Powers & Abilities How deos Haki storage work? Are you boosting Enma or are you downplaying it? Is Enma a power up or a nerf?

[mly90]

lmao compared to Kaido's durability, Kaku is nothing

Sure but that was also the first time Zoro unlocked the ability he cut him down and defeated Kaku that was more than enough

 

[Herrera95]

Everybody spitting headcannon here. We never saw Yonkos facing Zoro without Enma to take any conclusions.

In fact, Zoro first attack on Kaido at rooftop he WAS using Enma but none of them said a shit about it.

 

[mugiwalaw]

Sure but that was also the first time Zoro unlocked the ability

i know its not you but i remember correctly some of you guys pathetically were saying that EL Asura is equal or goddly even stronger than Oden's ACoC

Everybody spitting headcannon here. We never saw Yonkos facing Zoro without Enma to take any conclusions.

In fact, Zoro first attack on Kaido at rooftop he WAS using Enma but none of them said a shit about it.

yeah it was Nik87 that spitted those nonsense.

 

[mly90]

i know its not you but i remember correctly some of you guys pathetically were saying that EL Asura is equal or goddly even stronger than Oden's ACoC

I try to never go too far, just dislike excessive downplaying with enma that has been on going for ages now

 

[mugiwalaw]

I try to never go too far, just dislike excessive downplaying with enma that has been on going for ages now

yea, i personally not buying that Enma stored Oden's haki or some shit like that, but i do believe its always been a power up, similar to awakening and advanced haki power up, all of that always give the drawbacks and the user always have to overcome that things.

 

[[No Name]]

The light force inside the sword boosts Link's overall strength. :cheers:

 

[nik87]

0 benefit? lmao Kaido literally said the stinging sensation came from Enma, never came from any of Wado or Sandai.

Stinging sensation?
Same shit he has been feeling from the moment Scabbards jumped him... It's just Oden PTSD...
Enma hasnt done anything for Zoro except tired him out faster than normally.
Everything he did with Enma, he could have done without it too.
That's why current Zoro without Enma's cloud is the same as FMI Zoro...

 

[mugiwalaw]

Stinging sensation?
Same shit he has been feeling from the moment Scabbards jumped him... It's just Oden PTSD...
Enma hasnt done anything for Zoro except tired him out faster than normally.
Everything he did with Enma, he could have done without it too.
That's why current Zoro without Enma's cloud is the same as FMI Zoro...

1. both Kaido and Big Mom only commented on Enma, not Wado, and not Sandai.
2. does Big Mom knows Oden? obviously not, but she sensed strange things coming out from Enma, not Wado, and not Sandai.
3. Zoro never use any one sword style that equal to what he did with Enma alone, not Wado, and not Sandai.

 

[nik87]

1. both Kaido and Big Mom only commented on Enma, not Wado, and not Sandai.
2. does Big Mom knows Oden? obviously not, but she sensed strange things coming out from Enma, not Wado, and not Sandai.
3. Zoro never use any one sword style that equal to what he did with Enma alone, not Wado, and not Sandai.

1 - commented during Hiryu Kaen when he let it grab as much haki as it wants and ended up doing nothing with it.
2 - Sure, still did nothing for Zoro.
3 - If you are talking about the destructive capability of the sliced horn, you could debate that, I guess.
However, Zoro has been doing such things before Enma, with 3 sword but done it either way.

 

[mugiwalaw]

1 - commented during Hiryu Kaen when he let it grab as much haki as it wants and ended up doing nothing with it.
2 - Sure, still did nothing for Zoro.
3 - If you are talking about the destructive capability of the sliced horn, you could debate that, I guess.
However, Zoro has been doing such things before Enma, with 3 sword but done it either way.

in conclusion, Enma is a power up. thats it.

 

[nik87]

in conclusion, Enma is a power up. thats it.

When it gathers haki, yes. I didnt deny that.
However, did it do anything useful for Zoro? It didnt...

 

[mugiwalaw]

When it gathers haki, yes. I didnt deny that.
However, did it do anything useful for Zoro? It didnt...

man, if you really think when Zoro alone literally said that it would make him stronger as something that unuseful for him, then i dont really know what should i say to you again.

 

[Herrera95]

man, if you really think when Zoro alone literally said that it would make him stronger as something that unuseful for him, then i dont really know what should i say to you again.

He asked if it would make him stronger. Wasn't an affirmation.

Also, he would be stronger WITH ENMA once he master it then when he didn't. Not stronger than he used to be with Shusui.

 

[mugiwalaw]

He asked if it would make him stronger. Wasn't an affirmation.

Also, he would be stronger WITH ENMA once he master it then when he didn't. Not stronger than he used to be with Shusui.

ok, so Luffy is nerfed because ACoC, because he hasnt master it, and he will only be stronger if he has fully master it. I get your point.

 

[HA001]

man, if you really think when Zoro alone literally said that it would make him stronger as something that unuseful for him, then i dont really know what should i say to you again.

After training it yes. He wasn't instantly stronger just by holding it.

 

[nik87]

man, if you really think when Zoro alone literally said that it would make him stronger as something that unuseful for him, then i dont really know what should i say to you again.

It's not that I think it, it is literally what happened - Zoro got a sword that has the ability to make his hits unnecessarily stronger.
He didnt get stronger because of anything else but because of Enma's gimmick and gimmick has to work which it doesnt always.
What did you think was the reason why Zoro "became stronger"?

 

[mugiwalaw]

After training it yes. He wasn't instantly stronger just by holding it.

man, i'm tired to explain this thing over and over again, probably it would be the last time.

so... it still makes Zoro's AP stronger, and the drawback is draining his stanina.

the same case with Law and Kidd's awakening, they still havent get used to it and it drained much of their stamina. would you say its not a power up then?

Spoiler: awakening

 

[HA001]

man, i'm tired to explain this thing over and over again, probably it would be the last time.

so... it still makes Zoro's AP stronger, and the drawback is draining his stanina.

the same case with Law and Kidd's awakening, they still havent get used to it and it drained much of their stamina. would you say its not a power up then?

Spoiler: awakening

You haven't explained shit. Zoro says when I get used to this it'll mean I've gotten that much stronger.
Not I'm already stronger.
No that's not what it does dumbass
It releases more haki than what you want it to. When enmas mastered it works like any other sword as we saw with oden.

 

[Finalbeta]

and again thanks to Enma as power up lmao, try better

What do you mean by Enma as power up? 🤔

 

[mugiwalaw]

You haven't explained shit. Zoro says when I get used to this it'll mean I've gotten that much stronger.
Not I'm already stronger.
No that's not what it does dumbass
It releases more haki than what you want it to. When enmas mastered it works like any other sword as we saw with oden.

and he's not fucking said "when i use enma that means i'm fucking nerfed", he clearly got stronger in his AP step by step even when he hasnt fully master it, release more haki = stronger AP, unless you dumb enough not understand that.

and analogically its the same as awakening, both has a drawback to release more powerful attack.