Questions & Mysteries How will nerfed Loki perform against Imu?

How well will Loki perform against Imu?


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Have you ever read any fictional story at all lol? Gaban didn’t take any fall damage

Did Luffy ever acknowledge that he had fully healed from Wano? I guess Kizaru was fighting a heavily nerfed Luffy after all
You mean the luffy that was knocked out sleeping for 2 weeks and than multiple days than not more bandaged?



Coping out of your mind

You will be set free when shanks dies in the most horrific way soon :endthis:
 
Loki is in treatment like, 6 chaps prior to Gaban or so. Idk how long that was in verse, but I think Loki was in treatment a good minute longer at least, though nothing crazy. If Imu wasn't around Loki would also be *carried around*. Well not literally, but you know what I mean. He doesn't have a choice though, he has to deal with it. If things get out of hand for the SHP, I imagine Gaban will be back in action as well, maybe within the next 5-10 chaps.

Like, Loki literally has a doctor saying he's out, we don't need to overthink this lol.
Gerd said that like 40 chapters ago, most casuals probably don’t ever remember that.

If Loki really is heavily nerfed, don’t you think we’ll get some line acknowledging that he’s still not a full capacity? If we get no such statement during the Imu fight, would you admit that Oda probably doesn’t think that Loki is still nerfed?
 


You mean the luffy that was knocked out sleeping for 2 weeks and than multiple days than not more bandaged?



Coping out of your mind

You will be set free when shanks dies in the most horrific way soon :endthis:
It was explicitly stated that Luffy was still recovering even after he woke up. We never got any explicit statement that he had fully recovered by Egghead, so unfortunately we still have to assume that Luffy is nerfed even to this day. Poor Wizaru 😔
 
Gerd said that like 40 chapters ago, most casuals probably don’t ever remember that.

If Loki really is heavily nerfed, don’t you think we’ll get some line acknowledging that he’s still not a full capacity? If we get no such statement during the Imu fight, would you admit that Oda probably doesn’t think that Loki is still nerfed?
Loki being injured was a big plot point before the flashback and Imcel though. It was built up like he was going to fight the SHP before falling down. It would be strange if Oda genuinely forgets that.

No, because we already have a statement lol. I don't think Loki will be nerfed after the arc is over, just within the timeframe where he was given fatal wounds very recently. Why don't you need a statement from King and Queen saying they're nerfed?
 
Loki being injured was a big plot point before the flashback and Imcel though. It was built up like he was going to fight the SHP before falling down. It would be strange if Oda genuinely forgets that.

No, because we already have a statement lol. I don't think Loki will be nerfed after the arc is over. Why don't you need a statement from King and Queen saying they're nerfed?
The narrative purpose of Loki’s injuries was to delay him and the M3 from going up to the Sun World and give the HKs time to fuck shit up.

Be honest, is the only reason why you’re pushing the “Loki is totally gonna be heavily nerfed against fucking Imu bro” argument is because you want to extract a confession out of me that King and Queen were fully recovered when GB destroyed them, lol?
 
The narrative purpose of Loki’s injuries was to delay him and the M3 from going up to the Sun World and give the HKs time to fuck shit up.

Be honest, is the only reason why you’re pushing the “Loki is totally gonna be heavily nerfed against fucking Imu bro” argument is because you want to extract a confession out of me that King and Queen were fully recovered when GB destroyed them, lol?
I just dislike going against past statements based on assumptions. If Oda wants to establish that Loki is in full health, that's his choice, but it currently hasn't happened yet, so we should stick with what we know.
 
I just dislike going against past statements based on assumptions. If Oda wants to establish that Loki is in full health, that's his choice, but it currently hasn't happened yet, so we should stick with what we know.
It’s been established that Luffy can recover very quickly by eating a ton of food (presumably because of his God Fruit). Seeing as how Loki is a fellow God Fruit user, he probably functions in a similar way
 
It’s been established that Luffy can recover very quickly by eating a ton of food (presumably because of his God Fruit). Seeing as how Loki is a fellow God Fruit user, he probably functions in a similar way
Bro, would you assume Imcel can do it too because he has a god fruit? That's kind of a specific luffy thing at the moment, tied to him being inspired by Goku or whatever.

We can maybe re open a Convo after Elbaf ends and if Oda never mentions the plot point again, but ATM, there's zero reason to assume Loki is suddenly in full health.
 
Bro, would you assume Imcel can do it too because he has a god fruit? That's kind of a specific luffy thing at the moment, tied to him being inspired by Goku or whatever.

We can maybe re open a Convo after Elbaf ends and if Oda never mentions the plot point again, but ATM, there's zero reason to assume Loki is suddenly in full health.
Doesn’t Oda usually do the “these characters ate such a huge meal that they became a sphere” gag as an excuse to have them heal up very quickly? I don’t remember him doing it for very many characters besides Luffy.
 
Doesn’t Oda usually do the “these characters ate such a huge meal that they became a sphere” gag as an excuse to have them heal up very quickly? I don’t remember him doing it for very many characters besides Luffy.
Don't get lost in semantics, he wanted to emphasize that Loki was nerfed, so he did
 
Don't get lost in semantics, he wanted to emphasize that Loki was nerfed, so he did
That was done to serve as an excuse for Loki and co to stay away from the Sun World for a bit, so that the HKs could cause problems and create some tension.

As with Luffy, Oda had Loki eat a comically large amount of food to quickly heal up. If I recall correctly, Oda hasn’t drawn Loki with bandages ever since he returned to the Sun World. If Loki’s still supposed to be nerfed by his injuries in Oda’s mind, don’t you think it’s kinda weird he’s not drawing Loki with bandages or injuries? I guess it could be a drawing error, but bandages are extremely easy to draw
 
Loki is nerfed in terms of HP (maybe stamina), not AP.

And I still find it funny that we're ignoring it was basically fucking fodder like Gunko. Shamz didn't even get involved himself.
Gunko nearly killed Gaban the second he couldn't defend himself, and Loki was taking attacks from her. Her arrows have been portrayed as extremely lethal(She's stronger than Doffy, btw)

And yes, Shamrock did get involved. He attacked Loki before leaving
 
Gunko nearly killed Gaban the second he couldn't defend himself, and Loki was taking attacks from her. Her arrows have been portrayed as extremely lethal(She's stronger than Doffy, btw)

And yes, Shamrock did get involved. He attacked Loki before leaving
Gunko only punched and kicked Loki though, she never stabbed him
 
Gunko only punched and kicked Loki though, she never stabbed him
She uses her arrow power semi off screen while Loki screams, and it either kills one of his friends, or hits Loki straight up, but fair enough.

There's still no reason to assume any DF user in verse survives the attack that Shamrock hit Loki with while in seastone
 
She uses her arrow power semi off screen while Loki screams, and it either kills one of his friends, or hits Loki straight up, but fair enough.

There's still no reason to assume any DF user in verse survives the attack that Shamrock hit Loki with while in seastone
We’ve seen guys like Zolo survive even more fatal injuries than being stabbed in the abdomen 3 times.

The narrative purpose of Loki being injured was to serve as an excuse to let the HKs run amok in the Sun World for a while before the heavy hitters returned, and also to potentially set up a future Loki vs Shamrock fight. Now that Imu himself is on Elbaf, it really doesn’t even make sense to have Loki be nerfed. Imu should logically be a step above a fully healthy Loki, seeing as how Shanks was confident that Loki would lose if he attacked the WG, and Xebec thought the Nidhogg and some other God Fruit were both necessary to beat Imu. Not to mention that Loki presumably isn’t even Awakened yet, so he’s not even at his prime yet (with Prime Loki still scaling below Imu based on Xebec’s plan and also common sense).

If Oda draws Loki with bandages or has him state he’s still feeling weakened from his injuries, then I’ll admit in a heartbeat that he’s still nerfed even though I don’t see the point of it. Until then, it seems like Oda probably just pulled the “This character ate a comically large amount of food, became a balloon, and fully recovered” gag to handwave away Loki’s injuries.

Besides, we already know that strong characters have an inhumanly fast recovery speed, and Loki is one of the strongest characters, with a top 5 Mythical Zoan on top of that, which should boost his recovery factor even more
 
I think that with the context of Imu being so powerful, there's no such thing as a bad showing. But this is the Luffy show. He's Nika. Loki is only going through the same motions as a dozen other characters prior to that intervention
Luffy had tons of stronger allies. He may be the one to drive Imu away after Loki, but Loki will have his very good showings.
 
We’ve seen guys like Zolo survive even more fatal injuries than being stabbed in the abdomen 3 times.
Being nerfed by Seastone makes up for this, since it makes DF users entirely vulnerable. Ace goes from a YC level character to *completely vulnerable* to the fodder executioners. It's a plot device. Oda is emphasizing Loki's wounds as major, so it is, we don't need to overthink OP

Same with Gaban going from stronger than Gunko, to being one shot once he was vulnerable for a second. It doesn't necessarily make sense, but this happens with Oden, Roger, Garp and Shanks, so make of it what you will.

As for the broader argument, I can agree to disagree for now. I'll wait for an explicit statement to counter the one we got, but maybe at the end of Elbaf, we can open up the discussion again if Oda doesn't do anything with it.
 
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