Powers & Abilities How upset would you be if Mihawk didn’t have conquerors?
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Kaido? The dude who's ideology and dream died with him?
The dude who said acoc was the deciding factor.... but still lost to the ultimate df awakening?
Or big mom who also lost to df awakenings and not haki?
Idk. Seems to me that your claim is based on the symbolic words of a dying man. Yanno. The whole reason for why kaidos fighting. Like did you miss that part?
I'm not coping for shit. It's blatantly obvious that after 20 damn years... sanjis not falling behind. No matter how much you wish it was true. I mean the structure for one pieces progression as a story has had a set precedent for 20 damn years.
Why in the fuck would it change now? Sanji doesn't need acoc. He's on zoros tier without it. What's gonna change from now and eos that means he needs it?
That precedent has always canonically been
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The dude who said acoc was the deciding factor.... but still lost to the ultimate df awakening?
Or big mom who also lost to df awakenings and not haki?
Idk. Seems to me that your claim is based on the symbolic words of a dying man. Yanno. The whole reason for why kaidos fighting. Like did you miss that part?
I'm not coping for shit. It's blatantly obvious that after 20 damn years... sanjis not falling behind. No matter how much you wish it was true. I mean the structure for one pieces progression as a story has had a set precedent for 20 damn years.
Why in the fuck would it change now? Sanji doesn't need acoc. He's on zoros tier without it. What's gonna change from now and eos that means he needs it?
That precedent has always canonically been
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Anyone who says admirals are weaker than mihawk are insane, also ALL admirals have CoC.
With that said, mihawk couldnt be shanks'practicing bag without having strong haki so he should have coc aswell.
Have we ever seen mihawk swimming?
Dont be surprised if turns out to have a sword.
At this point, the requisite for having CoC is plot convinience
With that said, mihawk couldnt be shanks'practicing bag without having strong haki so he should have coc aswell.
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Have we ever seen mihawk swimming?
Dont be surprised if turns out to have a sword.
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At this point, the requisite for having CoC is plot convinience
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At the end of the day using zoro to say mihawk has it makes as much sense as saying the admirals have it because Koby does
Koby dream is to become an admiral the same way zoro’s dream is to be wss. Both dreams being pretty much fully strength based. With both Koby and zoro getting it with those goals in mind.
Just like we can’t use Koby to say the admirals 100% have haki it makes no sense to do that with mihawk
Also like we agree on both agree on you really don’t need a grand ambition to have conquerors. Whitebeard and Katakuri being the prime examples
At the same time having a grand ambition also doesn’t mean you’ll have it. Characters like crocodile, Moria, the admiral, even judge or king being examples of that.
Fighting zoro doesn’t mean you need to have it. King didn’t, shiryu likely doesn’t, and whoever he fights this arc probably doesn’t either
As for what mihawk could have I imagine some cool abilities related to his eyes and blade. We’ve seen the types of boost lesser blades give you so I imagine one of the strongest blades does even more. And with his weird eyes they have to do something cool
Koby dream is to become an admiral the same way zoro’s dream is to be wss. Both dreams being pretty much fully strength based. With both Koby and zoro getting it with those goals in mind.
Just like we can’t use Koby to say the admirals 100% have haki it makes no sense to do that with mihawk
Also like we agree on both agree on you really don’t need a grand ambition to have conquerors. Whitebeard and Katakuri being the prime examples
At the same time having a grand ambition also doesn’t mean you’ll have it. Characters like crocodile, Moria, the admiral, even judge or king being examples of that.
Fighting zoro doesn’t mean you need to have it. King didn’t, shiryu likely doesn’t, and whoever he fights this arc probably doesn’t either
As for what mihawk could have I imagine some cool abilities related to his eyes and blade. We’ve seen the types of boost lesser blades give you so I imagine one of the strongest blades does even more. And with his weird eyes they have to do something cool
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You can say that Zoro and Coby dreams are similar but not in the cotext of our CoC conversation and I've already made the arguments why.
You cite Moria and Crocodile as examples but they are two losers who didn't achieve their goals.
You cite the Admiral post but the story never said it was equivalent to King/King Ambition.
Albert bears the name King given to him by Kaido but doesn't really have that title and never aspired to it.
IDC about Judge because I don't remember his story well.
In the whole of One Piece, only two dreams have been labelled as Kingly Ambitions in the context about CoC (PK and WSS)
Mihawk is a character who achieved his dream and stands at the top in his category of fighters. He is unlike any of the characters you listed.
We see Zoro getting closer to his dream of becoming WSS and his main boost for post ts is AdCoC.
Literally everything is screaming for the presence of Mihawk's CoC, this whole thread is pointless.
You cite Moria and Crocodile as examples but they are two losers who didn't achieve their goals.
You cite the Admiral post but the story never said it was equivalent to King/King Ambition.
Albert bears the name King given to him by Kaido but doesn't really have that title and never aspired to it.
IDC about Judge because I don't remember his story well.
In the whole of One Piece, only two dreams have been labelled as Kingly Ambitions in the context about CoC (PK and WSS)
Mihawk is a character who achieved his dream and stands at the top in his category of fighters. He is unlike any of the characters you listed.
We see Zoro getting closer to his dream of becoming WSS and his main boost for post ts is AdCoC.
Literally everything is screaming for the presence of Mihawk's CoC, this whole thread is pointless.
First off probably has conquerors…at the same time I do think they’re are think that stop it from being a 100% lock in
1. For better or worse just about every conquerors we’ve met in story are all tied to luffy in some way or another. From people like Chinjao to Yamato to even Rayleigh. Every single one has some ties to luffy. With luffy pretty much always having to eventually show superiority over them as a conqueror. It either being through beating them or them wanting to help him more than they do themselves mihawk and luffy not really having much of a relation
2. Mihawk isn’t zoro. Yes he’s the wss and zoro dream opponent but at the end of the day he isn’t him. That doesn’t mean mihawk is weak or zoro is stronger than him. I just mean it in the sense I don’t think mihawk needs to have every single ability zoro has and other way around. Zoro having conquerors and that being one of the major deciding factors in his victory could be interesting.
- As for Rayleigh another character that parallels zoro having it so mihawk needs it too. Mihawk also isn’t Rayleigh so it doesn’t mean much
- Then when it comes to if mihawk doesn’t have it does that mean zoro will never fight one? I personally think zoro is gonna beat him before luffy becomes pirate king when the strawhats beat the other emperors for the one piece. That and zoro will get a fight post mihawk so it isn’t impossible
4. His partner in crime crocodile doesn’t seem to have it. Crocodile like mihawk does give the vibe that he would be a conqueror but seemingly isn’t. The same can be said about Moria if/when he joins. All were very ambitious individuals that have fought emperors in their younger years, lost some ambition, and will get it back under buggy
- Maybe they’ll surprise everyone by eventually showing it off or maybe none end up with it
- It’d be fucked up but funny as hell if buggy is the only one that end up getting it
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Don’t know how true this is but I saw this
Now you want to believe databooks.
Gag character? What's makes him a gag character?
Is it because Mihawk can easily cut an iceberg the size of multiple mountains with a casual non-name non-haki attack? A feat need a Big Mom nor Garp can achieve even while using a name attack or haki.
Is is because Luffy stated Mihawk was too strong to face during Marineford while he had no problem facing 3 admirals at the same time?
Is it because Mihawk can use CoO/FS to inject future events into an opponent or even face a YC without even focusing on them. A feat Kaido can't achieve even with FS.
Is it because Buggy believe Mihawk's strength is enough to take on 3 Yonkos and their crew?
I shouldn't expect much for someone who doesn't think becoming the WSS is a feat.
It should be clear by now that Oda uses anyone in the manga to hype up Mihawk. No wonder we haven't seen even a small percentage of his true power. Imagine Shanks walking up to Kaido, insulting him in front of his crew and nothing happens except Kaido pours him a drink.
The subordinate thing is completely irrelevant when we have characters like zoro, Rayleigh, Katakuri, Chinjao, oden, sengoku, Garp, and koby with it despite being subordinates. Some of them being subordinates for most their lives. The admirals are the top of the marines downplaying them as mere subordinates not fit to get conquerors makes no sense
Koby getting it to achieve his dream already makes it a kingly ambition
Same with whitebeard getting it for his goal of making and protecting his family automatically makes it a kingly ambitioun.
The ambitions of conquerors aka kings are kingly ambitions…
Another name for conquerors haki is literally king’s haki. You can’t just downplay every other conqueror in the series by saying only wanting to be pirate king or wss are kingly ambitious.
Having kingly ambition is something they all automatically have by sheer fact they all have kings haki. And if any of them were asked that same question they’d be able to answer it in their own way
And again mihawk having it because zoro does mean as much as saying the admirals have it because koby
Koby getting it to achieve his dream already makes it a kingly ambition
Same with whitebeard getting it for his goal of making and protecting his family automatically makes it a kingly ambitioun.
- You don’t need to achieve your goal or else ace or Chinjao wouldn’t have it. Downplaying how ambitious crocodile and Moria are means nothing
- Koby getting it to achieve his dream automatically makes it the ambition of a king/conqueror
- King 100% wants to live up to kaido’s expectations. Also you do realize you don’t have to be a literal king to have conquerors right?
- Judge was ambitious and that’s all that you need to know
The ambitions of conquerors aka kings are kingly ambitions…
Another name for conquerors haki is literally king’s haki. You can’t just downplay every other conqueror in the series by saying only wanting to be pirate king or wss are kingly ambitious.
Having kingly ambition is something they all automatically have by sheer fact they all have kings haki. And if any of them were asked that same question they’d be able to answer it in their own way
And again mihawk having it because zoro does mean as much as saying the admirals have it because koby
