Questions & Mysteries How did the Whitebeard Remnants survive the Payback war?

How did WB remnants survive?

  • Someone sacrificed themselve to let the rest escape

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Saved by outside help

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Marco chose to retreat after realizing they were losing

    Votes: 7 53.8%
  • Blackbeard chose to spare them

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Other Reason

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    13
#1
We all know Blackbeard beating Marco and the remnants is how he became Yonko. But little else.
It was an overwhelming defeat but there seems to a decent number of survivors. Also the fact that BB hunts devil fruits, yet Marco is still alive. In theory the Phoenix fruit is far to valuable for BB to not steal for himself or one of his men.
 

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#3
This has been bothering me for ages, for the reasons you gave too.

Given Jozu and Vista the frauds have yet to reappear Post TS AT ALL, I'm guessing they gave their lives in the Payback War to try and stall the BBP whilst the others escaped.

Weevil was said to have taken down some of the WBP and allies IIRC, so they could have fallen to him instead and we might find out EVENTUALLY, if Weevil will ever be relevant at this point too, (I guess in Blackbeard's arc/Pirate Island somehow, although he should be in Impel Down now thanks to Green Bull?) so idk.

Blackbeard didn't kill Ace when he could have, despite him being the son of Roger and thus the son of the man who helped to kill his father, but he went ALL OUT savage on Whitebeard instead, so he definitely harbours a far more personal grudge towards WB for some reason. I always felt WB betrayed Rocks since we heard about God's Valley and such too. So maybe Blackbeard did let them go but to let Marcos and Jozus fruits go free at least, makes no sense unless they had a miraculous escape like Bepo and Law or Shanks or Scopper came to their rescue like Rayleigh did to Boa or something. We know Scopper went to see Crocus at some point now so it's not implausible either?
 
#4
This has been bothering me for ages, for the reasons you gave too.

Given Jozu and Vista the frauds have yet to reappear Post TS AT ALL, I'm guessing they gave their lives in the Payback War to try and stall the BBP whilst the others escaped.

Weevil was said to have taken down some of the WBP and allies IIRC, so they could have fallen to him instead and we might find out EVENTUALLY, if Weevil will ever be relevant at this point too, (I guess in Blackbeard's arc/Pirate Island somehow, although he should be in Impel Down now thanks to Green Bull?) so idk.

Blackbeard didn't kill Ace when he could have, despite him being the son of Roger and thus the son of the man who helped to kill his father, but he went ALL OUT savage on Whitebeard instead, so he definitely harbours a far more personal grudge towards WB for some reason. I always felt WB betrayed Rocks since we heard about God's Valley and such too. So maybe Blackbeard did let them go but to let Marcos and Jozus fruits go free at least, makes no sense unless they had a miraculous escape like Bepo and Law or Shanks or Scopper came to their rescue like Rayleigh did to Boa or something. We know Scopper went to see Crocus at some point now so it's not implausible either?
Jozu and Vista are the only ones that could feasibly pull off stalling the BBP. Jozu especially sacrificing himself seems more likely. He's already lost an arm and isn't present in the payback war flashback panel. Then again, none of the BB captains ended up having the diamond fruit, Shiryu getting it was one of the more popular theories. What does make it all puzzling is that BB was their crewmate for 20 years. He should be aware of every trick they know, so a freak escape chance like Bepo Sulong during daytime shouldn't happen. Perhaps the only thing that could surprise Blackbeard would be something like Jozu having awakening which he previously didn't have back when they were crew members.
 
#8
Blackbeard smashed them all the same way Law's crew got smashed before Bepo saved him.

All of those guys were still at the island when Bepo left.

I'm guessing Blackbeard just left when whoever was leading the remnants of the Whitebeard pirates (Marco) was defeated along with the rest.

The story goes THEY confronted Blackbeard. Blackbeard himself doesn't necessarily need to be like "Hey, you guys should just die." Instead, he can be like "If you can't stop me, who can!?!" kind of stuff and just went on his merry way.
 
#9
It seems that escaping is a simple thing in One Piece if you aren't a complete fodder.
  • Robin could avoid capture for more than 20 years;
  • The supernovas managed to escape from Kizaru and some pacifistas, but Rayleigh had to intervene to help Luffy;
  • Luffy and many ID prisoners could escape the much stronger Magellan (only fodders died/got recaptured... and Bon-chan obviously sacrificed himself, not for them to escape Magellan, but merely to open the Gates of Justice);
  • Ace could've escaped Marineford if he wanted to (WB would die in any case, but we're talking about the most powerful force in the series);
  • Urouge, even tired/injured from his battle against Snack, escaped from WCI;
  • The revos could escape BB unscathed and the BB Pirates themselves escaped from the CP-0;
  • Luffy & co. managed to flee from Totland, and Luffy even defeated 2 of the strongest BM commanders (Pedro had to sacrifice himself though);
  • The scabbards could escape from Orochi and Kaido during Oden's execution; Ashura avoided Kaido for about 20 years;
  • Bonney avoided capture for a long time and even managed to invade the Reverie, escape it and almost arrive in Egghead;
  • Law and Bepo, under extreme circumstances, could escape from the BB Pirates;
  • Koby could escape from Hachinosu, although Garp had to sacrifice himself (there was foul play involved though);
  • The Egghead escape had a lot of plot armor involved, but they were facing immortal (at the time) top-tiers + an admiral.

So, I'd guess that something similar happened to the WB remnants. Not sure, but a few of them could've died in the process.
 
#11
Marco said it was specifically the Quake Fruit they couldn't overcome. I imagine Blackbeard was wiping out large swaths of the Whitebeard Pirates' remnants, so Marco called for a retreat after a fierce struggle. Since none of the core Blackbeard Pirates possess Jozu's fruit, it's likely Jozu didn't die there. I think Jozu was barred from dying so the BBP couldn't take his DF in the process.

Vista is the next strongest member, and he has no DF, so it makes sense that he was among those who held the line while the others retreated. Maybe Squard chose to die there to make amends, since Marco did bring allies to the battle, and Squard couldn't die at Marineford.

 
#13
Well, I think it's pretty simple really. It wasn't a part of the plan.

Blackbeard is hunting seemingly all the most powerful Devil Fruits. But, he's not planning on keeping all of them. Remember, he was thinking about selling Law's Op-Op Fruit. One of the most powerful Fruits in the world, and he wasn't even sure if he wanted to keep it or not. And while he did want Ace's Flame Fruit, he pivoted and adapted pretty quickly once Sabo got it. He didn't go after Sabo after he got the Flame Fruit, Blackbeard just moved on.

To me, this says that Blackbeard is hunting for very specific Devil Fruits. It's probable that every Fruit that he's given to his Titanic Captains has a specific function that he's planning on using down the road for his master plan. Maybe that's giving him too much credit, but we'll see.

So, it's likely that Blackbeard doesn't really care about the Phoenix Fruit. Despite it being powerful, it's not a necessary Fruit for his master plan, so it's a secondary target, at best. He'd probably take it, if it was a easy get, but if it's too much work, it's not worth it to him. Blackbeard went all out against Whitebeard himself, most likely because the Quake Fruit is a key part of his plan. The rest? Good if he can get them, but not the priority.

So, if the Whitebeard Pirates don't have any Fruits that he's actually after for his plan...why risk more of a fight? Why pick a fight with a strong opponent, when you don't have to? When it's easier to just run away? Blackbeard is ALL about the profit. He's all about the goal. And he's also a little bit cowardly at time. Probably from being sensitive to pain. He'll take risks, but only when the risk is worth the reward to him. At this point, hunting down the last vestiges of the Whitebeard Pirates isn't worth it to him. Too much risk, too little reward. Their spirit is already broken twice over, once when their "father" died, and again when Blackbeard beat them during the Payback War. They're done. They're irrelevant, quite frankly. I feel like Blackbeard believes they aren't even capable of trying again...so why bother with them?

So, yeah. They probably survived by a combination of the few remaining fighters retreating. And Blackbeard not bothering to pick off most of the stragglers, preferring to just let the fight end. Blackbeard's crew didn't get wounded as badly as the Whitebeard Pirates did, but they were probably still tired after a fight like that. Better to let them run, rather than chase after them and start to lose members of his own crew because of it.
 
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