Speculations How I see the final saga playing out
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Imo the man Caribou is working for is going to end up being a member of the underworld emperors we met in WCI. Specifically the undertaker Drug Peclo seeing how Caribou and Coribou are very serious with their funeral rites back in return to sabaody.
Whitebeard: “the world will be turned upside down when that treasure is found.”
Whitebeard: “the world will be turned upside down when that treasure is found.”
Pretty much. I used to think that Kaido and BM could join BB just to make the Rocks 2.0 complete and have a God Valley like final battle where Straw Hats and new Marines (under Fujitoras command) fight against a common threat but don't think Oda will choose this option now. Kaido also somewhat turned out to be a Joy Boy fanboy.
So Imu is strong favourite to be FV.
So Imu is strong favourite to be FV.
Imu and Cross Guild for me. Oda has already paired up one member of cross guild with a Rox Pirate through Crocodile and Whitebeard.
Moriah a potential member also fought Kaido in the past.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Mihawk has a history with a big name like Shiki from there since Shiki was supposedly a master swordsman from back when Mihawk gained fame.
Moriah a potential member also fought Kaido in the past.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Mihawk has a history with a big name like Shiki from there since Shiki was supposedly a master swordsman from back when Mihawk gained fame.
Imho, I still do not think Elbaf is the proper escalation for a major, final conflict, but rather its own thing that will eventually lead to the "big one". I dont think the military will be fought in isolation from other factions after Egghead, this is what Egghead is for (to let Luffy defeat at least l one Admiral alone). Pointers to this is just the fact that Elbaf is not even the 2nd to last (Lodestar) or potentially 3rd to last island (Law had a destination further than Kid), and you have people like Shanks leaving the location without so much as a hint to the burned man being in Elbaf.
What I think happens is:
- Egghead (Kizaru's defeat) causes Akainu to mobilize towards the end of GL to "end" Piracy, but it wont be Elbaf, just buildup to the next thing
- Saturn will get what he wants, Pacifista/Seraphim and the Mother Flame
- RA starts their assault on the WG
- CG recruits and amasses their power
- Caribou, at some point, spills the beans on the Burned Man to Blackbeard's crew after being captured/tortured(imho this is the person he has been talking about or at least retconned to be).
- If theres some semblance of the Lurking Legend/Rocks plot, itll be central to Elbaf first because of Vegapunks ties to Stussy (a Rocks pirate Clone and Underworld member)
So basically:
- Egghead and Elbaf are still buildups and self contained arcs that escalate issues/conflict
- The island after Elbaf or Lodestar will serve as the major war conflict between Akainu and the 4 Yonko (with the Burned Man)
- God Valley is in fact Uranus and the Weapon the WG uses the mother flame for, and thus will be be central to the WG being involved around this point.
- LT will be the final fight with whomever survives the above.
You can switch God Valley and LT depending on the circumstance, but I fully believe the larger war comes between Elbaf and Laugh Tale.
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Edit: Really just focusing on Elbaf, i "can" actually see it being Burned Man focused (not Saul) since he's mentioned once post Wano and again during Egghead, which when you consider relevancy of things like this (i.e. "Joker" in Punk Hazard and subsequently Kaido), it would point to the next big plotline being centered around this person.
So maybe not the "big war" just yet but Luffy fighting this "roaming Yonko" in a way since they have an RP. Then post Elbaf, they become the target of all other factions.
What I think happens is:
- Egghead (Kizaru's defeat) causes Akainu to mobilize towards the end of GL to "end" Piracy, but it wont be Elbaf, just buildup to the next thing
- Saturn will get what he wants, Pacifista/Seraphim and the Mother Flame
- RA starts their assault on the WG
- CG recruits and amasses their power
- Caribou, at some point, spills the beans on the Burned Man to Blackbeard's crew after being captured/tortured(imho this is the person he has been talking about or at least retconned to be).
- If theres some semblance of the Lurking Legend/Rocks plot, itll be central to Elbaf first because of Vegapunks ties to Stussy (a Rocks pirate Clone and Underworld member)
So basically:
- Egghead and Elbaf are still buildups and self contained arcs that escalate issues/conflict
- The island after Elbaf or Lodestar will serve as the major war conflict between Akainu and the 4 Yonko (with the Burned Man)
- God Valley is in fact Uranus and the Weapon the WG uses the mother flame for, and thus will be be central to the WG being involved around this point.
- LT will be the final fight with whomever survives the above.
You can switch God Valley and LT depending on the circumstance, but I fully believe the larger war comes between Elbaf and Laugh Tale.
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Edit: Really just focusing on Elbaf, i "can" actually see it being Burned Man focused (not Saul) since he's mentioned once post Wano and again during Egghead, which when you consider relevancy of things like this (i.e. "Joker" in Punk Hazard and subsequently Kaido), it would point to the next big plotline being centered around this person.
So maybe not the "big war" just yet but Luffy fighting this "roaming Yonko" in a way since they have an RP. Then post Elbaf, they become the target of all other factions.
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I still don’t see any possibility of a multi war happening. Oda doesn’t write those, so no reason to think he’d bog down the final war with too many groups.
The lurking legend was Cross Guild. Theyre the ones who were revealed end of wano that have a connection to Whitebeard and set up to be a great villain of the SHPs. And Elbaf being self contained basically means the WG lost an admiral and possibly a gorosei and said “well that sucks.” And didn’t retaliate.
Punching a single celestial dragon led to an assault by an admiral. Logically, shouldn’t going to war against a gorosei lead directly to an assault by the fleet admiral?
The lurking legend was Cross Guild. Theyre the ones who were revealed end of wano that have a connection to Whitebeard and set up to be a great villain of the SHPs. And Elbaf being self contained basically means the WG lost an admiral and possibly a gorosei and said “well that sucks.” And didn’t retaliate.
Punching a single celestial dragon led to an assault by an admiral. Logically, shouldn’t going to war against a gorosei lead directly to an assault by the fleet admiral?
The issue is assuming there is a "multi-war" and not assuming its just one thing.
- I cant see it being Elbaf because we just arent there yet. Too many pieces are not in place and just unknown for it to be perfect alignment to have tons of people there when Shanks left and the SHF isnt even together. It being solely Akainu's arc makes even less sense to me because he seems largely uninvolved with Elbaf's history, unlike Kizaru to Vegapunk and Egghead.
- The Lurking Legend is absolutely not Cross Guild lol, they are not at all a threat to anyone save for Mihawk. Its likely was just Rocks or Imu, the former of which potentially having been cloned because of Stussy. Rocks is tied to Whitebeard more than any other person in CG lol. If "thats" our Burned Man, or the original one is still alive, then it can make sense there. Which can have something to do with Weevil, who is, very likely, a failed Whitebeard clone. This is why I can see the Burned Man/Rocks stuff being central to Elbaf, because there is implication that VP will also be central to Elbaf.
- Elbaf having nothing to do with Marines/WG doesnt necessarily mean that they arent retaliating. Like I said, Kizarus defeat will lead to Akainu mobilizing and WG incurring next steps. What I "think" will happen is the RA will attack the WG while Akainu moves towards the end of Grand Line. I do not however, think this is Elbaf
That last point is very much the reason I fully believe the Fleet Admiral and Yonko will fight at the same time, with the RA and WG joining at later points
You have to think of this scale across multiple islands, arcs and several hundred chapters. It wont be its own small thing like Marineford, theres no capacity for that, but every remaining character is too intertwined with multiple factions to be separated things anymore.
- I cant see it being Elbaf because we just arent there yet. Too many pieces are not in place and just unknown for it to be perfect alignment to have tons of people there when Shanks left and the SHF isnt even together. It being solely Akainu's arc makes even less sense to me because he seems largely uninvolved with Elbaf's history, unlike Kizaru to Vegapunk and Egghead.
- The Lurking Legend is absolutely not Cross Guild lol, they are not at all a threat to anyone save for Mihawk. Its likely was just Rocks or Imu, the former of which potentially having been cloned because of Stussy. Rocks is tied to Whitebeard more than any other person in CG lol. If "thats" our Burned Man, or the original one is still alive, then it can make sense there. Which can have something to do with Weevil, who is, very likely, a failed Whitebeard clone. This is why I can see the Burned Man/Rocks stuff being central to Elbaf, because there is implication that VP will also be central to Elbaf.
- Elbaf having nothing to do with Marines/WG doesnt necessarily mean that they arent retaliating. Like I said, Kizarus defeat will lead to Akainu mobilizing and WG incurring next steps. What I "think" will happen is the RA will attack the WG while Akainu moves towards the end of Grand Line. I do not however, think this is Elbaf
That last point is very much the reason I fully believe the Fleet Admiral and Yonko will fight at the same time, with the RA and WG joining at later points
You have to think of this scale across multiple islands, arcs and several hundred chapters. It wont be its own small thing like Marineford, theres no capacity for that, but every remaining character is too intertwined with multiple factions to be separated things anymore.
I am considering the scale. This is a battle royale that is raging throughout the world. At this point every arc needs to lead to the final war, just like every arc in the four emperors saga led to Wano.
And the lurking legend is known as the greatest enemy ever for the Straw Hats. It’s not the burned man because the burned man isn’t going to be the final villain. Cross Guild and Imu possibly are. And cross Guild has a direct connection with whitebeard as all 3 main members were present at Whitebeards Death and other than mihawk knew him in his prime as well.
A good amount of pieces have been cast for elbaf already:
1. The world government knows Luffy plans to go there after egghead due to Lucci
2. The world government has charts and logs that can take them directly to Elbaf
3. The world government was there the day Elbafs holy lady Mother Carmel died.
The world government has been connected to Elbaf since WCI. And oda hyping up the gorosei the arc before Elbaf fits his pattern if they’re going to be villains in Elbaf.
And the Rox clone being the burned man doesn’t make much sense cause only Vegapunk and those of MADs know how to clone people, and Rox disappeared years before MADs was founded let alone before they discovered how to clone people.
And the lurking legend is known as the greatest enemy ever for the Straw Hats. It’s not the burned man because the burned man isn’t going to be the final villain. Cross Guild and Imu possibly are. And cross Guild has a direct connection with whitebeard as all 3 main members were present at Whitebeards Death and other than mihawk knew him in his prime as well.
A good amount of pieces have been cast for elbaf already:
1. The world government knows Luffy plans to go there after egghead due to Lucci
2. The world government has charts and logs that can take them directly to Elbaf
3. The world government was there the day Elbafs holy lady Mother Carmel died.
The world government has been connected to Elbaf since WCI. And oda hyping up the gorosei the arc before Elbaf fits his pattern if they’re going to be villains in Elbaf.
And the Rox clone being the burned man doesn’t make much sense cause only Vegapunk and those of MADs know how to clone people, and Rox disappeared years before MADs was founded let alone before they discovered how to clone people.
Like I said, Elbaf will do exactly this, like Egghead is. But it doesnt "need" to be the actual war, no.
Including CG with Imu is a bad call lol. Imu has at least notable 14 people under him. He doesnt need to "ally" with Buggy and Crocodile, thats pretty tone def to how Oda treats villains. If Lucci aint it to Luffy or Zoro, then Crocodile sure aint either, especially to "supposed" matchups to Sanji lol. Recycling villains does not work.
CG isnt a "lurking legend" either lol. They didnt exist before Wano. The Burned Man did, Rocks did and Imu did. A "legend" implies status among the world, to the point where they are not believed to exist anymore.
So? The Marines and CP0 were also in DR and werent main antagonists there. You can have involvement and presence and have it not directly involve these characters as antagonists.
And Weevil exists 4 years after Rocks split up, which implies Bakkin took DNA from Whitebeard somehow at that time. Which is my point. If she took WBs, she may have taken the others as well.
Again, im just playing devils advocate. If Akainu is the main antagonist of Elbaf, so be it, but there no way CG is Lurking Legend lol.
Including CG with Imu is a bad call lol. Imu has at least notable 14 people under him. He doesnt need to "ally" with Buggy and Crocodile, thats pretty tone def to how Oda treats villains. If Lucci aint it to Luffy or Zoro, then Crocodile sure aint either, especially to "supposed" matchups to Sanji lol. Recycling villains does not work.
CG isnt a "lurking legend" either lol. They didnt exist before Wano. The Burned Man did, Rocks did and Imu did. A "legend" implies status among the world, to the point where they are not believed to exist anymore.
So? The Marines and CP0 were also in DR and werent main antagonists there. You can have involvement and presence and have it not directly involve these characters as antagonists.
And Weevil exists 4 years after Rocks split up, which implies Bakkin took DNA from Whitebeard somehow at that time. Which is my point. If she took WBs, she may have taken the others as well.
Again, im just playing devils advocate. If Akainu is the main antagonist of Elbaf, so be it, but there no way CG is Lurking Legend lol.
Crocodile was the one who was given hype in Stampede, he was stated to be equal to prime Rayleigh prior to his loss to whitebeard, I wouldn’t downplay how far oda could make him go.
Don’t try and lower cross guilds importance to merely being mihawk, the trio is set up to turn the world on its head hence why it includes buggy. If he wasn’t a part of it you may have a choice, but buggys stayed on par with luffy in notoriety even being given the title of emperor. The only thing left is for him to have a title equal to pirate king when luffy attains it.
And don’t compare lucci to Croc, crocodile was always a way bigger deal.
Don’t try and lower cross guilds importance to merely being mihawk, the trio is set up to turn the world on its head hence why it includes buggy. If he wasn’t a part of it you may have a choice, but buggys stayed on par with luffy in notoriety even being given the title of emperor. The only thing left is for him to have a title equal to pirate king when luffy attains it.
And don’t compare lucci to Croc, crocodile was always a way bigger deal.
Again, they arent the Lurking Legend lol. Legend implies history long forgotten and only rumored. CG and the 3 pirates it is comprised of are not "legends", they are real people that are known to exist. Nothing is rumored about their pasts making them legends. Mihawk IS the WSS and the others are notable already. These arent legends. We only know 3 other figures currently that match the description of "Lurking Legend" (if its even something Oda is adhering to anymore lol)
I can say the same back to you, you shouldnt overhype this group outside of Mihawk's clear importance since he's not a former villain like the others and isnt a gag character like Buggy.
But I digress, do what you want lol
I can say the same back to you, you shouldnt overhype this group outside of Mihawk's clear importance since he's not a former villain like the others and isnt a gag character like Buggy.
But I digress, do what you want lol