Chapter Discussion How COC enhances Zoro's character: Oda's philosophy of greatness

Does Conqueror's Haki make a character a Chosen One?


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#1
Ch. 1010 revealed what many Zoro fans, myself included, have been predicting for years now, that Zoro, like his parallels in Oden and Rayleigh, has Conqueror's Haki. Some people have expressed concerns that COC detracts from Luffy and Zoro's underdog status and risks them becoming messianic figures like Naruto and Sasuke. I'm here to explain that since COC's introduction, Oda has used it as a tool to compliment and enhance Luffy and Zoro's characters, hinting that it is compassion, not might, that makes a true king.

The first time Luffy officially uses COC is against the Boa sisters to protect the Kuja women who saved him. Once she sees this, Hancock and her sisters begin taking him seriously, and force him to choose between personal gain (his boat) and self-sacrifice (saving the girls). Luffy makes the selfless choice and this is what ends up turning Hancock to his side. Having known only selfish and greedy men, Hancock fell in love with Luffy's humility, awed by the realisation that a fellow Conqueror might throw his pride away without a moment's hesitation to save others.



Similarly, Mihawk implicitly notes that Zoro is a proud, capable and honourable man, but is impressed by his willingness to relinquish his pride for the sake of becoming stronger for Luffy and his nakama:



Oda has emphasised over and over that a true Conqueror desires freedom for themselves and others. The greatest Conquerors, Whitebeard, Roger, Oden, Rayleigh and Shanks placed their faith in the next generation, making personal sacrifices to protect those weaker than them. This fits with Eastern philosophy that emphasises collectivism over individualism, valuing student/master and senior/junior relationships that mentor and raise future generations. When elderly Japanese people volunteered to clean up nuclear waste after the Fukushima reactor meltdown, many Westerners reacted with surprise, not realising that this philosophy is deeply baked into Japanese history and culture.



Similarly, Luffy and Zoro have inspired many other characters to pursue their dreams, including Coby, Momonosuke, O-Tama and Chopper. Luffy and Zoro also consistently place the group's welfare over their own, with Zoro holding back the full brunt of Hakai to preserve the Supernova group's strength and Luffy isolating himself in Mirror World to keep Katakuri away from his friends.



Although Luffy does have some indicators that signal his chosen one status such as his parallels with JoyBoy and Whitebeard's prediction that one day Luffy will reveal the truth about the world, all of these, in context, have nothing to do with his COC. Oda goes out of his way to reinforce that COC is actually quite common in the New World, and that anyone can be born with the willpower of kings. With the exception of Doflamingo, most COC users are common-born, with Hancock, Linlin and Rayleigh earning their 'king' or empress titles through deeds rather than circumstances of birth.

Zoro's theme has always been that of an ordinary man who, through sheer force of will, becomes capable of extraordinary feats. He was never as talented as Kuina and is constantly shown training and trying to improve himself. Haki translates roughly to willpower or ambition, with Sanji unable to even use haki against Black Maria as he completely lacks the will to fight women. Conqueror's haki thus is less a sign of being The Chosen One but rather signifies an individual with extraordinary will to rise above their circumstances.

Overall, COC enhances both Luffy and Zoro's characters by depicting them as ambitious and charismatic individuals who nonetheless are willing to act selflessly and seek freedom above all. Zoro is not a Chosen One and never has been. Mihawk, Ryuma and now Kaido have recognised his incredible force of will, with the World's Strongest creature finally beginning to acknowledge the loser of 2000 duels with a little girl in the East Blue. This is Oda's philosophy on COC and one of the main strengths of One Piece as a story.

 
#3
@Den_Den_Mushi hmm, this is pretty interesting stuff. :zorothink:

Out of interest, how do you think CoC works with characters that are more selfish like Kaido and Linlin? I suppose Linlin has her Utopia ideal going on (although I am not sure how serious she is about it due to Oda not portraying her clearly in the slightest) but Kaido seems unashamedly selfish. Lol.
I think Oda makes both selfish and selfless characters Conquerors but suggests that the greatest of the great ie Roger, Whitebeard etc were strong precisely because they put others before themselves. They never sought power but rather sought freedom for themselves and their loved ones, and the will to find freedom made them strong.

Luffy and Zoro belong to the Roger/WB category of conquerors rather than the cheap dime a dozen power hungry scoundrel that is Kid or Kaido. Oda contrasts them with other COC wielders to promote his philosophy of freedom and self-sacrifice above all else.
 
#9
Ch. 1010 revealed what many Zoro fans, myself included, have been predicting for years now, that Zoro, like his parallels in Oden and Rayleigh, has Conqueror's Haki. Some people have expressed concerns that COC detracts from Luffy and Zoro's underdog status and risks them becoming messianic figures like Naruto and Sasuke. I'm here to explain that since COC's introduction, Oda has used it as a tool to compliment and enhance Luffy and Zoro's characters, hinting that it is compassion, not might, that makes a true king.

The first time Luffy officially uses COC is against the Boa sisters to protect the Kuja women who saved him. Once she sees this, Hancock and her sisters begin taking him seriously, and force him to choose between personal gain (his boat) and self-sacrifice (saving the girls). Luffy makes the selfless choice and this is what ends up turning Hancock to his side. Having known only selfish and greedy men, Hancock fell in love with Luffy's humility, awed by the realisation that a fellow Conqueror might throw his pride away without a moment's hesitation to save others.



Similarly, Mihawk implicitly notes that Zoro is a proud, capable and honourable man, but is impressed by his willingness to relinquish his pride for the sake of becoming stronger for Luffy and his nakama:



Oda has emphasised over and over that a true Conqueror desires freedom for themselves and others. The greatest Conquerors, Whitebeard, Roger, Oden, Rayleigh and Shanks placed their faith in the next generation, making personal sacrifices to protect those weaker than them. This fits with Eastern philosophy that emphasises collectivism over individualism, valuing student/master and senior/junior relationships that mentor and raise future generations. When elderly Japanese people volunteered to clean up nuclear waste after the Fukushima reactor meltdown, many Westerners reacted with surprise, not realising that this philosophy is deeply baked into Japanese history and culture.



Similarly, Luffy and Zoro have inspired many other characters to pursue their dreams, including Coby, Momonosuke, O-Tama and Chopper. Luffy and Zoro also consistently place the group's welfare over their own, with Zoro holding back the full brunt of Hakai to preserve the Supernova group's strength and Luffy isolating himself in Mirror World to keep Katakuri away from his friends.



Although Luffy does have some indicators that signal his chosen one status such as his parallels with JoyBoy and Whitebeard's prediction that one day Luffy will reveal the truth about the world, all of these, in context, have nothing to do with his COC. Oda goes out of his way to reinforce that COC is actually quite common in the New World, and that anyone can be born with the willpower of kings. With the exception of Doflamingo, most COC users are common-born, with Hancock, Linlin and Rayleigh earning their 'king' or empress titles through deeds rather than circumstances of birth.

Zoro's theme has always been that of an ordinary man who, through sheer force of will, becomes capable of extraordinary feats. He was never as talented as Kuina and is constantly shown training and trying to improve himself. Haki translates roughly to willpower or ambition, with Sanji unable to even use haki against Black Maria as he completely lacks the will to fight women. Conqueror's haki thus is less a sign of being The Chosen One but rather signifies an individual with extraordinary will to rise above their circumstances.

Overall, COC enhances both Luffy and Zoro's characters by depicting them as ambitious and charismatic individuals who nonetheless are willing to act selflessly and seek freedom above all. Zoro is not a Chosen One and never has been. Mihawk, Ryuma and now Kaido have recognised his incredible force of will, with the World's Strongest creature finally beginning to acknowledge the loser of 2000 duels with a little girl in the East Blue. This is Oda's philosophy on COC and one of the main strengths of One Piece as a story.

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Lee Ba Shou

Conqueror of the Stars
#10
I guess it really just depends on Zoro’s lineage. If Zoro is related to Ryuma, his entire character and struggle have gone down the shitter for me. Oda will have turned him from a really hardworking guy who trains relentlessly to achieve his ambition, to a child of destiny handpicked by genetic prophecy or wtf ever.

But if Zoro is like Lin Lin in that he had relatively normal parents, but he has CoC simply because he developed such a strong ambition, then he could be one of the best characters in OP.

What’s more likely unfortunately is that Zoro has some bullshit lineage, since you can’t succeed in One Piece unless you were genetically chosen at birth.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#18
I guess it really just depends on Zoro’s lineage. If Zoro is related to Ryuma, his entire character and struggle have gone down the shitter for me. Oda will have turned him from a really hardworking guy who trains relentlessly to achieve his ambition, to a child of destiny handpicked by genetic prophecy or wtf ever.

But if Zoro is like Lin Lin in that he had relatively normal parents, but he has CoC simply because he developed such a strong ambition, then he could be one of the best characters in OP.

What’s more likely unfortunately is that Zoro has some bullshit lineage, since you can’t succeed in One Piece unless you were genetically chosen at birth.
Being a shimotsuki doesn't guarantee anything.
Koshiro is a shimotsuki
Yasu is a shimotsuki
Toko is a shimotsuki

They've only had one top level swordsman of note and that was ryuma

This isn't like luffy where his dad and grandad are top tiers
And he's the chosen one predestined new joy boy who everyone has been waiting for that oden and Roger knew would come in 20 years one of the sovereign that the sea King's have waited god knows how long for.
 
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