General & Others I’m unable to comprehend the narrative purpose of making Rocks this OP
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I agree with a lot of this.
I want to say Roger failed, and all the previous Joyboy incarnations failed, because of different reasons. I had believed Roger committed certain sins that cost him "Heaven's Acceptance Criteria". For example, we hear stories of how Roger had killed people without regard for them. This is particularly evident in Luffy, Sabo, and Ace's interactions with Naguri (Roger destroyed his ship and defeated his crew, and he spent the rest of his life trying to fix the ship = suffering to this person because it stopped their dream). Roger also seemed to have knowledge of the Void Century before he began his journey. Luffy, however, has no such knowledge. Some of this is speculation.
So... I want to say Roger failed because he committed sins against Heaven and Xebec failed because he didn't even try to appeal to Heaven. Xebec acts as though Heaven doesn't exist.
For example, Xebec's stunt at Mariejois was futile, and he put very important people in jeopardy for it.
So I would suggest this game also proposes an "alignment points" system for good and bad acts.
For "good points" Roger was on his way to 100 (full points) but then he plummeted into "bad points" several times. This resulted in him being forsaken by Heaven and doomed to failure.
The "soft lock" you speak of is related to who is blessed by Heaven and who isn't.
It might read... Roger was "revered" status, and he was on his way to "exalted", but the sins he committed forced him to have "exiled" status meaning forsaken by Heaven.
I want to say Roger failed, and all the previous Joyboy incarnations failed, because of different reasons. I had believed Roger committed certain sins that cost him "Heaven's Acceptance Criteria". For example, we hear stories of how Roger had killed people without regard for them. This is particularly evident in Luffy, Sabo, and Ace's interactions with Naguri (Roger destroyed his ship and defeated his crew, and he spent the rest of his life trying to fix the ship = suffering to this person because it stopped their dream). Roger also seemed to have knowledge of the Void Century before he began his journey. Luffy, however, has no such knowledge. Some of this is speculation.
So... I want to say Roger failed because he committed sins against Heaven and Xebec failed because he didn't even try to appeal to Heaven. Xebec acts as though Heaven doesn't exist.
For example, Xebec's stunt at Mariejois was futile, and he put very important people in jeopardy for it.
So I would suggest this game also proposes an "alignment points" system for good and bad acts.
For "good points" Roger was on his way to 100 (full points) but then he plummeted into "bad points" several times. This resulted in him being forsaken by Heaven and doomed to failure.
The "soft lock" you speak of is related to who is blessed by Heaven and who isn't.
It might read... Roger was "revered" status, and he was on his way to "exalted", but the sins he committed forced him to have "exiled" status meaning forsaken by Heaven.
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Well, I'm not saying he's doing it right on purpose. Luffy kind of just stumbled onto the winning formula by accident. Or possibly because of influence of past lives, or Inherited Will, or the Nika Fruit giving him subconscious "hints" about what he might need to succed on his journey. Luffy just has the cheat codes. Luffy is not some secret chessmaster, he's just lucky. And "blessed" in a lot of ways that he's not even aware of.
I'm not necessarily saying it's a literal game everyone's playing. I'm more saying that Oda is using game-like mechanics to influence his writing. He's inspired by video game mechanics, but it might not be a literal plot point. It might be more about having the right attitude, which can lead to success. The biggest lesson of this nearly 30 year story might be to have some patience and not be in a rush to get to the ending. Patience leads to power.
...But, it COULD be a literal plot point. This all might be a game the Four Gods are playing against each other for fun. So far, the God Fruits seem to be based on things kids like to do for fun. Whether it's using their imagination, or pretending to be cartoons, or playing board games. So, this entire thing COULD be a game that the gods are playing, ala the Greek Gods with the Trojan War.
I guess my assumption is that you're going to need the One Piece Treasure, whether you want to be the King of the Pirates OR the King of the World. You need the Treasure to do either. One sets the World free, and the other puts it under your rule. Two different alternate endings, depending on how you choose to use it.
Because...well, "One Piece" is right in the name of the story. It's probably going to be a key component of whatever any of the main characters and villains want to accomplish. It's something everyone fights over to get, something everyone wants, because it can help them accomplish multiple different things, probably. Even if Rocks never said he wants to find the One Piece Treasure, Rocks probably would NEED to get the One Piece Treasure, to accomplish what he wants to accomplish. Because that's just the kind of story this is.
Mind you, I'm not even sure if Rocks knew that the One Piece Treasure even existed? The One Piece Treasure didn't actually become world famous until after Roger's execution, with him announcing it to the world. Rocks was supposedly dead on God Valley YEARS before that. So, I'm not sure if Rocks ever even knew about the Treasure. Maybe that's something he learned from talking with Imu in the butterfly garden? But, Rocks was still learning how this world actually worked. So, even if he new about the "One Piece", he probably wouldn't have been calling it that, himself. Rocks didn't mention the One Piece, because Roger hadn't given it that name yet. But, it still could be a important part of actually achieving his goal of ruling the world. Rocks just never learned about it, because Rocks never reached Laugh Tale (which also wasn't called that yet).
I'm not necessarily saying it's a literal game everyone's playing. I'm more saying that Oda is using game-like mechanics to influence his writing. He's inspired by video game mechanics, but it might not be a literal plot point. It might be more about having the right attitude, which can lead to success. The biggest lesson of this nearly 30 year story might be to have some patience and not be in a rush to get to the ending. Patience leads to power.
...But, it COULD be a literal plot point. This all might be a game the Four Gods are playing against each other for fun. So far, the God Fruits seem to be based on things kids like to do for fun. Whether it's using their imagination, or pretending to be cartoons, or playing board games. So, this entire thing COULD be a game that the gods are playing, ala the Greek Gods with the Trojan War.
I guess my assumption is that you're going to need the One Piece Treasure, whether you want to be the King of the Pirates OR the King of the World. You need the Treasure to do either. One sets the World free, and the other puts it under your rule. Two different alternate endings, depending on how you choose to use it.
Because...well, "One Piece" is right in the name of the story. It's probably going to be a key component of whatever any of the main characters and villains want to accomplish. It's something everyone fights over to get, something everyone wants, because it can help them accomplish multiple different things, probably. Even if Rocks never said he wants to find the One Piece Treasure, Rocks probably would NEED to get the One Piece Treasure, to accomplish what he wants to accomplish. Because that's just the kind of story this is.
Mind you, I'm not even sure if Rocks knew that the One Piece Treasure even existed? The One Piece Treasure didn't actually become world famous until after Roger's execution, with him announcing it to the world. Rocks was supposedly dead on God Valley YEARS before that. So, I'm not sure if Rocks ever even knew about the Treasure. Maybe that's something he learned from talking with Imu in the butterfly garden? But, Rocks was still learning how this world actually worked. So, even if he new about the "One Piece", he probably wouldn't have been calling it that, himself. Rocks didn't mention the One Piece, because Roger hadn't given it that name yet. But, it still could be a important part of actually achieving his goal of ruling the world. Rocks just never learned about it, because Rocks never reached Laugh Tale (which also wasn't called that yet).
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What’s the use if Luffy will have to depend on others.
It just frustrates because this reflective of who I’m, I always find myself needing help to accomplish some of my goals which leaves me frustrated and angry as I wanna brag to others that I’m so good I accomplished X, Y and Z alone, I’m projecting how I wanna see myself on luffy as the MC and Roger and it’s just frustrating knowing they only achieved what they did due to help and circumstances(plot)
It just frustrates because this reflective of who I’m, I always find myself needing help to accomplish some of my goals which leaves me frustrated and angry as I wanna brag to others that I’m so good I accomplished X, Y and Z alone, I’m projecting how I wanna see myself on luffy as the MC and Roger and it’s just frustrating knowing they only achieved what they did due to help and circumstances(plot)
it is the name of the story for Luffys and the Great Pirate Era purposes,OP was known of but Rocks clearly had no interest in it. Assumptions are never fun, Rocks own words were he simply needs 2 DFs and a Harold to eat the Elbaph one in order for his plan to work. Which was returning to take out Imu. The One Piece holds the secrets of the void century and the past in this case Rocks clearly has insight and knows more than anyone else, i mean he clearly knew of Imu or something more than just 5 Elders, CD, Nobles. He went straight to the Flower Room spoke with Imu and left on his own accord.
