Questions & Mysteries How do they realistically fight
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Oda made Luffy Fight Zephyr & Shiki in Movies. He even said that Shiki was supposed to be mentioned during Shanks/WB Meeting & appear in Manga, but then He turned it into a Movie instead, i really doubt that Oda wouldn't want to draw Luffy vs a Legend as old as his Grandpa, especially when there are so many Old Characters that Oda loves to Hype, it would be strange if He didn't create one to be Luffy's Opponent
Also, Hody was 30, Doffy was 41, Katakuri was 48, Kaidou was 59
Luffy's Main Fights Post-TS keep increasing in Age, it won't be a surprise if Next Fight is against +60-70 Year Old Legend
Another detail worth mentioning is that in First Romance Dawn Ever, meaning First Prototype of One Piece before Chapter 1 came out, who did Luffy Fight? He fought an Old Pirate named Gally and his Epithet was "Crescent Moon", He wasn't Strong, but again it's just a Prototype, but at least it indicates that in Oda's Head, he does want to write a Story about Crescent-Moon Related Villain against Luffy, their Names are even similar (Gally - Garling) & both have Crescent Moon Shaped Hair (In Gally's Case it was his Moustache). It's not different than Ryuma One-Shot which teased Zoro vs Mihawk (Who is much bigger deal than his Prototype Version)
In that Chapter, Luffy was able to make Gally have a change of Heart, so it's very possible that Garling gonna end up the same, their Fight is gonna be like Zephyr Fight (But more detailed like Kata/Lucci Fights) and He will get Inspired by Luffy
Also, Hody was 30, Doffy was 41, Katakuri was 48, Kaidou was 59
Luffy's Main Fights Post-TS keep increasing in Age, it won't be a surprise if Next Fight is against +60-70 Year Old Legend
Another detail worth mentioning is that in First Romance Dawn Ever, meaning First Prototype of One Piece before Chapter 1 came out, who did Luffy Fight? He fought an Old Pirate named Gally and his Epithet was "Crescent Moon", He wasn't Strong, but again it's just a Prototype, but at least it indicates that in Oda's Head, he does want to write a Story about Crescent-Moon Related Villain against Luffy, their Names are even similar (Gally - Garling) & both have Crescent Moon Shaped Hair (In Gally's Case it was his Moustache). It's not different than Ryuma One-Shot which teased Zoro vs Mihawk (Who is much bigger deal than his Prototype Version)
In that Chapter, Luffy was able to make Gally have a change of Heart, so it's very possible that Garling gonna end up the same, their Fight is gonna be like Zephyr Fight (But more detailed like Kata/Lucci Fights) and He will get Inspired by Luffy
ya think so ?
he got a cheap shot but he instantly countered it by crushing sanji
then the giants came with another surprise attack and it looks like he got out of their grab too
i think the gorosei are gonna show advcoc and show their true combat skills real soon
only venus is in hybrid and he has hardly gotten any Ls
he got a cheap shot but he instantly countered it by crushing sanji
then the giants came with another surprise attack and it looks like he got out of their grab too
i think the gorosei are gonna show advcoc and show their true combat skills real soon
only venus is in hybrid and he has hardly gotten any Ls
I am disappointed by Elders in general but I understand that Oda doesn't want to show off too much if this is not their main fight.
Yes, I think Zoro will 100% fight and beat Venus. This is no different than Sanji attacking King in Wano...
The regeneration thing is one reason more why Venus(any Elder) should face Zoro - it keeps Zoro's overwhelming superiority in check.
It is a thing since Pica. Doesnt matter how strong you are and how much effort you put in, you cannot beat Pica/King/Venus because they have a form of invincibility, one way or another.
You have a point that the regeneration treat is not an unique trait for Venus alone so something else should be in his repertoire as well.
I suspect if Oda will ever do something with Kitetsu swords, vs Venus is the perfect opportunity.
Paralleling Ohm, who had a special sword, Venus too could have some unique treats about his sword.
He could be the first supreme grade wielder that Zoro ends up beating while his own swords are of inferior rank.
Yes, I think Zoro will 100% fight and beat Venus. This is no different than Sanji attacking King in Wano...
The regeneration thing is one reason more why Venus(any Elder) should face Zoro - it keeps Zoro's overwhelming superiority in check.
It is a thing since Pica. Doesnt matter how strong you are and how much effort you put in, you cannot beat Pica/King/Venus because they have a form of invincibility, one way or another.
You have a point that the regeneration treat is not an unique trait for Venus alone so something else should be in his repertoire as well.
I suspect if Oda will ever do something with Kitetsu swords, vs Venus is the perfect opportunity.
Paralleling Ohm, who had a special sword, Venus too could have some unique treats about his sword.
He could be the first supreme grade wielder that Zoro ends up beating while his own swords are of inferior rank.
ya think so ?
he got a cheap shot but he instantly countered it by crushing sanji
then the giants came with another surprise attack and it looks like he got out of their grab too
i think the gorosei are gonna show advcoc and show their true combat skills real soon
only venus is in hybrid and he has hardly gotten any Ls
he got a cheap shot but he instantly countered it by crushing sanji
then the giants came with another surprise attack and it looks like he got out of their grab too
i think the gorosei are gonna show advcoc and show their true combat skills real soon
only venus is in hybrid and he has hardly gotten any Ls
So it's not as simple as "This Opponent is Strong, i must become Stronger Overall", it's all about forcing a Final Exchange where a Particular Skill is Tested, it has always been like this, so don't look at it from Venus Perspective, look at it from Zoro Perspective
Hatchan Duel ended with a Test of Weapon
Mr. 1 Duel ended with a Test of Lethality
Ohm was a Test of Strength
Kaku was a Test of Technique
Ryuma was a Test of Speed
These Lessons aren't gonna be Repeated, and it's everything a Swordsman needs outside Haki.
So it doesn't matter how Skilled is Venus, No need to Test Zoro's Sword or his Lethality or Strength or Speed or force him to come up with a New Level of Techniques
Then in New World,
Hyouzou was a Test of CoO, as He tried to Attack Zoro from Behind
What was Next Lesson? CoA obviously & that's indeed how Pica Fight ended
Following Lesson Logically? CoC ofc, and that's indeed how King was Defeated
So when discussing Zoro Fights, don't look for who can give him a Tough Fight, only thing that matters is which Skill does Zoro need to show Next, meaning his Next Opponent cannot be a Better Swordsman, Zoro never Fights an Opponent who is more Skilled than him, They only serve to be Victims of his Lessons
They also must be only ones among their Peers to be able to force that Lesson out of Zoro. Meaning it doesn't matter if other Commanders are as Strong as Zoro's Opponent, They cannot Fight him cuz They can't force that Lesson out of him, cuz They either can't Prolong the Fight long enough or They don't require that Particular Skill to be Defeated at all
Venus doesn't fill these Two Conditions
He is a Master Swordsman, if his Swordsmanship is Superior then He cannot be Zoro's Opponent, so it must be Inferior
Meaning only thing preventing him from getting Defeated would be his Yokai Immortality, but it's shared with all other Gorosei, meaning whatever is the Key to Defeating him needs to be learned by multiple other Characters, and it also means that any of the Gorosei can give Zoro the same Challenge
