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I wonder if y'all against Zoro & Sanji soloing calamities think that only Luffy has the ability to grow though fights
. Luffy was out of his depth against Katakuri and still managed to beat him by getting stronger through the fight so why can't Zoro or Sanji do the same? Moreover both are stronger than they were coming into this arc with Zoro acquiring Enma and Sanji getting the RS power up (and we are still yet to see both go out with no restrictions). Moreover if Zoro and Sanji doesn't beat the calamities, then who does? Kid & Law? Then what happens to Kaidou and Lilin? or do y'all expect the scabbards to beat them. Even Ashura that has the most hype amongst the scabbards is only about as strong as base Jack there is no way he's beating King or Queen. Moreover these characters are only secondary characters they're not going to be getting more shine than the Zoro, Sanji or Jinbe. Lastly, we are facing off against 2 yonkou, if Zoro, Sanji and jinbe are not strong enough to face the calamities then the alliance is fck'd.
. Luffy was out of his depth against Katakuri and still managed to beat him by getting stronger through the fight so why can't Zoro or Sanji do the same? Moreover both are stronger than they were coming into this arc with Zoro acquiring Enma and Sanji getting the RS power up (and we are still yet to see both go out with no restrictions). Moreover if Zoro and Sanji doesn't beat the calamities, then who does? Kid & Law? Then what happens to Kaidou and Lilin? or do y'all expect the scabbards to beat them. Even Ashura that has the most hype amongst the scabbards is only about as strong as base Jack there is no way he's beating King or Queen. Moreover these characters are only secondary characters they're not going to be getting more shine than the Zoro, Sanji or Jinbe. Lastly, we are facing off against 2 yonkou, if Zoro, Sanji and jinbe are not strong enough to face the calamities then the alliance is fck'd.
Currently, neither of them seems strong enough to defeat King and Queen so maybe they’ll need multiple power ups on top of their last one (assuming they won’t tag team their opponent). In any case, they can’t do better than an extreme diff.
Possible power ups for Zoro :
- increased CoO and CoA after a fight against a Tobi Roppo
- full mastery of Enma
- black swords
- Sandai gets broken against a Tobi Roppo ——> Nidai ?
- CoC ?
For Sanji :
- increased CoO and CoA after a fight against a Tobi Roppo
- RS redesign (laser kicks ?)
- upgraded DJ (CoA + DJ with RS)
- DNA enhancements (exoskeleton + increased strength)
Zoro vs King :
- they’re evenly matched in base (because Zoro got Nidai)
- Zoro gets rekt by Dino King
- Zoro fully masters Enma and cuts King’s ass
- Hybrid King destroys Zoro
- Zoro unlocks CoC ?
- clash of CoC ?
- Wado Ichimonji turns into a Kokuto and Zoro wins
Sanji vs Queen :
- Base Sanji gets rekt by Dino Queen
- Sanji puts on the new RS and laser kicks Queen’s ass
- Hybrid Queen destroys Sanji
- Sanji uses upgraded DJ and they’re evenly matched
- Queen uses dirty tricks to hurt Sanji
- Sanji unlocks exoskeleton and wins
Sorry, I might have went a little too far with this fanfic.
Possible power ups for Zoro :
- increased CoO and CoA after a fight against a Tobi Roppo
- full mastery of Enma
- black swords
- Sandai gets broken against a Tobi Roppo ——> Nidai ?
- CoC ?
For Sanji :
- increased CoO and CoA after a fight against a Tobi Roppo
- RS redesign (laser kicks ?)
- upgraded DJ (CoA + DJ with RS)
- DNA enhancements (exoskeleton + increased strength)
Zoro vs King :
- they’re evenly matched in base (because Zoro got Nidai)
- Zoro gets rekt by Dino King
- Zoro fully masters Enma and cuts King’s ass
- Hybrid King destroys Zoro
- Zoro unlocks CoC ?
- clash of CoC ?
- Wado Ichimonji turns into a Kokuto and Zoro wins
Sanji vs Queen :
- Base Sanji gets rekt by Dino Queen
- Sanji puts on the new RS and laser kicks Queen’s ass
- Hybrid Queen destroys Sanji
- Sanji uses upgraded DJ and they’re evenly matched
- Queen uses dirty tricks to hurt Sanji
- Sanji unlocks exoskeleton and wins
Sorry, I might have went a little too far with this fanfic.
I wonder if y'all against Zoro & Sanji soloing calamities think that only Luffy has the ability to grow though fights. Luffy was out of his depth against Katakuri and still managed to beat him by getting stronger through the fight so why can't Zoro or Sanji do the same? Moreover both are stronger than they were coming into this arc with Zoro acquiring Enma and Sanji getting the RS power up (and we are still yet to see both go out with no restrictions). Moreover if Zoro and Sanji doesn't beat the calamities, then who does? Kid & Law? Then what happens to Kaidou and Lilin? or do y'all expect the scabbards to beat them. Even Ashura that has the most hype amongst the scabbards is only about as strong as base Jack there is no way he's beating King or Queen. Moreover these characters are only secondary characters they're not going to be getting more shine than the Zoro, Sanji or Jinbe. Lastly, we are facing off against 2 yonkou, if Zoro, Sanji and jinbe are not strong enough to face the calamities then the alliance is fck'd.
. Luffy was out of his depth against Katakuri and still managed to beat him by getting stronger through the fight so why can't Zoro or Sanji do the same? Moreover both are stronger than they were coming into this arc with Zoro acquiring Enma and Sanji getting the RS power up (and we are still yet to see both go out with no restrictions). Moreover if Zoro and Sanji doesn't beat the calamities, then who does? Kid & Law? Then what happens to Kaidou and Lilin? or do y'all expect the scabbards to beat them. Even Ashura that has the most hype amongst the scabbards is only about as strong as base Jack there is no way he's beating King or Queen. Moreover these characters are only secondary characters they're not going to be getting more shine than the Zoro, Sanji or Jinbe. Lastly, we are facing off against 2 yonkou, if Zoro, Sanji and jinbe are not strong enough to face the calamities then the alliance is fck'd.
What does Luffy not getting a clean 1 v 1 have to do with anything ^^" It's not like that has ever stopped Oda before. Moreover, Kaidou and Lilin are different class in comparison to the calamities. Also you say sheer number of people but how many of the people on the alliance side do you actually think are stronger or more relevant than Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe?
It simply speaks to the entitlement of the Zoro and Sanji fanbases. Your argument was they were going to get on because reasons, when not even Luffy is going to have that. Your argument was “well they can just grow,” while ignoring that one of the characters hasn’t had a fight the entire New World, and you expect him to be on commander level immediately. Forget that we had to see Luffy struggle to even get to Katakuri’s level, and beyond, no, these two are just going to be on it for reasons.
Regarding your last line, Ashura, Denjiro, Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Killer, and probably Bepo (as he is Law’s second, though it’s debatable), are stronger than Sanji. And when the other supernova join the alliance, and I think they will, they too, will be stronger than Sanji.
Regarding your last line, Ashura, Denjiro, Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Killer, and probably Bepo (as he is Law’s second, though it’s debatable), are stronger than Sanji. And when the other supernova join the alliance, and I think they will, they too, will be stronger than Sanji.
Zoro and Sanji will NOT solo King or Queen and that's the only thing I know for sure. It took Luffy a lot of effort, plot and PU to be able to compete with Katakuri.
Sanji and Zoro will not suddenly solo a commander because of a sword or a suit. Zoro and Sanji have literally 0 feats that proves that they will be able to do it and not only that it would probably mean that Zoro was stronger than Luffy since the timeskip which we know isn't true.
Although G4 stomped Doffy hard Luffy still needed tons of help to defeat him and Doffy is around YC 2 and YC3.
So if they try to solo them they will suffer some nasty defeat.
Sanji and Zoro will not suddenly solo a commander because of a sword or a suit. Zoro and Sanji have literally 0 feats that proves that they will be able to do it and not only that it would probably mean that Zoro was stronger than Luffy since the timeskip which we know isn't true.
Although G4 stomped Doffy hard Luffy still needed tons of help to defeat him and Doffy is around YC 2 and YC3.
So if they try to solo them they will suffer some nasty defeat.
Tengu was only relevant when the swords(Oden’s) were, besides nothing really indicated he went with them. On the other hand, Sandai was the only sword Zoro has that is cursed it’s possibly the reason Zoro has all these demonic aura attacks as well as the great moment he had with the sword would go to waste tbh lastly it would put shame on Zoro if one of his swords were to be broken.
Sanji versus Blueno happens way, way after they're all aware of why Robin ran away and not confused nor hut anymore by her departure. Sanji knew what was going on when he couldn't wipe an 800 douriki CP9's ass. I mean, not only you have a flashback right after that scene you mentioned which shows that Sanji knew all along that Robin was lying, but Nami has already explained to him the whole situationby Den Den Mushi. So you basically have no point here.
What ha occured in the New World? He didn't have much problems to blitz Oven and stop Daifuku's giant genie, and recently he didn't seem to suffer against Page One. And It's not like we've had a proper battle arc like Arabasta or Enies Lobby for us to check.
By the way:
-Queen is the one who sent the Tobi Roppo to kill Sanji (and they failed).
-Queen is the Beast pirate who uses science as a weapon to hurt people. Sanji had a debate with Nami about using science and thought about its benefits to protect people.
-Queen shares the same quirky personality regarding women and relationships that many of Sanji's enemies had: Mr. 2, Jabra and Absalom were all put in a women situation at some point.
-Stealth Black counterpart in the Power Rangers franchise is the black ranger who, in the Dino Thunder series, not only has the power of invisibility but has the brachiosaur as his thematic dinosaur.
-King and Queen's animosity reminds of that of Zoro and Sanji, Mr. 1 and Mr. 2 or Kaku and Jabra.
Sure, no hint at all. While it isn't a must that Sanji will face Queen, denying the possibility is baseless. If Oda wants it to happen it will happen, simple as that.
Sanji is Luffy's left wing, one of the Straw Hats strongest fighters and has consistently faced and defeated the third strongest member of the enemy group (sometimes arguably the second, especially in Kuroobi's case). I mean, the argument Luffy proposed to the alliance to infiltrate Whole Cake and take him back was that he's strong as hell.
Sooner or later he will match, if not surpass, the tier of a Yonko Commander. That's basically a must and if you can't see it then you should stop understanding this manga with that mindset of a "BRUH MOUNTAIN LEVEL ATTACK" thinker that Oda unlikely shares.
What ha occured in the New World? He didn't have much problems to blitz Oven and stop Daifuku's giant genie, and recently he didn't seem to suffer against Page One. And It's not like we've had a proper battle arc like Arabasta or Enies Lobby for us to check.
By the way:
-Queen is the one who sent the Tobi Roppo to kill Sanji (and they failed).
-Queen is the Beast pirate who uses science as a weapon to hurt people. Sanji had a debate with Nami about using science and thought about its benefits to protect people.
-Queen shares the same quirky personality regarding women and relationships that many of Sanji's enemies had: Mr. 2, Jabra and Absalom were all put in a women situation at some point.
-Stealth Black counterpart in the Power Rangers franchise is the black ranger who, in the Dino Thunder series, not only has the power of invisibility but has the brachiosaur as his thematic dinosaur.
-King and Queen's animosity reminds of that of Zoro and Sanji, Mr. 1 and Mr. 2 or Kaku and Jabra.
Sure, no hint at all. While it isn't a must that Sanji will face Queen, denying the possibility is baseless. If Oda wants it to happen it will happen, simple as that.
Sanji is Luffy's left wing, one of the Straw Hats strongest fighters and has consistently faced and defeated the third strongest member of the enemy group (sometimes arguably the second, especially in Kuroobi's case). I mean, the argument Luffy proposed to the alliance to infiltrate Whole Cake and take him back was that he's strong as hell.
Sooner or later he will match, if not surpass, the tier of a Yonko Commander. That's basically a must and if you can't see it then you should stop understanding this manga with that mindset of a "BRUH MOUNTAIN LEVEL ATTACK" thinker that Oda unlikely shares.
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that's the thing tho. I feel like it would be too much of a power escalation to give these guys multiple power ups in one arc. There are still other arcs post wano.
a marine arc is all but confirmed
so is elbaf
Luffy doesn't need to surpass the beast pirates this arc and Frankly I feel like it would be too much of an escalation for them to do so.
Like Zoro didn't even seem to be above YC3 pre-enma. The only other character to make a jump that big(sub YC3 to YC1+) in a timespan that small was Luffy but as we know Luffy is a special case as he is the main character. Its also important to note that before defeating katakuri, Luffy defeated cracker in the very beginning of the arc. If Oda wanted to have Zoro 1v1 King, he should have properly set it up in act 1. Same with Sanji and Queen.
rather, Sanji failed to take out Page one and was shown as slightly weaker than drake. On a similar note Zoro took out Killer and fainted from getting stabbed by him.
I fail to see how any of this translates to them being able to 1v1 King and Queen.
a marine arc is all but confirmed
so is elbaf
Luffy doesn't need to surpass the beast pirates this arc and Frankly I feel like it would be too much of an escalation for them to do so.
Like Zoro didn't even seem to be above YC3 pre-enma. The only other character to make a jump that big(sub YC3 to YC1+) in a timespan that small was Luffy but as we know Luffy is a special case as he is the main character. Its also important to note that before defeating katakuri, Luffy defeated cracker in the very beginning of the arc. If Oda wanted to have Zoro 1v1 King, he should have properly set it up in act 1. Same with Sanji and Queen.
rather, Sanji failed to take out Page one and was shown as slightly weaker than drake. On a similar note Zoro took out Killer and fainted from getting stabbed by him.
I fail to see how any of this translates to them being able to 1v1 King and Queen.
Man you really dislike Sanji lolz...the fact that you're tyrna play even Bepo off as stronger than Sanji is enough for me to know that you just can't be objective about him 
. I personally don't think any of those you've mentioned will be more relevant than him (whether the strongest scabbards are stronger is debatable but even that won't last long imo) but guess we'll see in a few weeks. :cheers:
. I personally don't think any of those you've mentioned will be more relevant than him (whether the strongest scabbards are stronger is debatable but even that won't last long imo) but guess we'll see in a few weeks. :cheers:You're acting like as if Luffy's fights are written the same way as Everyone's fights?
Thriller bark had luffy win without a clean 1v1 except the first time he fought Moriah and he got beaten by Moriah. Same as Luffy getting owned in Act 1 then he owns Kaido in the war outside of a clean 1v1.
Anha? So are you saying its impossible? Luffy can clearly remain the MC without a clean 1v1. The point of Luffy's fights are to highlight is tenacity. That's why he ALWAYS loses the first round and comes back. Thats why he always has the final blow even if there's interference or help from outside forces. That's why he always beats the main villain.
Then Zoro always fights the second strongest who always turns out to be a swordsman in a clean 1v1 because thats literally the point of his dream, he has to win 1v1 always.
This extends to all the other strawhats. There are explicit points Oda adds in all these big climactic battles that are specifuc for the person fighting.
And once again, I've shown you the thing you are saying can't happen has already happened before so...
Thriller bark had luffy win without a clean 1v1 except the first time he fought Moriah and he got beaten by Moriah. Same as Luffy getting owned in Act 1 then he owns Kaido in the war outside of a clean 1v1.
Anha? So are you saying its impossible? Luffy can clearly remain the MC without a clean 1v1. The point of Luffy's fights are to highlight is tenacity. That's why he ALWAYS loses the first round and comes back. Thats why he always has the final blow even if there's interference or help from outside forces. That's why he always beats the main villain.
Then Zoro always fights the second strongest who always turns out to be a swordsman in a clean 1v1 because thats literally the point of his dream, he has to win 1v1 always.
This extends to all the other strawhats. There are explicit points Oda adds in all these big climactic battles that are specifuc for the person fighting.
And once again, I've shown you the thing you are saying can't happen has already happened before so...