General & Others How disappointed would you be if the M3 didn’t fight Calamities?
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Dunno really... I'm expecting ZSJ to fight the Calamities (with or without help I'm fine)...
I think I won't be disappointed if they are to fight others in the similar level of opposition... I know whoever they will fight, Oda would glorify them...
I'm more concerned with the non-ZSJ Straw Hats to be frank... I'm with the minority, I want Oda to prove their doubters (e.g. that they can't handle Tobi Roppo/Oniwabanshu/Numbers/BM Vets) wrong...
I think I won't be disappointed if they are to fight others in the similar level of opposition... I know whoever they will fight, Oda would glorify them...
I'm more concerned with the non-ZSJ Straw Hats to be frank... I'm with the minority, I want Oda to prove their doubters (e.g. that they can't handle Tobi Roppo/Oniwabanshu/Numbers/BM Vets) wrong...
Is smoothie gonna even be in this arc by this point. By marcos words it doesnt seem like they will even play a part.
As for zoro every one was saying he was gonna take a back seat after we got the captain's panel of luffy/law/kidd yet the opposite has happened. Zoros right there with kidd and luffy as they charge toward kaido.
As for zoro every one was saying he was gonna take a back seat after we got the captain's panel of luffy/law/kidd yet the opposite has happened. Zoros right there with kidd and luffy as they charge toward kaido.
I would love Zoro fighting Kaido very early with Luffy and Kidd but in that scenario we will miss the opportunity of nice panels involving a katana action fight. In any case King is with Kaido that mean if you want to face Kaido you have remove king first. I hope Zoro is going to be the character to do that.
Why Sanji though?
What role does he have to play against top tier?
When has he shown will power drive and ambition to rival top tiers?
It really cheapens Luffy and Zoros journey, them having immense force of will, impressing multiple top tiers in their journey, trained by absolute legends, to have Sanji ending up being on similar level just for fuck sakes.
At that point may as well have Zoro find all blue and become top tier chef
What role does he have to play against top tier?
When has he shown will power drive and ambition to rival top tiers?
It really cheapens Luffy and Zoros journey, them having immense force of will, impressing multiple top tiers in their journey, trained by absolute legends, to have Sanji ending up being on similar level just for fuck sakes.
At that point may as well have Zoro find all blue and become top tier chef
That's not how straw hat power structure work. There are no commanders here, there is a captain who is Luffy with authority over entire crew and there is vice captain Zoro with authority over entire crew in Luffy's absence.
Luffy and Zoro are essentially partners same way Kidd and Killer or Roger and Rayleigh. I the eyes of One Piece world they stand out the most as members of worst gen, Zoro stands out often being confused as a captain or people being flabbergasted at the fact that Zoro is a subordinate.
In the very beginning of manga we had a chapter titled pirate king and a great swordsman with Mihawk, one of the all time legends in One Piece calling them a great team.
There will power, drive, ambition, out look on the world, desire to get stronger has always been paralleled.
Sanji does not fit into that equation and with what ever Oda has shown with Zoro, it literally bastardizing his character to be lumped in with Sanji.
Sanjis main development in his own arc was that of chef and Oda had to give him power ranger suit so he can temporarily be a threat as a fighter.
Luffy and Zoro are essentially partners same way Kidd and Killer or Roger and Rayleigh. I the eyes of One Piece world they stand out the most as members of worst gen, Zoro stands out often being confused as a captain or people being flabbergasted at the fact that Zoro is a subordinate.
In the very beginning of manga we had a chapter titled pirate king and a great swordsman with Mihawk, one of the all time legends in One Piece calling them a great team.
There will power, drive, ambition, out look on the world, desire to get stronger has always been paralleled.
Sanji does not fit into that equation and with what ever Oda has shown with Zoro, it literally bastardizing his character to be lumped in with Sanji.
Sanjis main development in his own arc was that of chef and Oda had to give him power ranger suit so he can temporarily be a threat as a fighter.
You're saying Zoro is not going to have an extreme diff 1v1 in this arc?
Kaido is irrelevant bin this situation. We've seen king act on his own. When big mom was invading and when kaido was asking for his son. King decided on his own to fix Kaido's problems for him BEFORE Kaido even told him to do anything.
What's stopping king from just deciding to protect orochi on his own without Kaido having to tell him to do it yet King has done such things TWICE already
Zoro will fight king
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Kaido is irrelevant bin this situation. We've seen king act on his own. When big mom was invading and when kaido was asking for his son. King decided on his own to fix Kaido's problems for him BEFORE Kaido even told him to do anything.
What's stopping king from just deciding to protect orochi on his own without Kaido having to tell him to do it yet King has done such things TWICE already
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Sanji and Zoro will fight King and Queen, there is no need to complicate things further 
I'm curious, what exactly makes Drake that much likely to face of against Queen than King or Jack?
Also you actually think an antagonist in one of the Tobi Roppo has a better chance of taking out Queen than one our MCs ^^". So who takes out that Tobi Roppo or do you think the Tobi Roppo are magically gonna become the alliance's allies?
Also the Tobi Roppo have been established to rank below the calamities but somehow Sanji who outclassed one of the Tobi roppo (without DJ mind you) regardless of whether he ended up taking him out or not has a less chance of taking out Queen than one of the Tobi Roppo? ^^" Bruh ur bias is clear for all to see or at least those that are not as bias as you are.
Also King v Marco, tho I get the appeal, is a pretty pointless matchup from a plot perspective and I can't believe people actually think Marco has a better chance at taking out King that one of our main protagonists. I mean what exactly does Marco beating King add to the plot and how exactly does this sequence of events aid the SHs going forward? Somehow it makes sense that Luffy somehow beats Kaiudou and encroaches on Yonkou level come end of Wano but his strongest fighters in Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe fall short of commander level
Also you actually think an antagonist in one of the Tobi Roppo has a better chance of taking out Queen than one our MCs ^^". So who takes out that Tobi Roppo or do you think the Tobi Roppo are magically gonna become the alliance's allies?
Also the Tobi Roppo have been established to rank below the calamities but somehow Sanji who outclassed one of the Tobi roppo (without DJ mind you) regardless of whether he ended up taking him out or not has a less chance of taking out Queen than one of the Tobi Roppo? ^^" Bruh ur bias is clear for all to see or at least those that are not as bias as you are.
Also King v Marco, tho I get the appeal, is a pretty pointless matchup from a plot perspective and I can't believe people actually think Marco has a better chance at taking out King that one of our main protagonists. I mean what exactly does Marco beating King add to the plot and how exactly does this sequence of events aid the SHs going forward? Somehow it makes sense that Luffy somehow beats Kaiudou and encroaches on Yonkou level come end of Wano but his strongest fighters in Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe fall short of commander level
I'm curious, what exactly makes Drake that much likely to face of against Queen than King or Jack?
Also you actually think an antagonist in one of the Tobi Roppo has a better chance of taking out Queen than one our MCs ^^". So who takes out that Tobi Roppo or do you think the Tobi Roppo are magically gonna become the alliance's allies?
Also the Tobi Roppo have been established to rank below the calamities but somehow Sanji who outclassed one of the Tobi roppo (without DJ mind you) regardless of whether he ended up taking him out or not has a less chance of taking out Queen than one of the Tobi Roppo? ^^" Bruh ur bias is clear for all to see or at least those that are not as bias as you are.
Also you actually think an antagonist in one of the Tobi Roppo has a better chance of taking out Queen than one our MCs ^^". So who takes out that Tobi Roppo or do you think the Tobi Roppo are magically gonna become the alliance's allies?
Also the Tobi Roppo have been established to rank below the calamities but somehow Sanji who outclassed one of the Tobi roppo (without DJ mind you) regardless of whether he ended up taking him out or not has a less chance of taking out Queen than one of the Tobi Roppo? ^^" Bruh ur bias is clear for all to see or at least those that are not as bias as you are.
Why on earth would Oda introduce this plot point of Tobi roppo vs Queen if it goes nowhere?
Wano isn't going to be enies lobby. I don't know why people act like it will be, but it has absolutely nothing in common with that arc.
the straw hats are facing up against an antagonist much stronger than them who they will take out in a team battle. Kaido is the main threat, not King. Hence it is okay for Marco to fight King and for Drake to fight Queen, because Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbe will have their main time to shine against kaido or big mom.
Like I said. Zoro slashing kaido like Oden did would be a much better feat than him beating King. There has also been a lot of foreshadowing for Zoro vs Kaido. While Kaido is Luffy's fight and Luffy will ultimately land the final blow, Kaido is so powerful and has so much stamina that multiple characters will get their chance to shine against him.
Zoro literally stated that he wasn't interested in fighting any of kaido's subordinates and that he didn't want to take damage because he wanted to face kaido.
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I think its too much to expect Zoro to beat the main antagonist. However, I do think its possible he could slice off Kaido's arm.
Yes. But I don't see what's so wrong with that given the arc we are in. The straw hats are facing opponents much stronger than themselves. Hence I think Oda will favor thriller bark style tag teams over enies lobby style 1v1s.
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I do think Queen & Who's Who square off but I think it is highly unlikely that Who's Who takes out Queen. Why Oda is building this up tho, I can't say for certain, tho I have my personal speculations about it. Hypothetically speaking if Who's Who does take out Queen, who takes out Who's Who? coz I'm 100% certain that he isn't joining the alliance's side. With regards to Queen and the Tobi Roppo, that's not really true. The only tobi roppo that has any sort of plot going on with Queen is Who's Who. There is as much set-up for Queen v Drake as there is for Jack v Drake or King v Drake. So not sure why Queen in particular is being picked. Especially since it's now blatantly obvious that F6 are not under Queen.
Zoro and Sanji can always fight against Kaidou and BM if required after their individual battles with the calamities. Drake taking out Queen is one ting but Marco taking out King is just bad imo. Not only does it take away potential opportunity for growth for the main characters it literally has zero plot relevance. Imo it doesn't make any sense for Luffy's strongest subordinates to play second fiddle to Marco and Drake. These characters are just allies. What u're saying is equivalent to Barto/Cavendish taking out Pica on Dressrosa. There was Kuros vs Diamante but there was very strong history there. Marco has nothing of the sorts with any of the calamities. Moreover we already have that kinda relationship between the Dukes and Jack.
How is Zoro slashing Kaidou a better feat than beating King ^^". I'm not a Zoro fan but if that's the only significant ting he does on wano then damn. Moreover how does that even help with his dream. King is most likely the strongest swordsman on Wano but let's just give King to Marco and give Zoro one badass panel of cutting Kaidou instead ^^". That would be atrocious writing imo. Regardless of whether Zoro fights Kaidou or not, it is written in stars that is gonna play second fiddle to Luffy so there's no stardom there. Zoro v King is a far better option. Zoro can cut Kaidou and the sorts after that if that is indeed Oda's plan.
Zoro and Sanji can always fight against Kaidou and BM if required after their individual battles with the calamities. Drake taking out Queen is one ting but Marco taking out King is just bad imo. Not only does it take away potential opportunity for growth for the main characters it literally has zero plot relevance. Imo it doesn't make any sense for Luffy's strongest subordinates to play second fiddle to Marco and Drake. These characters are just allies. What u're saying is equivalent to Barto/Cavendish taking out Pica on Dressrosa. There was Kuros vs Diamante but there was very strong history there. Marco has nothing of the sorts with any of the calamities. Moreover we already have that kinda relationship between the Dukes and Jack.
How is Zoro slashing Kaidou a better feat than beating King ^^". I'm not a Zoro fan but if that's the only significant ting he does on wano then damn. Moreover how does that even help with his dream. King is most likely the strongest swordsman on Wano but let's just give King to Marco and give Zoro one badass panel of cutting Kaidou instead ^^". That would be atrocious writing imo. Regardless of whether Zoro fights Kaidou or not, it is written in stars that is gonna play second fiddle to Luffy so there's no stardom there. Zoro v King is a far better option. Zoro can cut Kaidou and the sorts after that if that is indeed Oda's plan.