Current Events Has Saturn already admitted inferiority to Dr Vegapunk in combat power?

#41
No, you don't understand what I'm saying and as much as I clarify what I say, you won't understand it because that's not how you perceive things.

The Gorosei are clearly stronger than the Admirals for multiple reasons. There were already safe assumptions about that that could be taken before this chapter:
- The admirals are only the public face of the WG
- The admirals work under the Gorosei (strongest members of the WG, excluding Imu who is hidden)
- The admirals are always mentioned to be the strongest marines (public face of the World Government)

Now, we have the Gorosei being introduced LATER in the story and showing their strength LATER in the story. This is typical from EOS villains. The stronger they are, the longer you gotta wait to show their strength.

Why is it that the admirals' strength was shown in Marineford? I'll let you guess why.

The admirals have always been portrayed as a mere public face, the last opponents before the World Government.

Now, let's get back to the arc where we at. The World Government sent CP9 then CP8 and so on, until CP0, to kill Vegapunk. However, none of these succeeded to do it.

So, the WG decided to send Admiral Kizaru, who was escorting Saturn (who was not supposed to put his feet on Egghead).

What happened? Kizaru was one shotted to paralysis by the yonko who was not supposed to be in Egghead (Egghead incident).

This led to Saturn, the strongest agent of the World Government before Imu, to land on Egghead.

The narrative is clearly showing: CP9 < ... < CP0 < Admiral Kizaru < Saturn.

Saturn is the strongest ressource that the WG disposes to kill Vegapunk at this point.

Now, if we ignore the narrative (that you can't understand for some reason and that is obvious at this point), you have Saturn having an insane portrayal since the moment he landed his feet on Egghead:
- Saturn lands on Egghead with a fucking pentagram, this is an insane portrayal
- Saturn seems to have conqueror's coating (we see black lightning) and uses a devil fruit attack that affects even Sanji and Bonney (who are top tiers)
- Saturn's devil fruit is a fucking mythical zoan whose portrayal was already insane
- Saturn seems to be immortal

All of the recent portrayal, feats and narrative clearly confirm that Saturn > Kizaru.

Ignoring the overall situation and only overanalyzing the arguments I'm using is your choice.
Again, it’s just the same old excuses over and over again:

- The Elders are also being shown after the Yonko, so that must mean that they are stronger too..yet you didn’t say so. Why the double standard?

- Either way, that has no bearing on strength to begin with, unless you think that everyone shown after Mihawk is stronger than him.

- Being the public face or having less authority has no bearing on strength either. So that’s just another empty claim. Cipher Pol was a secret organization with some even doubting they exist at all, for example.

- That also depends on the silly assumption that Kizaru (or any of the others) has shown his full strength.

- Why was Whitebeard, the strongest man in the world’s strength shown at Marineford? That line is particularly silly.

- How did you expect Saturn to take control of the Seraphim without setting foot on the island? Come on now…

- Kizaru was obviously not one shotted. Even trying such nonsense at this juncture says it all. Did the Scabbards one shot Kaido with Paradise Totsuka? Surely you have to be consistent if the argument is valid, right? Gee…I wonder why you’re not…

- Adding assumptions to your statement does not make them so…and even worse they just highlight the emptiness of the claim: “the strongest agent of the WG before Imu.” Where was that stated? The only thing ever said on that topic was that the Admirals are the strongest.
Again, that does not necessarily make it so, but that’s the only current position given on the topic. So why try to ignore it without a counter statement to the contrary?
As I said, if that’s your agenda that’s fine…but to pretend that it’s a foregone conclusion is just disingenuous (and also amusing).

Don’t confuse your assumptions, speculations and agenda for for anything substantive, that’s all.
If you are honest, you can say that you want it so for the Gorosei to be stronger than the Admirals and that’s fine.
Trying to pretend that that’s established without any actual content and also conveniently trying to exclude the Yonko from the claim just exposes your intention. You ain’t fooling anyone.

Kinyagi is at least honest saying he believes the Gorosei are stronger than both the Admirals & Yonko.
And yes, the Gorosei being stronger than both has no bearing on how Admirals & Yonko relate to each other. There’s a reason that’s a go-to excuse from primarily Yonko fans with little else to latch onto.
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No, you don't understand what I'm saying and as much as I clarify what I say, you won't understand it because that's not how you perceive things.

The Gorosei are clearly stronger than the Admirals for multiple reasons. There were already safe assumptions about that that could be taken before this chapter:
- The admirals are only the public face of the WG
- The admirals work under the Gorosei (strongest members of the WG, excluding Imu who is hidden)
- The admirals are always mentioned to be the strongest marines (public face of the World Government)

Now, we have the Gorosei being introduced LATER in the story and showing their strength LATER in the story. This is typical from EOS villains. The stronger they are, the longer you gotta wait to show their strength.

Why is it that the admirals' strength was shown in Marineford? I'll let you guess why.

The admirals have always been portrayed as a mere public face, the last opponents before the World Government.

Now, let's get back to the arc where we at. The World Government sent CP9 then CP8 and so on, until CP0, to kill Vegapunk. However, none of these succeeded to do it.

So, the WG decided to send Admiral Kizaru, who was escorting Saturn (who was not supposed to put his feet on Egghead).

What happened? Kizaru was one shotted to paralysis by the yonko who was not supposed to be in Egghead (Egghead incident).

This led to Saturn, the strongest agent of the World Government before Imu, to land on Egghead.

The narrative is clearly showing: CP9 < ... < CP0 < Admiral Kizaru < Saturn.

Saturn is the strongest ressource that the WG disposes to kill Vegapunk at this point.

Now, if we ignore the narrative (that you can't understand for some reason and that is obvious at this point), you have Saturn having an insane portrayal since the moment he landed his feet on Egghead:
- Saturn lands on Egghead with a fucking pentagram, this is an insane portrayal
- Saturn seems to have conqueror's coating (we see black lightning) and uses a devil fruit attack that affects even Sanji and Bonney (who are top tiers)
- Saturn's devil fruit is a fucking mythical zoan whose portrayal was already insane
- Saturn seems to be immortal

All of the recent portrayal, feats and narrative clearly confirm that Saturn > Kizaru.

Ignoring the overall situation and only overanalyzing the arguments I'm using is your choice.
Also…did you just claim that Bonney is a top tier? Lmao! If those are the lengths you have to go to for supporting a claim, that should tell you something.

And it’s just as pointless since it’s not any better than the treatment any Admiral would give her.
But please do go ahead and explain why a pentagram, regenerating from presumed immortality, or a mythical Zoan like Marco’s or Yamato’s automatically places Saturn above the Admirals but for some reason conveniently keeps him short of the Yonko.

You can take as much time as you need…
 
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#42
Again, it’s just the same old excuses over and over again:

- The Elders are also being shown after the Yonko, so that must mean that they are stronger too..yet you didn’t say so. Why the double standard?

- Either way, that has no bearing on strength to begin with, unless you think that everyone shown after Mihawk is stronger than him.

- Being the public face or having less authority has no bearing on strength either. So that’s just another empty claim. Cipher Pol was a secret organization with some even doubting they exist at all, for example.

- That also depends on the silly assumption that Kizaru (or any of the others) has shown his full strength.

- Why was Whitebeard, the strongest man in the world’s strength shown at Marineford? That line is particularly silly.

- How did you expect Saturn to take control of the Seraphim without setting foot on the island? Come on now…

- Kizaru was obviously not one shotted. Even trying such nonsense at this juncture says it all. Did the Scabbards one shot Kaido with Paradise Totsuka? Surely you have to be consistent if the argument is valid, right? Gee…I wonder why you’re not…

- Adding assumptions to your statement does not make them so…and even worse they just highlight the emptiness of the claim: “the strongest agent of the WG before Imu.” Where was that stated? The only thing ever said on that topic was that the Admirals are the strongest.
Again, that does not necessarily make it so, but that’s the only current position given on the topic. So why try to ignore it without a counter statement to the contrary?
As I said, if that’s your agenda that’s fine…but to pretend that it’s a foregone conclusion is just disingenuous (and also amusing).

Don’t confuse your assumptions, speculations and agenda for for anything substantive, that’s all.
If you are honest, you can say that you want it so for the Gorosei to be stronger than the Admirals and that’s fine.
Trying to pretend that that’s established without any actual content and also conveniently trying to exclude the Yonko from the claim just exposes your intention. You ain’t fooling anyone.

Kinyagi is at least honest saying he believes the Gorosei are stronger than both the Admirals & Yonko.
And yes, the Gorosei being stronger than both has no bearing on how Admirals & Yonko relate to each other. There’s a reason that’s a go-to excuse from primarily Yonko fans with little else to latch onto.
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Also…did you just claim that Bonney is a top tier? Lmao! If those are the lengths you have to go to for supporting a claim, that should tell you something.

And it’s just as pointless since it’s not any better than the treatment any Admiral would give her.
But please do go ahead and explain why a pentagram, regenerating from presumed immortality, or a mythical Zoan like Marco’s or Yamato’s automatically places Saturn above the Admirals but for some reason conveniently keeps him short of the Yonko.

You can take as much time as you need…
I won't keep this discussion.

I have already wasted all of my time with the admiral fandom explaining to them a lot of things but you just can't understand that view of the story if you don't perceive it like that.

You'll see that I'm right when Nika faces Saturn and puts the fight against Kizaru to shame. There will be no round 2 of Luffy vs Kizaru.

As I said below:
No, you don't understand what I'm saying and as much as I clarify what I say, you won't understand it because that's not how you perceive things.

Ignoring the overall situation and only overanalyzing the arguments I'm using is your choice.
 
#43
I won't keep this discussion.

I have already wasted all of my time with the admiral fandom explaining to them a lot of things but you just can't understand that view of the story if you don't perceive it like that.

You'll see that I'm right when Nika faces Saturn and puts the fight against Kizaru to shame. There will be no round 2 of Luffy vs Kizaru.

As I said below:
Ah…so just doubling down on the same pitiful excuse? “you can’t understand that view of the story if you don’t perceive it like that” means nothing. That’s the same thing people who were claiming ZKK would happen were saying. It turns out that “view of the story” was simply wrong.

It’s a simple matter, and you can’t hide behind such excuses: what has Saturn done to make him stronger than Kizaru? Simply nothing.
You could just say that Saturn will turn out to be stronger and show something later on, but you can’t because you’re consumed by agenda so would rather pretend nothing is something rather than taking the reasonable position of “wait and see.” It’s really not that hard.

And of course, that still doesn’t explain why you exempted the Yonko from it. Like I said, the proof is in the pudding…and you made your intentions pretty clear with your double standards.
 
#44
No, don’t be disingenuous. That’s just immature.
I obviously only used 1 of the examples you listed, but the rest were just as bad.
Or did you think they had any merit? If so why not stand by them, lmao:

- Tried to kill a defenceless Luffy.
- bloodied the head of fodder.
- regenerated damage from a sword stab.
- has the ability to immobilize characters (I believe you claimed this was Haki…but of course speculation isn’t an argument).

The only reason you wouldn’t continue is the same old excuse that the usual suspects always use: the claim is empty to begin with.
Again, what a shocker…using the same tactics disingenuous fans always use.
Kizaru's future lies with the SHP. He will join Luffy to defeat Saturn and save his friends.

It's ok. Your agenda is safe with me, you just need to accept Kizaru has a new boss. It's still a humble existence, but at least Luffy won't ask Kizaru to kill his own friends.

Luffy is all about liberating others. Kizaru will be free from the shackles of the Gorosei.
 
#45
Kizaru's future lies with the SHP. He will join Luffy to defeat Saturn and save his friends.

It's ok. Your agenda is safe with me, you just need to accept Kizaru has a new boss. It's still a humble existence, but at least Luffy won't ask Kizaru to kill his own friends.

Luffy is all about liberating others. Kizaru will be free from the shackles of the Gorosei.
See…I can’t even tell if you actually believe such nonsense or are putting on an act.

Either way, it won’t make up for previous silly takes, so why bother?
 
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