General & Others How disappointed would you be if the M3 didn’t fight Calamities?
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Sanji is invisible, can fly and is freaking fast dude.... Not to mention his suit gives him great durability even against Zooan attacks.
Sanji might not be as physically strong as the Zooans, but his mobility is ridiculous.
Not even the King of the Pirates himself could beat prime Whitebeard lol... This is another Kaido vs. Kid or Luffy scenario.
Sanji might not be as physically strong as the Zooans, but his mobility is ridiculous.
Not even the King of the Pirates himself could beat prime Whitebeard lol... This is another Kaido vs. Kid or Luffy scenario.
Finally you saw the light
Agree with everything, but maybe the second round thingy. I still don't know how Oda will deliver Alliance retreat from Onigashima if they are losing.
Agree with everything, but maybe the second round thingy. I still don't know how Oda will deliver Alliance retreat from Onigashima if they are losing.
his suit gave him great durability against page one. Queen will be on another level entirely. His base strength is surely going to be far greater, and his fruit is a brachiosaurus, which is one of the largest land animals to have ever existed.
I think one of the reasons the calamities are going to be way stronger than what most expected is zoan awakening. Ancient zoans are overpowered DFs, when wielded by strong fighters, as it is. Awakening will most likely given King and Queen, who are surely awakened imo, access to partial transformation(what Marco did in marineford) as well as a monster-point like hybrid form.
Chopper's walk point is literal fodder and yet monster point is so strong that Luffy needed elephant gun to take him out when franky, in chopper's body, used monster point in punk hazard. Imagine what King or Queen's "monster point" would be like.
Well you have to keep in mind, even the impel down zoans were able to unlock awakening. So perhaps awakening, or at least zoan awakening, isn't as rare as we thought.
but beyond that, I don't think we've seen anything to suggest Orochi has partial transformation. We saw him using a form with a human body and 3 snake heads, however his body was silhouetted when he used it, so its very possible he was actually using hybrid.
As for pekoms. Pekoms could have honestly been quite powerful. He had a higher bounty than oven and daifuku. He could have had awakening. Or perhaps he just went into full zoan form and we never saw his turtle head or arms because he pulls them into his shell.
but beyond that, I don't think we've seen anything to suggest Orochi has partial transformation. We saw him using a form with a human body and 3 snake heads, however his body was silhouetted when he used it, so its very possible he was actually using hybrid.
As for pekoms. Pekoms could have honestly been quite powerful. He had a higher bounty than oven and daifuku. He could have had awakening. Or perhaps he just went into full zoan form and we never saw his turtle head or arms because he pulls them into his shell.
But the beasts from Impel Down were retarded, so I have my doubts on how they awakened their fruits, to be honest. That didn't look like a natural awakening, but I may be overthinking it.
We perfectly saw Orochi growing two snake heads and nothing more in his flashback with kid Kanjuro. And personally I see no reason for his hybrid to erase five out of eight heads, that'd be a bit of a waste.
As for Pekoms, the first time he used his fruit against Caribou we saw how he'd only turn his torso into a shell: his head, tail and arms stayed completely in base while the shell was active (and we see this without problem). And while I agree he could have been quite powerful, how he relied on an untrained sulong instead of this hypothetical awakened zoan in order to protect Luffy from the Big Mom Pirates and how Oven easily got rid of him doesn't speak too much on his favor or, at least, on his fruit's.
While other users that have partially transformed could be awakened because of their experience and strength (Onigumo, Marco, even Epoida who could be powerful), I have some problems seeing those two as awakened fruits. We could even include here Sandersonia, who keeps a snake tongue in base, but I don't like this example that much because it's a too irrelevant and seemingly permanent change.
We perfectly saw Orochi growing two snake heads and nothing more in his flashback with kid Kanjuro. And personally I see no reason for his hybrid to erase five out of eight heads, that'd be a bit of a waste.
As for Pekoms, the first time he used his fruit against Caribou we saw how he'd only turn his torso into a shell: his head, tail and arms stayed completely in base while the shell was active (and we see this without problem). And while I agree he could have been quite powerful, how he relied on an untrained sulong instead of this hypothetical awakened zoan in order to protect Luffy from the Big Mom Pirates and how Oven easily got rid of him doesn't speak too much on his favor or, at least, on his fruit's.
While other users that have partially transformed could be awakened because of their experience and strength (Onigumo, Marco, even Epoida who could be powerful), I have some problems seeing those two as awakened fruits. We could even include here Sandersonia, who keeps a snake tongue in base, but I don't like this example that much because it's a too irrelevant and seemingly permanent change.
I'd be disappointed if Oda doesn't deliver on the Beasts Pirates being the Straw Hats' most difficult enemy to date. The Big Mom Pirates gave us an idea on what the Straw Hats will be up against next arc: The mid (and weak?) trios' opponents were around Sanji's level, and one solo'd Chopper and Brook. Sanji's opponent rag dolled base Luffy. Despite her amazing portrayal in the second half, if Luffy struggled that badly for a W against Zoro's opponent, he's hopeless against Meme.
honestly at this point, it seems as if all the calamity fights have more or less been set up.
Marco vs King
tobi roppo/Drake vs Queen
Inu and Neko vs Jack
For Marco vs King, there are too many similarities between them to count. Oda drew parallel scenes for these 2 twice, once when big mom asked king to join her crew, and again when marco kicked the boat. They are have flying zoan powers as well as fire abilities. It simply doesn't make sense for Zoro to take this fight over marco, especially since marco can fly whereas zoro can't.
Then you have Drake/tobi roppo vs Queen. I think this fight will mainly be a 1v1 with Drake. However I see the other tobi roppo joining in. The others, however, would have already taken serious damage from other fights and hence won't be able to do much. The reason I think it will be drake over sanji is simply because of how much build up the whole tobi roppo vs Queen subplot has. Oda has been building it up for the past 4 chapters. Sanji, on the other hand, hasn't even interacted with queen.
This is not to mention the fact that Drake is one of the strongest supernova whereas Sanji is, well, lacking. In any case, Oda has put so much buildup into this that it doesn't make sense for it to not happen.
Lastly Inuarashi and Nekomamushi vs Jack. Even if you deny Marco vs King or Tobi roppo vs Queen, i think this one is pretty obvious. Inu and Neko went through utter hell in zou because of jack. It doesn't make sense for them to not fight. It was also stated that there would be a full moon on the night of the raid, meaning that inuarashi and nekomamushi will be able to use their su long forms. I honestly can't see any other character being able to take on su long inu and neko.
These matchups seem to have so much build up and seem so obvious that the only reason why people still say m3 vs calamities isn't because of any plot build up or plot necessities, but rather simply because of the fact that in previous arcs, such a format was followed. However there is one big difference between this arc and other arcs.
In other arcs we weren't fighting yonko.
What about Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbe? Well I think their main role won't be in taking out the yonko subordinates, but rather in taking out the yonko themselves.
Marco vs King
tobi roppo/Drake vs Queen
Inu and Neko vs Jack
For Marco vs King, there are too many similarities between them to count. Oda drew parallel scenes for these 2 twice, once when big mom asked king to join her crew, and again when marco kicked the boat. They are have flying zoan powers as well as fire abilities. It simply doesn't make sense for Zoro to take this fight over marco, especially since marco can fly whereas zoro can't.
Then you have Drake/tobi roppo vs Queen. I think this fight will mainly be a 1v1 with Drake. However I see the other tobi roppo joining in. The others, however, would have already taken serious damage from other fights and hence won't be able to do much. The reason I think it will be drake over sanji is simply because of how much build up the whole tobi roppo vs Queen subplot has. Oda has been building it up for the past 4 chapters. Sanji, on the other hand, hasn't even interacted with queen.
This is not to mention the fact that Drake is one of the strongest supernova whereas Sanji is, well, lacking. In any case, Oda has put so much buildup into this that it doesn't make sense for it to not happen.
Lastly Inuarashi and Nekomamushi vs Jack. Even if you deny Marco vs King or Tobi roppo vs Queen, i think this one is pretty obvious. Inu and Neko went through utter hell in zou because of jack. It doesn't make sense for them to not fight. It was also stated that there would be a full moon on the night of the raid, meaning that inuarashi and nekomamushi will be able to use their su long forms. I honestly can't see any other character being able to take on su long inu and neko.
These matchups seem to have so much build up and seem so obvious that the only reason why people still say m3 vs calamities isn't because of any plot build up or plot necessities, but rather simply because of the fact that in previous arcs, such a format was followed. However there is one big difference between this arc and other arcs.
In other arcs we weren't fighting yonko.
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What about Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbe? Well I think their main role won't be in taking out the yonko subordinates, but rather in taking out the yonko themselves.
Yeah the only way Zoro doesn't fight King is if Luffy doesn't fight Kaido.
I am willing to bet anything if Luffy has any role at all what so ever in the defeat of Kaido, King is going down at the hands of Kaido. Your personal preferences or Zoro's power level aside.
Sanji and Jinbei are irrelevant and don't belong in the same sentence as Zoro. Especially Sanji but Zoro solos both Sanji and Jinbei at the same time at the moment
I am willing to bet anything if Luffy has any role at all what so ever in the defeat of Kaido, King is going down at the hands of Kaido. Your personal preferences or Zoro's power level aside.
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Sanji and Jinbei are irrelevant and don't belong in the same sentence as Zoro. Especially Sanji but Zoro solos both Sanji and Jinbei at the same time at the moment
As many zoro fans have stated in the past, there is a multitude of build up and foreshadowing for Zoro vs Kaido. This doesn't mean zoro will beat kaido, however given that kaido will obviously be a tag team fight, it is clear that Zoro will play a crucial role in kaido's defeat. In fact, when Luffy and Zoro were in the plaza with Queen, apoo, and the headliners, zoro specifically stated that he didn't want to take damage because he wanted to face kaido.
If zoro just wanted any strong fight, he could have taken on Queen or apoo. He didn't, because he has his mind set on kaido.
Sanji and Jinbe, due to their actions on WCI, have a lot of set up against big mom. One of big mom's only weaknesses is her hunger and out of all the people in the alliance, sanji is the only one who can exploit this weakness. I think it is inevitable that Sanji will bake another cake. Somehow, the alliance can then use this cake to take out big mom. For example, they could attack big mom while she is eating, or destroy the cake immediately after showing it to big mom, sending her into a rampage, ect.
In any case, with Luffy and others fighting kaido, the only way to bring down big mom is with a cake. @ShishioIsBack I'm sure you don't think Sanji is so incapable that he can't help bring down big mom in this way.
If zoro just wanted any strong fight, he could have taken on Queen or apoo. He didn't, because he has his mind set on kaido.
Sanji and Jinbe, due to their actions on WCI, have a lot of set up against big mom. One of big mom's only weaknesses is her hunger and out of all the people in the alliance, sanji is the only one who can exploit this weakness. I think it is inevitable that Sanji will bake another cake. Somehow, the alliance can then use this cake to take out big mom. For example, they could attack big mom while she is eating, or destroy the cake immediately after showing it to big mom, sending her into a rampage, ect.
In any case, with Luffy and others fighting kaido, the only way to bring down big mom is with a cake. @ShishioIsBack I'm sure you don't think Sanji is so incapable that he can't help bring down big mom in this way.
Sanji though I genuinely hope he doesn't fight Queen because that bastardizing Zoro beating King. Zoro is someone who deserves to be YC1+ or even low top tier after Wano, he has to fight nigh pirate king level character in Wano.
Sanji has to go fishing in all blue.
@Monkey D Theories
Here is the most logical and likely outcome
Luffy + Zoro + Kidd vs Kaido with Zoro landing the finishing blow on Kaido by beheading him. It really needs to happen if Oda wants himself to be taken seriously
Zoro vs King because cutting fire and King is a swordsman and first mate of Kaido
Kidd vs Queen due to conflict he has with him due to Udon
Luffy vs Jack because Luffy wanted to beat Jack. He has shown interest in defeating Jack a few times. Jack would be Luffy's "blueno" fight although Jack would still give Luffy mid/high diff
Raid Suit Sanji vs Page One
Jinbei vs Sasaki fishman battle.
If any of these things don't happen Wano is utter disappointment
Sanji has to go fishing in all blue.
@Monkey D Theories
Here is the most logical and likely outcome
Luffy + Zoro + Kidd vs Kaido with Zoro landing the finishing blow on Kaido by beheading him. It really needs to happen if Oda wants himself to be taken seriously
Zoro vs King because cutting fire and King is a swordsman and first mate of Kaido
Kidd vs Queen due to conflict he has with him due to Udon
Luffy vs Jack because Luffy wanted to beat Jack. He has shown interest in defeating Jack a few times. Jack would be Luffy's "blueno" fight although Jack would still give Luffy mid/high diff
Raid Suit Sanji vs Page One
Jinbei vs Sasaki fishman battle.
If any of these things don't happen Wano is utter disappointment
Issue with that is Jinbei and Sanji, especially Sanji is too fucking weak to do anything to a Yonko. Luffy and Zoro don't have that issue, plenty of fire power and will power and desire to win there.
Wedding Cake 2.0?
lmaoo if Big Mom eats Sanji's cake one more time she would cement her self as biggest joke in One Piece lmao.
Marco might have a scuffle with King tbh but I think this is time to make Zoro and Luffy as strong as Oda possibly can. Marco should not be the priority Luffy and Zoro should be.
As readers we haven't been following Marco's journey, as cool as he is and trust me I like Marco as much as the next guy, him getting lime light over secondary protagonist Zoro is simply bad decision.
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Wedding Cake 2.0?
lmaoo if Big Mom eats Sanji's cake one more time she would cement her self as biggest joke in One Piece lmao.
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Marco might have a scuffle with King tbh but I think this is time to make Zoro and Luffy as strong as Oda possibly can. Marco should not be the priority Luffy and Zoro should be.
As readers we haven't been following Marco's journey, as cool as he is and trust me I like Marco as much as the next guy, him getting lime light over secondary protagonist Zoro is simply bad decision.
Zoro vs King assumes we are getting enies lobby style fights. However this doesn't necessarily have to happen. We could and most likely will get thriller bark style fights.
in thriller bark, the SHs faced an enemy significantly stronger than themselves, such as is happening in wano. In these fights, zoro and Sanji only got mid diff fights that they easily won. However, they played a major role in defeating moria, who was a tag team fight.
I think its much more likely that fights will go down thriller bark style than enies lobby style, especially since there's no way Luffy is 1v1ing kaido.
And before you say Zoro mid diffs king, that would essentially mean that Oda would turn King into the blueno of this arc. If Oda was going to blueno-ize any yonko commander, it would be smoothie.
but would you really put that passed oda? I also honestly don't know how else Big Mom can be defeated. While many sanji fans would hate for this to happen, its honestly the most logical way to take out big mom.
but he isn't. Because the main fight of wano isn't king, its kaido. The fight against kaido will be far more important and this is where zoro will shine.
Any fights zoro will have before kaido will just be to hype up zoro. But like I said, it would be much better to use Smoothie or Who's who as a hypetool than King.
in thriller bark, the SHs faced an enemy significantly stronger than themselves, such as is happening in wano. In these fights, zoro and Sanji only got mid diff fights that they easily won. However, they played a major role in defeating moria, who was a tag team fight.
I think its much more likely that fights will go down thriller bark style than enies lobby style, especially since there's no way Luffy is 1v1ing kaido.
And before you say Zoro mid diffs king, that would essentially mean that Oda would turn King into the blueno of this arc. If Oda was going to blueno-ize any yonko commander, it would be smoothie.
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but would you really put that passed oda? I also honestly don't know how else Big Mom can be defeated. While many sanji fans would hate for this to happen, its honestly the most logical way to take out big mom.
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but he isn't. Because the main fight of wano isn't king, its kaido. The fight against kaido will be far more important and this is where zoro will shine.
Any fights zoro will have before kaido will just be to hype up zoro. But like I said, it would be much better to use Smoothie or Who's who as a hypetool than King.
Match-Ups
Page One and Ulti VS Chopper and Usopp (or Robin)
Black Maria VS Nami
Sasaki VS Franky
Who's-Who VS Brook
Jack VS Jimbei
Queen VS Sanji
King VS Zoro
Big Mom Pirates VS Waterfall
Jimbei deserves a YC-level opponent.
Boss Battles
Big Mom VS Luffy
Kaido VS Luffy (w/ Zoro)
Luffy "Brachio Bombers" Big Mom to be "good" again. Disappointing, but what do you expect from her at this point. Kaido fucks up Kid and Law before it narrows down to Luffy.
Page One and Ulti VS Chopper and Usopp (or Robin)
Black Maria VS Nami
Sasaki VS Franky
Who's-Who VS Brook
Jack VS Jimbei
Queen VS Sanji
King VS Zoro
Big Mom Pirates VS Waterfall
Jimbei deserves a YC-level opponent.
Boss Battles
Big Mom VS Luffy
Kaido VS Luffy (w/ Zoro)
Luffy "Brachio Bombers" Big Mom to be "good" again. Disappointing, but what do you expect from her at this point. Kaido fucks up Kid and Law before it narrows down to Luffy.