General & Others How will you feel if Sanji fights and solos King?

[chacharealsmooth]

Ill be disappointed due to the fact, there's 0 justification in the powerscaling


Sanji vs Vergo ( you can argue both ways) so even... Law defeats him
Doffy- Easily defeats Sanji, didnt even use haki to defend against Sanji's DJ. Doffy also defeated Law who sliced Vergo up in 1 slice
Zou- Couldnt get away or defeat Bege
WCI- Then later lost to his father, who was at best Snack Level
Also Sanji didnt have an extreme diff 1v1
Wano- He gets a raid suit and is (presumably) fighting at a level much higher than Doffy who grilled Sanji medium rare

I got the powerscalling so far off, I dont even get it, it makes no sense,

Also Sanji hasnt even been shown coating up his leg in COA

Edit: If he went extreme diff with Oven or Daifuku I can see somewhat of a justification, but he didnt.

Now my question is, is this raid suit a godly power up?

Powerscaling is weird in OP though. Sanji, Zoro (even though he was injured) and Usopp got neg diffed against Arlong in 1 vs 3 and were at the power level to take down 3-4 Arlongs at the same time post-Alabasta. Sanji, in the same arc with just couple of chapters difference, went from being neg diff material to Blueno to give a beating to Jabra. Another example? In WCI, Sanji went from being crushed by Daifuku’s genie’s halberd to being able to easily match much larger genie’s halberd, whose swings destroyed several ships at the same time.
It logically doesn’t make sense, but this has been the way Oda had portrayed things throughout the entire manga. Sanji probably trained in that one week too and he was already giving a clean beating to Page One at the beginning of the arc. I can totally see Oda making logic for Sanji nearing YC levels with this training. Same procedure also applies for Zoro and Luffy too.

 

[Ballel]

I will be pleasantly surprised. Oda has been treating Sanji poorly fight wise and imo Sanji should be able to defeat a character like King. He's in the future pirate King's crew after all and the series is nearing its end!

 

[Finalbeta]

Edit: you can't feel what is not happening

And this is never occurring

 

[MonsterZoro]

This loser would never fight king let alone make contact with him.

 

[sanjikun]

I just don't see how Sanji is going to get over the fact that King is a swordsman. I said before that if he's beating Queen, he's already ~ King level, so that's not the issue. It's just fighting style.

Maybe Oda switches things up. We'll see.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Too sudden for Sanji to beat someone of that caliber. Unless King is for some reason weaker than we think. But if he fights and beats him, so be it. I don't mind Sanji taking down a strong guy for once.

I'm still thinking the F6 are the real big matches for the top strawhats. If Yamato is supposed to be facing Ulti and is poised to be a moderately strong future crew member (people keep saying Yamato might be part of the "monster" group), I can 100% see:

Whos Who vs Zoro
Sasaki vs. Jinbe
Page 1 vs. Sanji (I think P1 is stronger than we think tbh)
Ulti vs Yamato
Black Maria vs. Nami/Carrot

With:

- Brook vs. Hotei
- Robin vs. Fukurokuju
- Franky, Chopper and Usopp vs. Numbers


Outside of Luffy, I dont think the strawhats are ready for Calamity/Yonko level threats. And guess what? They don't have to be. Law, Kid and Marco are all here, and I can see all 3 take on Jack, Queen and King respectively. Not to mention, who knows what Drake, Hawkins and Apoo will do, but I'd love to see Killer vs. Drake and Hawkins vs. Apoo (assuming Hawkins is now supporting Law) or something.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Ill be disappointed due to the fact, there's 0 justification in the powerscaling


Sanji vs Vergo ( you can argue both ways) so even... Law defeats him
Doffy- Easily defeats Sanji, didnt even use haki to defend against Sanji's DJ. Doffy also defeated Law who sliced Vergo up in 1 slice
Zou- Couldnt get away or defeat Bege
WCI- Then later lost to his father, who was at best Snack Level
Also Sanji didnt have an extreme diff 1v1
Wano- He gets a raid suit and is (presumably) fighting at a level much higher than Doffy who grilled Sanji medium rare

I got the powerscalling so far off, I dont even get it, it makes no sense,

Also Sanji hasnt even been shown coating up his leg in COA

Edit: If he went extreme diff with Oven or Daifuku I can see somewhat of a justification, but he didnt.

Now my question is, is this raid suit a godly power up?

You got to take into account this is water 7 fir the SH. They all will get massive powerups and the raid suit is massive. Sanji didnt really get togo all out in wci so we don't know his level

 

[RecoomeBoom]

Ill be disappointed due to the fact, there's 0 justification in the powerscaling


Sanji vs Vergo ( you can argue both ways) so even... Law defeats him
Doffy- Easily defeats Sanji, didnt even use haki to defend against Sanji's DJ. Doffy also defeated Law who sliced Vergo up in 1 slice
Zou- Couldnt get away or defeat Bege
WCI- Then later lost to his father, who was at best Snack Level
Also Sanji didnt have an extreme diff 1v1
Wano- He gets a raid suit and is (presumably) fighting at a level much higher than Doffy who grilled Sanji medium rare

I got the powerscalling so far off, I dont even get it, it makes no sense,

Also Sanji hasnt even been shown coating up his leg in COA

Edit: If he went extreme diff with Oven or Daifuku I can see somewhat of a justification, but he didnt.

Now my question is, is this raid suit a godly power up?

I don't feel like you're being fair with your points

Doffy vs Sanji is similar to Apoo vs Luffy/Zoro. They did not know the abilities. Although I still think Sanji would lose high difficulty.

Zou and Germa were non fights, there were too many extraneous stipulations

Sanji has CoA, why is this still an argument?

Sanji has never shown his full power so we don't even know where he stands. Now with RS, he's even stronger.

 

[bennbeckman]

Powerscaling is weird in OP though. Sanji, Zoro (even though he was injured) and Usopp got neg diffed against Arlong in 1 vs 3 and were at the power level to take down 3-4 Arlongs at the same time post-Alabasta. Sanji, in the same arc with just couple of chapters difference, went from being neg diff material to Blueno to give a beating to Jabra. Another example? In WCI, Sanji went from being crushed by Daifuku’s genie’s halberd to being able to easily match much larger genie’s halberd, whose swings destroyed several ships at the same time.
It logically doesn’t make sense, but this has been the way Oda had portrayed things throughout the entire manga. Sanji probably trained in that one week too and he was already giving a clean beating to Page One at the beginning of the arc. I can totally see Oda making logic for Sanji nearing YC levels with this training. Same procedure also applies for Zoro and Luffy too.

That's the one thing that's off for me, the logic behind Sanji's compared to Luffy's. Luffy fought off 2 commanders, learned new tricks etc. Sanji, no shown training, no shown increase in strength from Dressrosa to WCI now out of nowhere he wears a raidsuit and is (presumably) YC1 level. I also would be ok with the training aspect if they showed Sanji training at the same time Zoro and Luffy were as well.

I dont mention Zoro, in all reality we dont really know where he is at strength wise, etc, there isnt enough data nor has he been close to being pushed to extreme or shown his full power.

Right now im gonna sit back and see what direction Oda takes this

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I don't feel like you're being fair with your points

Doffy vs Sanji is similar to Apoo vs Luffy/Zoro. They did not know the abilities. Although I still think Sanji would lose high difficulty.

Zou and Germa were non fights, there were too many extraneous stipulations

Sanji has CoA, why is this still an argument?

Sanji has never shown his full power so we don't even know where he stands. Now with RS, he's even stronger.

Sanji has not been shown to Coat his Legs, im well aware it metnions he has CoA, that definitely makes a difference in terms of high level battles.

B. Based of Luffy's battles vs Cracker and Doflamingo it is safe to say that's what level Doffy hovers around.

Point 1.extreme high in comparison to Luffy. Doffy defeated Sanji very low diff, and sanji's COO couldnt detect Doffy's strings

Zou point, however you want to slice it, that ended up with Sanji being taken away and brought by Capone to WCI

His COO also faltered against his father in their duel and his father was shown to defeat and overpower him

His skirmishes with Oven and Daifuku (who I believe are stronger than PO based off their knowledge and ability to use Haki) were not extreme diff battles. and blocked that genies sword attack. So lets assume he's around that level at that point.

So it takes Luffy, Doffy, Cracker, and add on top of that haki blooming in his battle with Katakuri to reach YC1 level,

But it takes Sanji (the points I mentioned above) no extreme diff battles, etc. and he gets a raid suit and all the sudden he's at Kings level.

So my question to you is How much of a power up does the raid suit make Sanji? 2 fold? 3 fold? 5 fold? 10 fold?

Post automatically merged: Aug 20, 2020

You got to take into account this is water 7 fir the SH. They all will get massive powerups and the raid suit is massive. Sanji didnt really get togo all out in wci so we don't know his level

Im not taking anything pre time skip into account for this particular argument/discussion

Also raid suit and DJ are totally different power ups