corner, from a powerscaling perspective yeah, but narratively I think there’s a lot more that can be done.
In regards to her being written into a corner, from a powerscaling perspective yeah, but narratively I think there’s a lot more that can be done.
I think she will for sure go down here, I don’t see a problem w her going down to Kid and Law especially if Kid awakens his CoC coating(very important skill this arc and they wouldn’t bring up his CoC in act 1 for nothing), Law can continue rupturing her insides, Big Mom continually drains her life span and that’ll be all she wrote. If other characters come to join the fray(their right hands) even better! To me Big Mom is a lesser version of Kaido, she’s felt like a washed up top tier from the beginning imo so I have no gripes w this. The only thing that bothered me is how it felt so setup that Luffy would be the one to take her down for a long time, but it wouldn’t be the first time Luffy says he’ll beat someone up without actually doing it. Sometimes that’s just how things work out you don’t always get it your way is how I see it but it’s not a bad alternative at all. I think we all would hate to have her be an antagonist in a THIRD arc in a row.
tl;dr: I don’t think he wrote himself in a corner because the Law and Kid route is a very viable option imo
tl;dr: I don’t think he wrote himself in a corner because the Law and Kid route is a very viable option imo
I am sorry, but Big Mom has to go. She was 86th in the popularity poll despite having one of the highest panel times post timeskip. She was below the likes of Bellmere, Karoo, etc. I will go as far as to say that she is the main reason why One Piece's popularity is going down to drain.
Kidd and Law need to beat her rn. She doesn't have any relevance to the final plot, joyboy, will of d, void century, Im etc. Oda cant waste more panels on her on Elbaf when he wants to finish the story within 5 years. It makes no sense to give the readers a Big mom vs Luffy just for fanservice.
Kidd and Law need to beat her rn. She doesn't have any relevance to the final plot, joyboy, will of d, void century, Im etc. Oda cant waste more panels on her on Elbaf when he wants to finish the story within 5 years. It makes no sense to give the readers a Big mom vs Luffy just for fanservice.
Imagine a mangaka basing the relevance of a character based on popularity polls 
good thing they don't ever pay attention to those despite fans thinking they mean something to the story, otherwise Hancock and Sabo would be popping up every now and then instead of being sidelined in Wano
The fuck are you smoking, BM is one of the two most knowledgeable pirates next to Kaido regarding the history of OP. They're the only surviving remnants of Xebec's crew and know concepts like Voice of All things, Joyboy, ancient weapons, Road Poneglyphs, and have done their prep to uncover more secrets (Wano, Pudding third eye). They are absolutely relevant to the final plot
good thing they don't ever pay attention to those despite fans thinking they mean something to the story, otherwise Hancock and Sabo would be popping up every now and then instead of being sidelined in WanoThe fuck are you smoking, BM is one of the two most knowledgeable pirates next to Kaido regarding the history of OP. They're the only surviving remnants of Xebec's crew and know concepts like Voice of All things, Joyboy, ancient weapons, Road Poneglyphs, and have done their prep to uncover more secrets (Wano, Pudding third eye). They are absolutely relevant to the final plot
BM wont go to Elbaf, she is going down in Wano.
For me the major problem with BM is the after, someone gonna capture her? She will become O-Lin? She gonna die? Because even If Kid and Law defeat her, she would just come back, so probably something will happen to her in the end of the Arc to take her out of scene.
Thats probably the most nonsense post i've read in the fórum lol. The only two members of BM Pirates that have revelance were already defeated by Luffy and Nekomamushi, the other like Smothie, Mont Dor, Daifuku, etc are just fooder.
Imagine thinking that after making Onigashima battle against a fully armed Emperor crew Oda will make in the next arc Zoro and Sanji fight Cracker and Steussen while Luffy fight the clearly weaker and less relevant character that BM is if compared Kaido.
Kaido know everything BM know and more, no need for her to be a backup of info Kaido already can say, and by this point in the story the SH's have in their side characters that know more than BM like Robin and Yamato. Post Wano SH's will have 4 new poneglyphs, 3 road poneglyphs and Oden logbook, no need for BM "knwolodge" lol
Seriously BM is the minor villain, the main Boss is Kaido.
For me the major problem with BM is the after, someone gonna capture her? She will become O-Lin? She gonna die? Because even If Kid and Law defeat her, she would just come back, so probably something will happen to her in the end of the Arc to take her out of scene.
Thats probably the most nonsense post i've read in the fórum lol. The only two members of BM Pirates that have revelance were already defeated by Luffy and Nekomamushi, the other like Smothie, Mont Dor, Daifuku, etc are just fooder.
Imagine thinking that after making Onigashima battle against a fully armed Emperor crew Oda will make in the next arc Zoro and Sanji fight Cracker and Steussen while Luffy fight the clearly weaker and less relevant character that BM is if compared Kaido.
Imagine a mangaka basing the relevance of a character based on popularity polls good thing they don't ever pay attention to those despite fans thinking they mean something to the story, otherwise Hancock and Sabo would be popping up every now and then instead of being sidelined in Wano
The fuck are you smoking, BM is one of the two most knowledgeable pirates next to Kaido regarding the history of OP. They're the only surviving remnants of Xebec's crew and know concepts like Voice of All things, Joyboy, ancient weapons, Road Poneglyphs, and have done their prep to uncover more secrets (Wano, Pudding third eye). They are absolutely relevant to the final plot
good thing they don't ever pay attention to those despite fans thinking they mean something to the story, otherwise Hancock and Sabo would be popping up every now and then instead of being sidelined in WanoThe fuck are you smoking, BM is one of the two most knowledgeable pirates next to Kaido regarding the history of OP. They're the only surviving remnants of Xebec's crew and know concepts like Voice of All things, Joyboy, ancient weapons, Road Poneglyphs, and have done their prep to uncover more secrets (Wano, Pudding third eye). They are absolutely relevant to the final plot
Seriously BM is the minor villain, the main Boss is Kaido.
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Lmao it's the other way around. BM is older than Kaido, gave him his legendary DF, and has the best intel network with ties to almost all races including the third eye tribe which is still being set up. If Elbaf arc happens then she is 100% going to be there
She is also one of the few characters (probably the only other one) actively going for the Road Poneglyphs aside from SH crew while her territory is still safe. Kaido is going to be defeated this arc and Wano is going to be liberated, Beast Pirates are completely finished after this
She is also one of the few characters (probably the only other one) actively going for the Road Poneglyphs aside from SH crew while her territory is still safe. Kaido is going to be defeated this arc and Wano is going to be liberated, Beast Pirates are completely finished after this