- No that's not what I stated. I don't know what abilities he can or can't use, hence no argument or discussion I have with Hiruzen involves the usage of that panel. Because it's a waste of a time to use it.
Let's recap the discussion here:
- I said Tsunade would whoop old Hiruzen herself, that Hiruzen can't do anything to her outside of other than using the RDS.
- You said she's trash and that Old Hiruzen would beat her.
- I asked how since OLD HIRUZEN has shown nothing outside of RDS to beat her.
- You then provided that panel where it's stated Hiruzen can use all of Leaf's techniques, as a counter to how Tsunade is trash.
- Then we get into a discussion about which abilities he can't use but are being used in the leaf village
- Then you're relying on pure assumptions to categorize the jutsus he can or can't use and what Oda meant and didn't mean.
^^ Your main support for Hiruzen was using that vague panel where you're about as ignorant on his jutsu arsenal as I am. And if we're both ignorant on a topic what rationality is there to use it as part of a discussion?
@Bold, see that I 100% believe and is realistic. Hiruzen very well knows every single jutsu, FTG/Susanoo/Tsukuyomi/Byakugan techs/Mitotic Regen/Edo/Soul transfer/etc etc, I believe he knows them. But him being able to use every single technique that he knows is a different thing and that's where we have to rely on assumptions. I don't need to be able to perform a technique in order to know about a technique. As for Edo tensei, you're forgetting he was a student of Tobirama who was a renowned Edo Tensei user?
So based on what is shown on panel you admit Hiruzen cannot beat Tsunade without the RDS, which is just a suicide technique. Yes?
If you agree to that, we can then move on to their portrayal of Old Hiruzen & Peak Tsunade, where again it's not even close.
Let's recap the discussion here:
- I said Tsunade would whoop old Hiruzen herself, that Hiruzen can't do anything to her outside of other than using the RDS.
- You said she's trash and that Old Hiruzen would beat her.
- I asked how since OLD HIRUZEN has shown nothing outside of RDS to beat her.
- You then provided that panel where it's stated Hiruzen can use all of Leaf's techniques, as a counter to how Tsunade is trash.
- Then we get into a discussion about which abilities he can't use but are being used in the leaf village
- Then you're relying on pure assumptions to categorize the jutsus he can or can't use and what Oda meant and didn't mean.
^^ Your main support for Hiruzen was using that vague panel where you're about as ignorant on his jutsu arsenal as I am. And if we're both ignorant on a topic what rationality is there to use it as part of a discussion?
@Bold, see that I 100% believe and is realistic. Hiruzen very well knows every single jutsu, FTG/Susanoo/Tsukuyomi/Byakugan techs/Mitotic Regen/Edo/Soul transfer/etc etc, I believe he knows them. But him being able to use every single technique that he knows is a different thing and that's where we have to rely on assumptions. I don't need to be able to perform a technique in order to know about a technique. As for Edo tensei, you're forgetting he was a student of Tobirama who was a renowned Edo Tensei user?
So based on what is shown on panel you admit Hiruzen cannot beat Tsunade without the RDS, which is just a suicide technique. Yes?
If you agree to that, we can then move on to their portrayal of Old Hiruzen & Peak Tsunade, where again it's not even close.
