How strong is Morel ? Compared to Zodiac and Phantom Troupe ?

[Extravlad]

Why would it include nen and hatsu tho ? When Gon stated that statement hes never seen Knuckle's ability or ren or anything. Taijustsu means any unarmed fighting. So yes a brawl without Crazy Slots, or Nen

Because they literally fought Knuckle using nen.
Dunno where you got the idea there was ever a nenless fight between Knuckle and Gon/Killua.

Also the entire point of that Kite comparison was that Gon believed Knuckle should already be in NGL because he was just that strong, Why the heck would he come to this conclusion from a nenless brawl?

Shalnark is literally his worst matchup. Once Shalnark easily puts the antennae in him he deactivates his ability and kills him.

Sharnalk would be dead long before that. Squadron Leaders are totally out of his league both as nen users and physically speaking.

Welfin is featless and was getting penetrated by Ikalgo's bullets and couldnt dodge them. Hes literal fodder for every PT. Shizuku puts holes in him and sucks up his blood. Matchi beheads him. Franklin puts more holes in him then Ikalgo.

Ikalgo is stronger than a lot of the troupe members.
He was commanding foot soldiers and we've seen foot soldiers force the troupe to use their hatsus.
Shizuku admitted she could have lost to a mere ant underling to a squadron leader too. Dunno where you get the idea she has any chance vs one.

Non of them callled him strong...I rest my case. Ging glazed Leorio to high heaven....no one here says Leorio can beat Shizuku in a fight.

Being called an admirable warrior, making Pitou wanna leave her position to fight you because you best her in the manipulation war, making Youpi call you amazing. Yea those are strength statements.
Ging never praised Leorio for being a strong nen user so whatever.

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the ants gon fought are different and no way u got CA gon above phinx or uvogin ?

They're no different actually. Regular foot soldiers with nen abilities. If anything the ones Gon fought were stronger since they were fighting in their best habitat (a bat and an owl in night time) and he still folded them 1v2.
CA Gon is in the same tier as Phinks. Uvo is stronger than both.

Fun fact : squadron leaders aren’t on the same level of strength

Outliers aside (Meleoron) they're all quite close. Zazan has very little arguments to claim being the strongest considering unlike Leol/Cheetu she didn't receive further amps from Pouf.

Now how does he perform against uvogin in a direct fight ?

As I told you if Rabid Dog can get past Uvo's defense there's no reason to assume Deep Purple can't.

U won’t hype wing’s physical abilities just cause gon is his student
Knuckles is also more suited for direct combat

Because there's no evidence Wing is a better nen user than CA arc Gon and only taught him the basics,
I would hype Biscuit over Gon because he is her student though.

No, I am just not impressed by deep purple
It’s feat is killing fodder soldiers .

Sure but you're ignoring that we have other examples of strong fighters such as Hisoka being overwhelmed by mere puppets/manipulated humans and deep purple soldiers scale above those.

 

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Because they literally fought Knuckle using nen.
Dunno where you got the idea there was ever a nenless fight between Knuckle and Gon/Killua.

Also the entire point of that Kite comparison was that Gon believed Knuckle should already be in NGL because he was just that strong, Why the heck would he come to this conclusion from a nenless brawl?


Sharnalk would be dead long before that. Squadron Leaders are totally out of his league both as nen users and physically speaking.


Ikalgo is stronger than a lot of the troupe members.
He was commanding foot soldiers and we've seen foot soldiers force the troupe to use their hatsus.
Shizuku admitted she could have lost to a mere ant underling to a squadron leader too. Dunno where you get the idea she has any chance vs one.


Being called an admirable warrior, making Pitou wanna leave her position to fight you because you best her in the manipulation war, making Youpi call you amazing. Yea those are strength statements.
Ging never praised Leorio for being a strong nen user so whatever.

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They're no different actually. Regular foot soldiers with nen abilities. If anything the ones Gon fought were stronger since they were fighting in their best habitat (a bat and an owl in night time) and he still folded them 1v2.
CA Gon is in the same tier as Phinks. Uvo is stronger than both.


Outliers aside (Meleoron) they're all quite close. Zazan has very little arguments to claim being the strongest considering unlike Leol/Cheetu she didn't receive further amps from Pouf.


As I told you if Rabid Dog can get past Uvo's defense there's no reason to assume Deep Purple can't.


Because there's no evidence Wing is a better nen user than CA arc Gon and only taught him the basics,
I would hype Biscuit over Gon because he is her student though.


Sure but you're ignoring that we have other examples of strong fighters such as Hisoka being overwhelmed by mere puppets/manipulated humans and deep purple soldiers scale above those.

Morel is STRONK!

 

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Because they literally fought Knuckle using nen.
Dunno where you got the idea there was ever a nenless fight between Knuckle and Gon/Killua.

Also the entire point of that Kite comparison was that Gon believed Knuckle should already be in NGL because he was just that strong, Why the heck would he come to this conclusion from a nenless brawl?


Sharnalk would be dead long before that. Squadron Leaders are totally out of his league both as nen users and physically speaking.


Ikalgo is stronger than a lot of the troupe members.
He was commanding foot soldiers and we've seen foot soldiers force the troupe to use their hatsus.
Shizuku admitted she could have lost to a mere ant underling to a squadron leader too. Dunno where you get the idea she has any chance vs one.


Being called an admirable warrior, making Pitou wanna leave her position to fight you because you best her in the manipulation war, making Youpi call you amazing. Yea those are strength statements.
Ging never praised Leorio for being a strong nen user so whatever..

When I say Nen I mean Nen principles like KO and Ken, not random Ten. We dont know if Gon has seen that. Nor had he seen his ability till then. Again Knuckle is eqivalent to Kite in Taijustsu....unarmed fighting that was the statement. No Crazy Slots or Nen Principles like KO or Ken are mentioned. Knuckle isnt as strong as Kite when both are using their abilities and would get his ass beat. Similarly Hisoka would beat the bricks outta Chrollo if they both didnt use Hatsu.

Yh fucking delusion lol. Squadron Leaders bar Zazan are fucking featless. Theyve done nothing of note. Each of their abilities are extremely individualistic.

Ikalgo is on the same tier as the Ants the Phantom Troupe beat. Factually no stronger than Pike who Shizuku beat. He then went on to beat 2 squadron leaders. And when did Shizuku ever state she wouldve lost ? I dont remember that.

Literally not one strength statement lmao. How is being called amazing a strength statement. And how is that any different to being called worthwhile by Ging.

 

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When I say Nen I mean Nen principles like KO and Ken, not random Ten. We dont know if Gon has seen that. Nor had he seen his ability till then. Again Knuckle is eqivalent to Kite in Taijustsu....unarmed fighting that was the statement. No Crazy Slots or Nen Principles like KO or Ken are mentioned. Knuckle isnt as strong as Kite when both are using their abilities and would get his ass beat. Similarly Hisoka would beat the bricks outta Chrollo if they both didnt use Hatsu.

I don't think he was excluding nen principles at all but I agree that Ike obviously didn't include their abilities
Knuckle~Kite without their hatsus is what Gon is saying. And he believes that therefore Knuckle is strong enough to get into NGL
Both are conjurers, no one gets an edge in enhancement unlike Hisoka over Chrollo.

fucking delusion lol. Squadron Leaders bar Zazan are fucking featless. Theyve done nothing of note. Each of their abilities are extremely individualistic.

Meleoron seems to heavily disagree with you since he power scales Killua by saying he feels as strong as a Squadron Leader.
Furthermore even if it isn't the most accurate thing in the world the Squadron Leaders got roughly the same numbers in Togashi's stats chart

Zazan didn't get any amp from Pouf unlike Leol/Cheetu. She only looked strong because Feitan allowed her to.

Ikalgo is on the same tier as the Ants the Phantom Troupe beat. Factually no stronger than Pike who Shizuku beat. He then went on to beat 2 squadron leaders. And when did Shizuku ever state she wouldve lost ? I dont remember that.

You're actually right on that one but that's because Ikalgo actually ain't a squadron leader he's a captain just like Pike. Both are stronger than any of the ants Phinks/Kalluto/Bono fought though
Shizuku told Pike he could'be stopped the bleeding by filling his holes. It was their only win con so yea he lost cause he was stupid asf it was a close one

Literally not one strength statement lmao. How is being called amazing a strength statement. And how is that any different to being called worthwhile by Ging.

All these statements literally relate to strength. They're either said during a battle, after a battle or looking forward to a battle
Gong's statement had nothing to do with fighting he's praising Leorio as a person

Also Killua called Morel "amazingly strong" when he met him.

 

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They're no different actually. Regular foot soldiers with nen abilities. If anything the ones Gon fought were stronger since they were fighting in their best habitat (a bat and an owl in night time) and he still folded them 1v2.
CA Gon is in the same tier as Phinks. Uvo is stronger than both.

nope , they are very different
these ants are extremely diverse , they got different abilities and they can have a huge gap between them despite being on the same rank

take rammot and another officers as an example
gon and killua failed in defeating rammot , they said their attacks didnt work

yet they were able to mid diff other officers individually
killua also fought an officer who was 10x stronger than the officer gon fought .

the same goes with squadron leaders
melereon , welfin and that lobster are not even close to ants like zazzan or hagya

As I told you if Rabid Dog can get past Uvo's defense there's no reason to assume Deep Purple can't.

why not ?
shadow beasts were hyped as pretty good nen users ,
i am not going to gift an enhancement feat to some manipulator

Because there's no evidence Wing is a better nen user than CA arc Gon and only taught him the basics,

and is there evidence for morel being a stronger combatant than knuckle ?
in a direct fight atleast

Sure but you're ignoring that we have other examples of strong fighters such as Hisoka being overwhelmed by mere puppets/manipulated humans and deep purple soldiers scale above those.

??
the fuck are u waffling abt
are u really comparing morel to someone of chrollo'caliber ?
hisoka's fight against chrollo is different

hisoka's main issue was chrollo , not the puppets
chrollo literally had a 1 shot move which can beat hisoka

not only that but he can imbue his puppets with sun and moon which are amped by post mortem nen

whats morel gonna do ? hit hisoka with his pipe ?
such bullshit .

 

[Extravlad]

nope , they are very different
these ants are extremely diverse , they got different abilities and they can have a huge gap between them despite being on the same rank

take rammot and another officers as an example
gon and killua failed in defeating rammot , they said their attacks didnt work

yet they were able to mid diff other officers individually
killua also fought an officer who was 10x stronger than the officer gon fought .

the same goes with squadron leaders
melereon , welfin and that lobster are not even close to ants like zazzan or hagya

Rammot is literally an officer. He outranks all the ants that Phinks,Bonolenov and Kalluto fought and needed their hatsus to beat.

And Killua oneshotted him without even using his hatsu. Yet another case of a palace hunter badly outperforming the feats of the PT vs ants.

All ants have a general level or else Meleoron would not powerscale Killua to Squadron Leader level when he first stalks him and Gon.

Zazan would get cooked by Leol if she fought him instead of Morel in that church. We also know from Pike that Bihorn is physically stronger than her and he's one of the most irrelevant squadron leaders.

why not ?
shadow beasts were hyped as pretty good nen users ,
i am not going to gift an enhancement feat to some manipulator

The Shadow Beasts are complete garbage. They got stomped by the troupe in spite of having a number advantage and those weren't even all the best troupe fighters. Fodder ants put up more of a fight vs the troupe than them.

Nen rookie Kurapika before even using Chain Jail also badly outperformed them

and is there evidence for morel being a stronger combatant than knuckle ?
in a direct fight atleast

Morel has direct combat Ws vs Squadron Leaders while being massively nerfed by the fact that he spent most of his aura to handle Pitou's puppets. This feat puts him above Feitan.

the fuck are u waffling abt
are u really comparing morel to someone of chrollo'caliber ?
hisoka's fight against chrollo is different

Morel's smoke soldiers are better than Chrollo's puppets. I never compared the two overall.

There's plenty of moments in the fight where Hisoka drops his guard, gets grabbed, is overwhelmed and gives openings and that is without sun and moon being activated.

Morel can definitely badly injure Hisoka if he strikes him when his guard is down. Hisoka is a regular human who got his fingers broken by a super nerfed Razor throw (lost the momentum when his clone caught it) in spite of protecting himself with Bungie Gum.

 

[zenox]

Rammot is literally an officer. He outranks all the ants that Phinks,Bonolenov and Kalluto fought and needed their hatsus to beat.

How does that counter my argument ??
I used rammot as an example to prove that there is a huge disparity between ants on the ranking , same thing with the rhino officer killua fought .

All ants have a general level or else Meleoron would not powerscale Killua to Squadron Leader level when he first stalks him and Gon.

Great now compare meleoreon to hagya in terms of combat

Zazan would get cooked by Leol if she fought him instead of Morel in that church.

The church was extremely situational too

We also know from Pike that Bihorn is physically stronger than her and he's one of the most irrelevant squadron leaders.

No , that’s not what pike said
All pike said that even bihorn can’t get out of his webs, That does not put bihorn above zazan .

The Shadow Beasts are complete garbage. They got stomped by the troupe in spite of having a number advantage and those weren't even all the best troupe fighters.

Hmm it’s almost as if the troupe are strong
Btw the shadow beasts were mafia’s best fighters
So whenever u see a mafia nen user , u best believe the shadow beasts are portrayed over them ,

Nen rookie Kurapika before even using Chain Jail also badly outperformed them

Kurapika whose hatsu is tied with his life ?

Morel has direct combat Ws vs Squadron Leaders

So does ikalgo

This feat puts him above Feitan.

No it doesn’t lol , how does beating hagya put him above someone who can summon a fucking sun ?
feitan also beats morel really fuckin hard
Good luck trying to argue that .

Morel's smoke soldiers are better than Chrollo's puppets. I never compared the two overall.

There's plenty of moments in the fight where Hisoka drops his guard, gets grabbed, is overwhelmed and gives openings and that is without sun and moon being activated.

Morel can definitely badly injure Hisoka if he strikes him when his guard is down. Hisoka is a regular human who got his fingers broken by a super nerfed Razor throw (lost the momentum when his clone caught it) in spite of protecting himself with Bungie Gum.

Again , hisoka was in a battle of attrition against chrollo where he had to look out for chrollo every fuckin time
The same won’t happen here
These conditions are just really different .

also idk why u are downplaying hisoka through razor’s attack
It’s not like morel is proved to have more power than razor

razor’s attack was also = to his emission
It was his specialty
While enhancement is not close to a manipulator .
hisoka also didn’t use any advanced nen technique there .