Character Discussion How Oda ruined Big Mom

#1
If you were to tell me back in the dressrosa arc that Luffy would have to face an alliance of two yonkos at once, I would say that that is insane and there is no way that Luffy could win. This is what the big mom/kaido alliance is on paper. The greatest threat that the world has seen. This is exactly what reverie hyped the alliance to be, with Akainu's reluctance to let kizaru stop them, to the hype about this being the return of the rocks pirates, the alliance between Big Mom and Kaido should have been an insurmountable obstacle to overcome.

Yet in actuality, Oda's treatment of Big Mom has made it to where none of the tension that could have been created by such an alliance actually exists. This is due to how heavily the hand of plot hovers around big mom's head. Plot convenience is so intertwined with big mom that despite Big Mom being one of the main antagonists of this arc(on paper), nobody took her seriously. This isn't even just the fans, just look at how Luffy, Kid, and Law reacted to the news that kaido and big mom had allied. Or look at how they acted on the roof top with everyone just ignoring big mom and going straight for kaido.

Nobody cares about her.

She's not even a weak character, its just that Oda plot restricts her more than any character. Like Big Mom is an ACoC user, yet we didn't see her use ACoC the entirety of WCI. She especially didn't use it when she boarded the sunny and had the ability to 1 shot every character on that ship. Or in wano where king knocks her off her ship. This scene makes no sense. Where is prometheus? Can he not save big mom like he did back in WCI? He is there in onigashima so we can assume big mom didn't just forget about him.
Furthermore, why couldn't big mom save herself by turning a fish into a homie? We know she can create animal homies as she did it to a crocodile in WCI. Couldn't she have done that? Why is it this easy to for characters much weaker than big mom to deal with her?

Even in the onigashima war. Oda doesn't give a shit about her. He doesn't even bother to draw her actually fighting Kid and Law. We just get tiny panels of Kid and Law standing in front of big mom while she laughs. Could she turn the tide of the war? Probably, but instead she takes out 2 of the tobi roppo and subsequently fucks off.

It seems to me that big mom is a plot device first and an antagonist second. I had expectations that since she was given a fight, that maybe Oda might treat her better. But I really feel like Oda wants Kid and Law to beat her so he can write her out of the story.
 

Garp the Fist

Bwahahahaha
#2
Yeah, pretty much agree, Big Mom’s only on Wano to write her out of the story and it’s the worse for it.

Her, Kid and Law is this weird sidequest that should be important but isn’t really coming off that way.

The arc would probably just be stronger if it was Kaido alone. Kaido beats the nine scabbard, Kaido takes on the five on the roof solo, Kid and Law use their Awakenings to weaken Kaido for Luffy to eventually beat him.

Seems instead that Oda’s wanting to get to EoS strength for characters faster than that though. Big Mom‘s coming off as a sacrifice to make that happen, as is Kaido in a way.
 
#3
Yeah, pretty much agree, Big Mom’s only on Wano to write her out of the story and it’s the worse for it.

Her, Kid and Law is this weird sidequest that should be important but isn’t really coming off that way.

The arc would probably just be stronger if it was Kaido alone. Kaido beats the nine scabbard, Kaido takes on the five on the roof solo, Kid and Law use their Awakenings to weaken Kaido for Luffy to eventually beat him.

Seems instead that Oda’s wanting to get to EoS strength for characters faster than that though. Big Mom‘s coming off as a sacrifice to make that happen, as is Kaido in a way.
I always wanted Kid and Law to take on Big Mom, but its just been handled awfully. They are Luffy's rivals so imo it makes sense for them to also get the chance to defeat a yonko.
But Oda puts literally zero effort into the fight. Look at how much we got for Sanji vs Queen and compare that to Kid and Law vs Big Mom.

Oda's going to off-screen 95% of it and then just have Kid and Law throw her off onigashima in 1 chapter to wrap it up.
 
H

Herrera95

#4
with Akainu's reluctance to let kizaru stop them
0 relation to the alliance itself. Akainu stopped Kizaru because of Samurai Legend only. Ryuuma and Oden stopped Akainu to let his wardog on Yonko Alliance.
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You are completely right. Oda ruined badly BM. Although I still think she is even stronger than Kaido she doesn't live to the hype. Not sure if this make sense just like WCI and Wano arc.
 
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#5
Honestly that was my biggest disappointment with oda in 10 years of following weekly. Yonkos didnt deliver.
And the problem was...DEATH.
You can't got to war against the 2 strongest creatures in the world and their crews,when those 2 creatures also happen to be tyrants,gluttons,drunks and cannibals without a lot of people dying,let alone without anyone dying.
For 500 hundred chapters we've been hearing how terrifying those yonko are yet it turns out that there is 0 risk fuckin up their business and challenging them.

Now to the point you made,how tf does this bitch rule over a huge part of the new world,is unscarred and borderline immortal,a psycho,an uncontrollable glutton yet she has yet to kill anybody in an all out war. Just the collaterals should be terrifying the way oda presented her initially.

Onigashima started extremely promising,but it has definitely not delivered.
 
#7
Honestly that was my biggest disappointment with oda in 10 years of following weekly. Yonkos didnt deliver.
And the problem was...DEATH.
You can't got to war against the 2 strongest creatures in the world and their crews,when those 2 creatures also happen to be tyrants,gluttons,drunks and cannibals without a lot of people dying,let alone without anyone dying.
For 500 hundred chapters we've been hearing how terrifying those yonko are yet it turns out that there is 0 risk fuckin up their business and challenging them.

Now to the point you made,how tf does this bitch rule over a huge part of the new world,is unscarred and borderline immortal,a psycho,an uncontrollable glutton yet she has yet to kill anybody in an all out war. Just the collaterals should be terrifying the way oda presented her initially.

Onigashima started extremely promising,but it has definitely not delivered.
I get that this is "just a shonen", but that doesn't mean that Oda needs to make every character immune from death. Like the MCU movies are basically shonen as well and you had big deaths in those movies.
 
#8
People will just refuse to believe Big Mom is not falling here huh

at this point the story will show you how wrong you are, it's just a matter of time

Big Mom will get a big fight with Luffy and it will be great
 
#9
Big Mom will get a big fight with Luffy and it will be great
It will be fucking trash

If big mom falls in wano, at least Kid and Law get an opportunity to shine and prove themselves as Luffy's rivals. If big mom falls after wano, she's getting mid diffed by a pirate king tier Luffy. In fact if she faces the SHs after wano, Luffy might be so strong that he just lets zoro deal with her.
 
#10
It will be fucking trash

If big mom falls in wano, at least Kid and Law get an opportunity to shine and prove themselves as Luffy's rivals. If big mom falls after wano, she's getting mid diffed by a pirate king tier Luffy. In fact if she faces the SHs after wano, Luffy might be so strong that he just lets zoro deal with her.
The story will prove you and all your headcanon wrong

that's all there's to say
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#11
The time she was dealt so efficiently on WCI already explained us the basics of what her future would have likely entailed I guess.

That's when she began to be labeled as a meme by the fandoms I guess.....
 
#15
Not even Oda cares about that.Its Luffys show and story.Kidd and Law are his chearleaders

Ffs,its not a secret Luffy will become the PK.
I don't understand why some people act like big mom is such an important villain that Kid and Law can't beat her. Mate, Big Mom has only been defeated by side characters. She is literally irrelevant.

Luffy is going to surpass a stronger yonko while big mom is currently getting high diffed by Luffy's weaker rivals. Oda doesn't care about her and wrote her into wano in order to remove her from the story.
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Actually, Big Mom is fine, Kaido is in trouble and about to be ruined. :crazwhat:
imagine if big mom killed a single character who wasn't fodder
 
#18
It will be fucking trash

If big mom falls in wano, at least Kid and Law get an opportunity to shine and prove themselves as Luffy's rivals. If big mom falls after wano, she's getting mid diffed by a pirate king tier Luffy. In fact if she faces the SHs after wano, Luffy might be so strong that he just lets zoro deal with her.
The fuck is this nonsense, not even Roger can mid diff Linlin but you think Luffy who beats a weakened Kaido will mid diff that same Linlin? :milaugh:

If BM vs. Luffy does happen later on, then it will be an extreme diff battle. She will be the first fresh Yonko that he beats (assuming she doesn't get nerfed in the process).
 
#20
The fuck is this nonsense, not even Roger can mid diff Linlin but you think Luffy who beats a weakened Kaido will mid diff that same Linlin? :milaugh:

If BM vs. Luffy does happen later on, then it will be an extreme diff battle. She will be the first fresh Yonko that he beats (assuming she doesn't get nerfed in the process).
Linlin wasn’t even worth Roger’s time
but make no mistake, he would have destroyed her

his crew was stronger than the rocks pirates and that was before oden joined.
 
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