General & Others How badly the yonko title is treated

#41
This is a terrible argument.

We saw with our very eyes that Law is not "Yonko level" because it took him and Kid combined to barely defeat Linlin.

Mihawk, on the other hand, was given his bounty explicitly for being the WSS. Meaning that the WG thinks his strength alone is enough to net him a bounty that high.

We were never even given this kind of statement for Law, anyway.
Lmao, we saw Mihawk is not Yonko level because he stalemate with Vista, couldn't pass Croco, and couldn't beat 1 billion Pre-Yonko Shanks then. Same thing.

So you only have bounty. Both Law and Mihawk should be Yonko level or both are not Yonko level.

As usual you can't answer.

Mihawk will be surpassed by Luffy's underling. Yonko level can't be: Luffy > Luffy's underling > Yonko level. Its that simple.
 
#42
Lmao, we saw Mihawk is not Yonko level because he stalemate with Vista, couldn't pass Croco, and couldn't beat 1 billion Pre-Yonko Shanks then. Same thing.

So you only have bounty. Both Law and Mihawk should be Yonko level or both are not Yonko level.

As usual you can't answer.

Mihawk will be surpassed by Luffy's underling. Yonko level can't be: Luffy > Luffy's underling > Yonko level. Its that simple.
PK(+) Luffy’s RHM will be Yonko level at EoS
 
#43
Lmao, we saw Mihawk is not Yonko level because he stalemate with Vista, couldn't pass Croco, and couldn't beat 1 billion Pre-Yonko Shanks then. Same thing.

So you only have bounty. Both Law and Mihawk should be Yonko level or both are not Yonko level.

As usual you can't answer.

Mihawk will be surpassed by Luffy's underling. Yonko level can't be: Luffy > Luffy's underling > Yonko level. Its that simple.
Dude, this is shit-tier logic and you know it.

We didn't see shit from Mihawk. No named attacks, no concentration, literally nothing. Meanwhile, we saw Law get a power-up, get pushed to his limits, and use his strongest attacks thus far.

There's no evidence that Mihawk "couldn't do" any of the things you listed because we quite literally have not seen him try to do them.

Besides, it's quite obvious that Vista is fodder for Mihawk just by using basic scaling. Marco is > Vista, and he's at best comparable to King. King got shit-stomped by Zoro who not only admitted still being inferior to Mihawk, but literally was almost dying trying to control a blade that' 1 rank lower than the one that Mihawk casually swings around.

So you tell me: has Zoro already surpassed Mihawk, or is Vista somehow considerably stronger than King? Because those are literally the only plausible ways to interpret the above events.

It's crazy how you do everything in your power to contextualize bounties when it comes to your fav, but then when it's written in plain terms why Mihawk was given his bounty, it's somehow wrong.
 
#45
It's crazy how you do everything in your power to contextualize bounties when it comes to your fav, but then when it's written in plain terms why Mihawk was given his bounty, it's somehow wrong.
LOL.
When was that?

I said 2.2 billion BB or 3 billion Luffy bitchslaps Mihawk or Law,

Using bounty to scale Mihawk :gokulaugh:

Luffy clearly should be above Law and Kid, as well as should be above Mihawk.

Just like Law's bounty doesn't mean shit to Luffy, Mihawk's bounty doesn't mean shit as well.

Oda highballed the former Shichibukai and Law, Kid bounties, it doesn't make them Yonko level.

Both 2.2 billion BB or 3 billion Luffy bitchslaps them.

If you can't say Law >>> Zolo based on bounty then Mihawk still don't have anything to suggest he can beat Luffy based on bounty.
I used current BB's bounty when ZKKfans used bounties to justify Mihawk is Yonko level.

Dude, this is shit-tier logic and you know it.

We didn't see shit from Mihawk. No named attacks, no concentration, literally nothing. Meanwhile, we saw Law get a power-up, get pushed to his limits, and use his strongest attacks thus far.

There's no evidence that Mihawk "couldn't do" any of the things you listed because we quite literally have not seen him try to do them.

Besides, it's quite obvious that Vista is fodder for Mihawk just by using basic scaling. Marco is > Vista, and he's at best comparable to King. King got shit-stomped by Zoro who not only admitted still being inferior to Mihawk, but literally was almost dying trying to control a blade that' 1 rank lower than the one that Mihawk casually swings around.

So you tell me: has Zoro already surpassed Mihawk, or is Vista somehow considerably stronger than King? Because those are literally the only plausible ways to interpret the above events.
Named attack argument is so bad that easily got debunked many times, search the thread about debunking the myth about named attacks, it doesn't mean shit.

Mihawk apologized from Shanks and wanted to see power difference with WB. Thats concentration. Plus even after Vista stopped him, Croc stopped him after again, the guy didn't want to stop and took down Daz Bones for that.

Vista can't be fodder for him or he would take him down like Daz Bones or Pre-TS Luffy, he nearly crippled Luffy by cutting Luffy's arms and cut a frozen Tsunami while fighting Pre-TS Luffy.

Why Vista can't be fodder for him?
1- Mihawk acknowledged Vista as a famous pirate showed respect.
2- Marco send Vista ''alone'' to stop Mihawk, that means even if Mihawk doesn't hold back Vista can give difficulty
3- Mihawk himself asked for postponement not Vista asked

Vista is superior to Izo, who disarmed Alber's sword. Izo, as one of the scabbards, is superior to Tobi roppo as we also see Izo >> Tobi roppo X-Drake by far when they fought CP0. So Vista is definitely All-star level just like Alber. Alber got shitstomped? Zolo needed to spam Ad.CoC attacks to win vs. nerfed Alber who fought Marco alongside with Queen for 20 chapters. Zolo himseld admitted using too much Haki was going to kill him so he needed to finish the fight quickly. If Mihawk had Ad.CoC he too needs that for defeating Vista, it means that will drain Mihawk's Haki and will make him vulnerable later, he would never risk himself like that so thats why he couldn't pass Vista.

Zolo didn't surpass, but for sure must be comparable to Mihawk when he uses Ad.CoC KoH. And none are Yonko level. Yonko have higher sky splitting Ad.CoC, there are levels to that as well.
 
#46
LOL.
When was that?

I said 2.2 billion BB or 3 billion Luffy bitchslaps Mihawk or Law,



I used current BB's bounty when ZKKfans used bounties to justify Mihawk is Yonko level.


Named attack argument is so bad that easily got debunked many times, search the thread about debunking the myth about named attacks, it doesn't mean shit.

Mihawk apologized from Shanks and wanted to see power difference with WB. Thats concentration. Plus even after Vista stopped him, Croc stopped him after again, the guy didn't want to stop and took down Daz Bones for that.

Vista can't be fodder for him or he would take him down like Daz Bones or Pre-TS Luffy, he nearly crippled Luffy by cutting Luffy's arms and cut a frozen Tsunami while fighting Pre-TS Luffy.

Why Vista can't be fodder for him?
1- Mihawk acknowledged Vista as a famous pirate showed respect.
2- Marco send Vista ''alone'' to stop Mihawk, that means even if Mihawk doesn't hold back Vista can give difficulty
3- Mihawk himself asked for postponement not Vista asked

Vista is superior to Izo, who disarmed Alber's sword. Izo, as one of the scabbards, is superior to Tobi roppo as we also see Izo >> Tobi roppo X-Drake by far when they fought CP0. So Vista is definitely All-star level just like Alber. Alber got shitstomped? Zolo needed to spam Ad.CoC attacks to win vs. nerfed Alber who fought Marco alongside with Queen for 20 chapters. Zolo himseld admitted using too much Haki was going to kill him so he needed to finish the fight quickly. If Mihawk had Ad.CoC he too needs that for defeating Vista, it means that will drain Mihawk's Haki and will make him vulnerable later, he would never risk himself like that so thats why he couldn't pass Vista.

Zolo didn't surpass, but for sure must be comparable to Mihawk when he uses Ad.CoC KoH. And none are Yonko level. Yonko have higher sky splitting Ad.CoC, there are levels to that as well.
Oda has portrayed Mihawk so badly he’s supposed to rival Shanks but can’t beat a Yonko commander😭.

Oda fumbled so hard
 
#47
Remember how 2 Admirals at Reverie couldn't stop all those W's collect by Revolutionaires.
Memoryholed. Like every Admira L. Fujitora getting patched up afterwards also never happened.
Yonko are not treated badly at all if people were being realistic.
Not even the protagonist with all the power ups Oda threw at him was able to defeat even a single Yonko 1v1.
Kaido and BM had to get double, tripple of multi teamed to fall. And even that was not enough. No one was able to really put them down. Oda had to use the fucking planet to actually off them.
WB only died due to old age and disease. Oda send a geriatric on IV to MF to die. Yet with his dying breath he still managed to BTFO the supposedly strongest Admiral.

Yonko -> fall in a team effort with extreme help of the environment or plot devices
Admirals -> fall in a fair 1v1 with no outside help

People are just stupid as fuck when they go "die earlier in story means more weaker lmao" while ignoring context.
 
#48
Marineford Admirals were being stalemated by Whitebeard's Commanders.

Whitebeard crushed Akainu.

Greenbull legit admitted he would never go to Wano if Kaido was a Yonko and he shitted his pants to Shanks.

Marines are not allowed to fight Yonkos without permission.

Sometimes Oda makes a dirty job with Admirals or Yonkos. Usually and lately Yonkos that were the main focus of the series. Only now we are focusing more on Admirals and Oda will repeat the same mistakes.

Remember how 2 Admirals at Reverie couldn't stop all those W's collect by Revolutionaires.
Whitebeard lost his face and Akaini low diffed his entire crew

Greenbull wouldnt but it would be a high diff

Marines wont because they need an admiral to fight an yonko thats why
 

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#49
Yoooooo @L55 finally dropping a based thread! Change your name to W55.

These are my favorite parts:

When big mom and kaido got defeated there was no big news about them like people didnt care 2 yonko got defeated meanwhile when Akainu and Aokiji fought to death it was a huge event
Gb low diffing prime wb equal weevil
In general the admiral title is more respected than the Yonko title
 
#51
Memoryholed. Like every Admira L. Fujitora getting patched up afterwards also never happened.
Yonko are not treated badly at all if people were being realistic.
Not even the protagonist with all the power ups Oda threw at him was able to defeat even a single Yonko 1v1.
Kaido and BM had to get double, tripple of multi teamed to fall. And even that was not enough. No one was able to really put them down. Oda had to use the fucking planet to actually off them.
WB only died due to old age and disease. Oda send a geriatric on IV to MF to die. Yet with his dying breath he still managed to BTFO the supposedly strongest Admiral.

Yonko -> fall in a team effort with extreme help of the environment or plot devices
Admirals -> fall in a fair 1v1 with no outside help

People are just stupid as fuck when they go "die earlier in story means more weaker lmao" while ignoring context.
Not even Shichibukai had Franky using their faces as a racetrack.
You can be a Yonko fan and admit when Oda treats them badly. There’s no shame in that.
You don’t have to exaggerate or use inane naming schemes like adding “L” to acknowledge such things.
Things like having Kaido describe awakening with no confirmed awakening of his own are just indefensible without serious cope like “look, he has a bigger nose!”

Also, trying to use future hypotheticals like assuming the final war is just going to be fair 1 on 1 battles is just shooting yourself in the foot.
Even Wano dealing with a smaller cast was not restricted to that.
 
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Herrera95

#52
Whitebeard lost his face and Akaini low diffed his entire crew

Greenbull wouldnt but it would be a high diff

Marines wont because they need an admiral to fight an yonko thats why
Akainu was out of combat when Whitebeard hit him. He only came back after Whitebeard died. What a coward.
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WB only died due to old age and disease.
:cheers:
 
#57
WB was already sitting in his grave, waiting to be buried. You could say someone like Vasco shot killed him.

Akainu went for the future threats of piracy, Ace and Luffy.
Red Dog said WB could sink the island, if WB sink the island while Red Dog was hiding under the ground Red Dog would die. He is lucky BB showed up and killed WB before that happens.

Also, Red Dog didn't show up for 2 chapters, if he was following them, why he didn't reach Jinbe, who was carrying Luffy inside of 1 page? Is Red Dog slow enough to need 2 chapters to reach Jinbe who was carrying Luffy at that time?

Aokiji also helped Red Dog by cutting Jinbe's escape paths, without Aokiji, Red Dog couldn't catch him, either Jinbe while carrying Luffy is faster than Red Dog, or Red Dog was unconscious for a while under the ground or hiding from WB's power.
 
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Herrera95

#58
he did he appeared where Jinbe and Luffy
also he didnt fall into the water so he wasnt disabled
There wasn't any water. We don't know if Whitebeard opened the ground till the water.
He only shows up after Whitebeard is dead.
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WB was already sitting in his grave, waiting to be buried. You could say someone like Vasco shot killed him.

Akainu went for the future threats of piracy, Ace and Luffy.
Ace was already dead. That's the reason for Whitebeard vs Akainu last round and Whitebeard losing half face then taking Akainu out of battle.

Whitebeard died by his disease only.
 
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