General & Others Honest Thoughts on Luffy Vs Kizaru?
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It was never an actual fight. Neither of them are fighting to defeat the other one. All it is, is one person stopping another person, from killing another person.
People judging this like it was an official fight.......
People judging this like it was an official fight.......
Sorry but this objectively was an Official fight , the Vs Title is indicator of this and YES LUFFY VS VIVI AND LUFFY VS SANJI are also fights as well since I know you’ll pull that out your ass. It’s a KNOWN FACT Oda Uses the Vs Title to let us know the fight will have a Conclusion.
Kizaru is not trying to defeat Luffy. He's trying to kill Vegapunk.
Luffy is not trying to defeat Kizaru. He's trying to stop him from killing Vegapunk.
Luffy vs Cracker is more of a real fight than this was, and that was 95% off paneled.
Damn yeah i couldn't remember Vegapunk unable to replicate Logias
I guess Logia Awakening introduced here will be better than Akainu/Kizaru/Ryokugyu all showing it in New MHQ yeah
Or than BB showing it, at least if he awakens more than 1 DF
Anyway i agree this is the best arc to introduce it --- cause of the possibility of Vegapunk explaining it, Kizaru is the closest Logia user to him too.
Also Kizaru is the only Logia this arc :
--- with Saturn Luffy Lucci Kaku being Zoans
--- and all 4 Seraphims being Paramecias
Edit :
--- Chopper = Zoan
--- Bonney Robin Brook = Paramecias
--- Bluegrass = Paramecia
--- Hulk Hogan VA = Otter Zoan
--- the BBP = Zoan Devon + Laffitte, likely a Zoan too
Hmm, Caribou might have hitched a ride on Sunny tho, but where is he ?
Does his presence matter anyway ? He is one of the weakest & most incompetent Logia users, likely unawakened.
I guess Logia Awakening introduced here will be better than Akainu/Kizaru/Ryokugyu all showing it in New MHQ yeah
Or than BB showing it, at least if he awakens more than 1 DF
Anyway i agree this is the best arc to introduce it --- cause of the possibility of Vegapunk explaining it, Kizaru is the closest Logia user to him too.
Also Kizaru is the only Logia this arc :
--- with Saturn Luffy Lucci Kaku being Zoans
--- and all 4 Seraphims being Paramecias
Edit :
--- Chopper = Zoan
--- Bonney Robin Brook = Paramecias
--- Bluegrass = Paramecia
--- Hulk Hogan VA = Otter Zoan
--- the BBP = Zoan Devon + Laffitte, likely a Zoan too
Hmm, Caribou might have hitched a ride on Sunny tho, but where is he ?
Does his presence matter anyway ? He is one of the weakest & most incompetent Logia users, likely unawakened.
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The fight served as an excuse to have both Luffy and Kizaru down while Saturn takes the stage, Luffy through his stamina problems and Kizaru through getting TKO'd by one attack
Hopefully we get Luffy vs Saturn once Kuma arrives, while Kizaru decides he's done being a cog in the machine and peaces out
Hopefully we get Luffy vs Saturn once Kuma arrives, while Kizaru decides he's done being a cog in the machine and peaces out
G5 Wuffy Goofy mode cooks any Admiral harder than a mf, this settles it, it sounds like he could win at any time if he didnt trolled that much
I mean, the so-called “serious prankster” Nika had to use his strongest attack just to take Kaidou out, all while struggling in a head-on clash and clearly being seen having a hard time to overpower him. Meanwhile, against Kizaru, he acts as if nothing really affects him—making silly jokes and not even using advanced Haki.
Here’s the thing: we don’t want to see someone just tanking hits from Gear 4 until Gear 4 runs out of stamina. We wanted to see someone actually able to hit Gear 4 back, able to counter even against Gear 4. Kaidou was that guy, and Katakuri too.
With Gear 5 it’s the same. We don’t want to see someone being a punching bag, just enduring until Gear 5’s time limit runs out, while Luffy proves he’s simply stronger than his opponent in that form. Kaidou proved that regardless of Gear 4 or 5, he could beat Luffy down, hit him, dominate him, and actually cause him damage. Kizaru didn’t—he was repeatedly clowned on by a restrained Gear 5 that wasn’t even using advanced Haki. He never once dominated Luffy the way Kaidou did, he didn’t even inflict proper damage on him. Damn, that’s just way too ridiculous.
I don’t know what people are thinking when they make Kizaru vs Kaidou threads, because Kaidou is basically someone better than Gear 5. He already proved in a direct clash against it that he was superior—without having any kind of time limit. That’s terrifying, because Luffy, at this point, still has to be restricted by things like time limits and plot just for being TOO STRONG. Meanwhile, Kaidou is even stronger and has no TIME LIMIT. His only “restriction” is his own personality of fooling around like he’s playing with his food. LMAO.
Think about it—take the brakes off Gear 5 and remove the time limit. What would’ve happened to Kizaru and the rest of this manga? Luffy would be beating Kizaru down nonstop, without suffering any retaliation, damage, or counterattack—nothing—because he’s purely superior even when restricted to just using basic Haki.
Now put an unrestricted, no-time-limit Gear 5 against Kaidou, and we’d still see Kaidou outmatching him on multiple occasions.
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I enjoyed it lot but it was definitely lacking too and disappointing ultimately. But it had some fantastic and hilarious parts too. It was not worth the 15 years wait or w/e though, all those years of build up and getting revenge for Sabaody and such. Sanji getting clowned by him didn't help either, especially right after he did the amazing, impossible feat of deflecting the laser....with his feet funnily enough lol.
I thought those photonic gloves would come into play somehow vs Kizaru and he would also give us his awakening but alas....
I'm sure we will get a more proper fight in future but I think it will be Zoro vs Kizaru instead, it sucks that we didn't get that here. I'd love to see Zoro, Sanji, Franky all contribute something vs Kizaru in a fight at least, maybe even Usopp now too although given half the SHs still lack haki and were helpless against the tobi roppo....yeah.....never mind on that.
I really wish Oda hadn't involved the Gorosei like that, especially all of them but it makes sense they showed up ofc. It's such a double edged sword.
I asked Gemini to feedback on what I said too, as it can explain things better than I can and it said this:
Although now I just realised this is a 2 year old thread that got necro'd now, doh!
I thought those photonic gloves would come into play somehow vs Kizaru and he would also give us his awakening but alas....
I'm sure we will get a more proper fight in future but I think it will be Zoro vs Kizaru instead, it sucks that we didn't get that here. I'd love to see Zoro, Sanji, Franky all contribute something vs Kizaru in a fight at least, maybe even Usopp now too although given half the SHs still lack haki and were helpless against the tobi roppo....yeah.....never mind on that.
I really wish Oda hadn't involved the Gorosei like that, especially all of them but it makes sense they showed up ofc. It's such a double edged sword.
I asked Gemini to feedback on what I said too, as it can explain things better than I can and it said this:
Although now I just realised this is a 2 year old thread that got necro'd now, doh!
People revived this just to try and peddle the same stupidity we already went over in the manga? Trying to ignore Kizaru feeding Luffy is even worse since the anime was even more pointed about it.
It was embarrassing. Besides Oda suffering eye issues at the time, he also decided to humiliate Luffy by having his opponent feed him.
That reveal just killed all the coping and pretending that the usual suspects were trying to do to make it look good for Luffy.
So pretty much nothing new from Kizaru since Oda is preserving that for later, and one of the most embarrassing moments for Luffy…all with poor & confusing art to boot.
It was embarrassing. Besides Oda suffering eye issues at the time, he also decided to humiliate Luffy by having his opponent feed him.
That reveal just killed all the coping and pretending that the usual suspects were trying to do to make it look good for Luffy.
So pretty much nothing new from Kizaru since Oda is preserving that for later, and one of the most embarrassing moments for Luffy…all with poor & confusing art to boot.
