Powers & Abilities How does Sanji surpass Scopper Gaban if he never gets ACoC?

[Sir Yasheen]

I came to realize people just project the laziness or lack imagination unto Oda lol.

It’s probably just jealousy too. I mean Sanji has gotten two backstory arcs. That much focus is unheard of among the SHP. Him having more story to tell while most straw hats haven’t had much of an opportunity to tell there’s at all of hard to accept.

 

[kekaro]

Saying an MC’s character ended before the final saga is wild work

Is it tho, we didnt even visited ryumas grave
You know what we see in wano? The fucking mouse from kid sanjis flashback

 

[BattalGazi]

He is already stronger than him.

 

[Welkin]

Sanjis arc is far from over. The origin of his fire and why his love gives him the strength to alter his very genetic code is still left unexplained.

Oda himself said “let’s keep our eye on Sanji” in an SBS LONG after WCI.

I was aboutta say I thought I was misremembering

Didn’t Oda imply in an SBS or interview after Wano/Egghead that he has more planned for Sanji?

Can’t remember when it came out but it was definitely within the last few years

 

[kekaro]

I was aboutta say I thought I was misremembering

Didn’t Oda imply in an SBS or interview after Wano/Egghead that he has more planned for Sanji?

Can’t remember when it came out but it was definitely within the last few years

Yes, he used the phrase he says when he teases more plot/backstory for characters he doesnt want to reveal yet
its sbs 105 if i remember corectly if you want to look it up

Oda never gonna stop kicking for his fav
@Roo

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I was aboutta say I thought I was misremembering

Didn’t Oda imply in an SBS or interview after Wano/Egghead that he has more planned for Sanji?

Can’t remember when it came out but it was definitely within the last few years

Yeah the SBS 105 talked about it and how he somehow was naturally resistant to fire despite being human.

 

[Welkin]

Yes, he used the phrase he says when he teases more plot/backstory for characters he doesnt want to reveal yet
its sbs 105 if i remember corectly if you want to look it up

Oda never gonna stop kicking for his fav
@Roo

Yeah Oda loves Sanji LMFAO

Also this confirms what we already knew about something being weird regarding him

This is Oda once again telling us that he was truly born as a normal human and his resistance to fire/Diable Jambe comes from something else

Which was obvious anyway since we know his genetic ability was invisibility

It’s one of 2 things imo. Haki or there’s more to Sora’s lineage than we know

 

[Doggo]

Buffy: Who are you?
???: I'm the Cook. I'm the man who rivals the World's Strongest Swordsman.
Buffy: Bullshit. Killer is the one who rivals Roronoa Zoro.
???:Are you sure about that?
Buffy looks at Usopp, who shakes his head in a silent "no".
Buffy starts panicking.
???:Now, say my name.
Buffy: You are Vinsmoke Sanji.
Sanji: You're godamn right.

 

[Rukusho]

Yeah but the new statment is recent so he retcon hit again like Lings shit abilities

DAILY reminder:
daily reminder that oda hand drew more of a backstory to sanjis lighter btw. while he could not be arsed about putting his name about a shill novel to make it canon making 0 effort to do so I wonder who is more relevant to oda

Special shoutouts to odas wording "stop asking me about this irrelevant nikas backstory or relevancy i farted it out"

Hey man I'm just referencing what Oda said and it's simply "Sanji will never be that cool again" you can grasp on whatever you like to cope but this is the reality.

There's being conflicted, and there's believing your life has no intrinsic value and feeling guilty for existing.

Thematically, it just wouldn't be fitting for Sanji to have been capable of awakening CoC if he didn't feel worthy of living. That has changed now Sanji accepts himself and has closed the book on the trauma holding him back.

Irrespective of that, Gaban has obviously been a long time coming, so Oda may have chosen to establish his CoC first regardless of Sanji's fitness to it.

I don't think it's a bad argument with Gaban introduction.

The issue is :

- This late in the game what's the point of him having CoC besides (it looks badass)
- Sanji's fighting style and powerups don't revolve around haki its predominately science based. (not saying he doesn't use haki)
- Sanji has no advanced forms of haki now all of a sudden he'll awaken AdvCoC ? (can he even use Ryou which is needed for AdvCoC)

Just seems like a reach. The reason I brought up Zoro is because he's an anomaly its not normal to awaken CoC so late at his age (21) it seems to awaken while your a kid/child.

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Sanjis arc is far from over. The origin of his fire and why his love gives him the strength to alter his very genetic code is still left unexplained.

Oda himself said “let’s keep our eye on Sanji” in an SBS LONG after WCI.

When I say his arc is over, what I mean is the central part of his character. There is no conflicting within Sanji anymore he can still grow s an individual but it wouldn't be anything substantial like we came across during WCI and Wano.

 

[chacharealsmooth]

Considering Gorosei and Admirals are specifically saved for Rooftop 5, why does Sanji need it? It is not like he will fight anyone important at the final fight. He can barely use Armament Haki at this stage anyways, when his Armament Haki is so horribly bad, it doesn’t look convincing to give him

 

[Rukusho]

You're making shit up man, CoO is also a type of Haki and Sanji specializes on it. Zoro only got Haki boost in Wano

Oda also adressed how Sanji's CoA is important to Diable Jambe and Ifrit Jambe. Oda could've simply made his CoA irrelevant to the usage of his flames but he didn’t. Haki has always been important for Sanji its just that Zfans lack some reading comprehension

I'm not making anything up it seems like I understand more about Sanji than the lot of you. (supposed Sanji fans)

Sanjis CoA isn't as important as his science based powerups like look at this.

Sanji pre-ts
- DJ power up (science)

-- time skip --
Ivakov trained him to use CoA and CoO (basic forms nothing advanced) simultaneously improving his cooking

Sanji post-ts
- Exoskeleton (science)
- increase strength (science)
- increased speed (science)

 

[NikaInParis]

Hater better pray Sanji does unlock CoC+ACoC because if he surpasses Gaban without it, hoo boy

 

[Doggo]

- This late in the game what's the point of him having CoC besides (it looks badass)
- Sanji's fighting style and powerups don't revolve around haki its predominately science based. (not saying he doesn't use haki)
- Sanji has no advanced forms of haki now all of a sudden he'll awaken AdvCoC ? (can he even use Ryou which is needed for AdvCoC)

Just seems like a reach. The reason I brought up Zoro is because he's an anomaly its not normal to awaken CoC so late at his age (21) it seems to awaken while your a kid/child.

How do you write something so stupid in a unironical way?
Sanji's fighting style was NEVER about science.
It ISN'T about science.
The exoskeleton offers nothing more than a BOOST to his OWN fighting style.

How, HOW do someone unironically say something as dumb as this, who just shows how biased and moronic their take are without a shadow of doubt?

Seriously.
Seek help. It's just a manga.
Sanji's coc wont touch you.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Hey man I'm just referencing what Oda said and it's simply "Sanji will never be that cool again" you can grasp on whatever you like to cope but this is the reality.

I don't think it's a bad argument with Gaban introduction.

The issue is :

- This late in the game what's the point of him having CoC besides (it looks badass)
- Sanji's fighting style and powerups don't revolve around haki its predominately science based. (not saying he doesn't use haki)
- Sanji has no advanced forms of haki now all of a sudden he'll awaken AdvCoC ? (can he even use Ryou which is needed for AdvCoC)

Just seems like a reach. The reason I brought up Zoro is because he's an anomaly its not normal to awaken CoC so late at his age (21) it seems to awaken while your a kid/child.

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When I say his arc is over, what I mean is the central part of his character. There is no conflicting within Sanji anymore he can still grow s an individual but it wouldn't be anything substantial like we came across during WCI and Wano.

There’s still a lot of conflict in Sanji. Zeff commented on it in Baratie, that Sanjis stifling his own Spear of grit for no good reason.

That’s Sanjis primary conflict, the internal conflict where Sanji can stop holding back his own will.

 

[kekaro]

Hey man I'm just referencing what Oda said and it's simply "Sanji will never be that cool again" you can grasp on whatever you like to cope but this is the reality.

I don't think it's a bad argument with Gaban introduction.

The issue is :

- This late in the game what's the point of him having CoC besides (it looks badass)
- Sanji's fighting style and powerups don't revolve around haki its predominately science based. (not saying he doesn't use haki)
- Sanji has no advanced forms of haki now all of a sudden he'll awaken AdvCoC ? (can he even use Ryou which is needed for AdvCoC)

Just seems like a reach. The reason I brought up Zoro is because he's an anomaly its not normal to awaken CoC so late at his age (21) it seems to awaken while your a kid/child.

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When I say his arc is over, what I mean is the central part of his character. There is no conflicting within Sanji anymore he can still grow s an individual but it wouldn't be anything substantial like we came across during WCI and Wano.

bluddy is crying after writing essay every week to just oda to btfo him
"noo oda is finished with sanjis character arc"
"noo his powers will be science based"
Meeanwhile this is what a character in the manga SPEFICIALLY say his powers are unscientifc

So does oda:

better luck next time, try to post your fanfic on ao3


Imagine if all the zgirls invested time in the manga reading instead writing here 90 % less trafic and 100% less effort for oda to explain shit to toddler level

 

[Rukusho]

How do you write something so stupid in a unironical way?
Sanji's fighting style was NEVER about science.
It ISN'T about science.
The exoskeleton offers nothing more than a BOOST to his OWN fighting style.

How, HOW do someone unironically say something as dumb as this, who just shows how biased and moronic their take are without a shadow of doubt?

Seriously.
Seek help. It's just a manga.
Sanji's coc wont touch you.

One piece chapter 1031 he’s called the warrior of science he even breaks down why he doesn’t want the raid suit cause it offers free buffs which he got when he put it on … and he accepted this.

You’re proving my point a lot of you guys don’t know his character just want CoC

 

[Zaretball]

One piece chapter 1031 he’s called the warrior of science he even breaks down why he doesn’t want the raid suit cause it offers free buffs which he got when he put it on … and he accepted this.

You’re proving my point a lot of you guys don’t know his character just want CoC

The point of the chapter is that he would rather die at Zoro's hands than become a warrior of science though.

 

[Doggo]

One piece chapter 1031 he’s called the warrior of science he even breaks down why he doesn’t want the raid suit cause it offers free buffs which he got when he put it on … and he accepted this.

You’re proving my point a lot of you guys don’t know his character just want CoC

Do you not understand the words?
HE REJECTED BECOMING A WARRIOR OF SCIENCE.
THAT'S WHY HE DESTROYED THE RAID SUIT AND CALLED ZORO.

I swear to god people have completely lost their shame in being stupid in public. It's a fucking children's manga and this dude thinks a "boost" that comes 1000+ chapters into the story is somehow what defines a character's fighting style that hasn't changed since his intro.

The guy kicks.
That's literally all he does.
Kicks.
Flame kicks.
Combo kicks.
Extra hard kicks.
Kicks.
How is this so hard for you to understand?
I legit can't.
It's not cute anymore. this is just sad.

 

[Roo]

One piece chapter 1031 he’s called the warrior of science he even breaks down why he doesn’t want the raid suit cause it offers free buffs which he got when he put it on … and he accepted this.

You’re proving my point a lot of you guys don’t know his character just want CoC

The whole point of that chapter is that sanji rejects the warrior of science moniker.

 

[Doggo]

The whole point of that chapter is that sanji rejects the warrior of science moniker.

TASUKETE HEADCANON-CHAN! READING IS HAAAAAARD