General & Others I don’t get it with Enma

[NAMELESS]

After rereading wano
Enma didn’t make zoro stronger rather it changed his mentality that was holding him back when he finally let it go that’s when he became stronger

“How should I stabilise my haki then ?! If i have to exuding it at this level it will kill me “

from the looks of it the only reason why zoro was holding back it’s because he didn’t want to die ?
bro it’s new fucking world you can’t hold back at anything and expect to grow.

don’t make sense why zoro was holding back in the first place
I feel like oda randomly made that shit up

Well, Luffy needs to run away when he runs out of COA during Gear 4. Imagine if something like this happened to Zoro. "A scar on the back is a shame for swordsman".

 

[JoNdule]

G4 isn't a powerup and luffy can beat ycs with g2/3 just like he did with g4

Since g4 drains him and requires lots of haki

 

[HA001]

lmao you really arguing that g4 or enma suck is not haki use?

it doesn't matter how they are used retard. both is still haki being used. But only one is at risk of dying because of too much use. And it's specifically mentioned that it's emma doing that. Not zolo. Emma is magic sword clown. Doesn't matter how much you clowns deny it.

No it's not. Luffy is using haki on himself. He runs out of g4 cause he can't maintain the hardening for long.

Enma is taking zoros haki out. Using haki =/= losing haki

 

[MonochromeYoru]

No it's not. Luffy is using haki on himself. He runs out of g4 cause he can't maintain the hardening for long.

Enma is taking zoros haki out. Using haki =/= losing haki

magic sword

 

[NikaInParis]

Even after all this time y'all find new ways to explain away the Magic Blade: Remote Oden Haki Storage

 

[Wizak08]

You’re misunderstanding.
Zoro is just misdirecting the haki that Enma was pulling. Zoro himself is not flowing that haki, the hakis already flowing, Zoro is just controlling the direction to stablize his haki.

I disagree, this would've made sense if the amount he was flowing on all blades was the same amount amount Enma exudes, that isn't the case. Zoro is the one flowing the rest of his haki on the other two blades to make sure the haki quantity in equal in all.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I disagree, this would've made sense if the amount he was flowing on all blades was the same amount amount Enma exudes, that isn't the case. Zoro is the one flowing the rest of his haki on the other two blades to make sure the haki quantity in equal in all.

The amount on Enma when Zoro uses KoH is less than when Enma was just pulling haki without Zoros permission, because the rest go to the other swords. Basically instead of Zoros haki 100 percent going to Enma, Zoro flows his haki to now split evenly where a third of it go to each sword.

Zoro flows the haki, but the haki gets pulled out to allow Zoro to flow more of it because of Enma.

 

[Wizak08]

The amount on Enma when Zoro uses KoH is less than when Enma was just pulling haki without Zoros permission, because the rest go to the other swords. Basically instead of Zoros haki 100 percent going to Enma, Zoro flows his haki to now split evenly where a third of it go to each sword.

Zoro flows the haki, but the haki gets pulled out to allow Zoro to flow more of it because of Enma.

While it's vague, to me it seems like he is using 3x the amount he normally would on Enma. It makes zero sense for Enma to accept Zoro not exuding the amount it requires simply because now he's sharing two thirds on the other blades. Him using 3x makes more sense as Enma required quantity is met. The third option being him meeting the required amount for Enma but flowing small amount on each bladed also doesn't make sense as Zoro then shouldn't have that level of ryuo control where he can dictate which quantity to flow on each blade.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

While it's vague, to me it seems like he is using 3x the amount he normally would on Enma. It makes zero sense for Enma to accept Zoro not exuding the amount it requires simply because now he's sharing two thirds on the other blades. Him using 3x makes more sense as Enma required quantity is met. The third option being him meeting the required amount for Enma but flowing small amount on each bladed also doesn't make sense as Zoro then shouldn't have that level of ryuo control where he can dictate which quantity to flow on each blade.

Enma is still sucking out the same amount of haki. The only difference now is Enma is only coated in a third of it but the amount sucked is still the same.

If Zoro was putting as much haki as Enma pulled into all his blades, his arms would shrivel just as they did before.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

What are you even asking?

Zoro can use both AdvCoC and AdvCoA without Enma… but you still think he can’t do KoH without Enma?

Zoro is just misdirecting the haki that Enma was pulling.

citation needed

 

[Thaidakar]

He can’t naturally pump out that much haki. He thought the way to master Enma was to better control limiting how much haki it pulls and only letting it use its ability during some attacks.

What allowed his growth to learning KoH is realizing that trying to stop Enma is useless, the only way to control Enma is to let it do what it wants and fight with it not against it.

Sorry but what a stupid way of interpreting such an obvious thing is that? I am used to more rational posts from you.

 

[Album]

Only people who say enma is a buff are the ones who wants to discredit Zoro.
You will always see the " Lend me some Haki " , this is "X" we are up against.

last time I checked the whole attacks on luffy saying he is borrowing from joyboy (I might be misremembering it ) but enma did lead to zoro awakening adv coc and there have been numerous statements about using the deads sword being like fighting with them
and zorofans love to try and discredit sanjis strength by irrelevent details

Have been saying this shit for the longest.

There's was no Haki improvement until King fight since time skip zoro. It's the same literal Zoro.

not really zoro at the start of wano is stronger then he was during dressrosa the same applies to sanji thats how it goes in one piece as they pass islands they get stronger it doesnt matter that we cant point to a arc where he awakened some power up ( like the whole developing asura) zoro himself said that.
time has passed since the timeskip

 

[Wizak08]

Enma is still sucking out the same amount of haki. The only difference now is Enma is only coated in a third of it but the amount sucked is still the same.

If Zoro was putting as much haki as Enma pulled into all his blades, his arms would shrivel just as they did before.

Enma being coated in a third of it doesn't work imo. Enma isn't happy that ryuo is being coated regardless of each but it receiving it's required amount, hence why my point earlier. I guess we'll agree to disagree.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

It made him stronger

 

[MonsterKaido]

What enma did is it allowed Zoro to skip the training he would need to use adv coa which hyogoro taught to Luffy and made it more likely to use adv coc.

Without enma Zoro needed to do same thing like Luffy training in adv coa usage and then awakening adv coc after getting hit by Kaido.

Obviously as Zoro didn't need to go through learning process directly and skipped it , the powerup comes with a cost of it being dangerous if used for long time like koh mode.

 

[Gauntlet]

not really zoro at the start of wano is stronger then he was during dressrosa the same applies to sanji thats how it goes in one piece as they pass islands they get stronger it doesnt matter that we cant point to a arc where he awakened some power up ( like the whole developing asura) zoro himself said that.
time has passed since the timeskip

Logically, that's because there's usually a fight or conflict the Straw Hats struggle against on almost every island. But if this is the case regardless if there's a conflict or not on the islands they land on, do you have any gauge on how much stronger Zoro has gotten between islands? Zoro has went to less islands than either Luffy or Sanji throughout the New World, so Zoro still wouldn't gain as much from the "island jumping" experience as they did.

 

[Vanlax]

Enma or Shusui would've resulted the same.

Zoro is winning vs King.

With Shusui maybe Zoro would've had to use Ashura.

With Enma, it helped Zoro unleash huge amounts of haki without using Ashura.

Enma, a training tool or a powerup. Whatever suits your agenda.

Doesn't matter now.

Zoro can use AdvCoC when going all out. This is all that matters now.

"Only a handful of the strongest."

 

[Robin swan]

@Robin swan, what I'm saying is that overflowing is Enma ability, that doesnr change that just because Zoro has to overflow his ryuo on Enma, Enma flows on it on the rest. He still has to do it himself. He isnt currently strong hence overflowing, he's using 3x what Enma requires to flow on all of his blades. As far as Zoro coating himself it ryuo, the whole point of ryuo is concentrating in one area, either the blade or ones fist

Zoro is using the haki enma allows him access to then use on his other swords. Enma pulls a ton of haki from zoro and zoro uses that haki on his other swords. Zoro isn't over flowing his haki himself he's using enma to do it. If enma isn't there zoro can't do it which is why it's his pu which the original post was confused about. Enma allows zoro access to powerful haki and acts a a training tool for zoro to reach that level naturally.

 

[Sentry22]

Stop skipping the part where I said , Zoro didnt had to pull out that much of haki.

Which of his opponent needed AP on kaidou level?

Zoro was always strong is what people deny entire time.

If Zoro had Shusui on rooftop , More he pushed on rooftop , more AP he was gonna get and more Haki used.

He wouldn’t have been able to cut Kaido without Enma. It was introduced as thd only sword to cut Kaido for a reason. If Zoro had attempted the same thing using Shusui the end result would have been a bruise.

 

[Gauntlet]

He wouldn’t have been able to cut Kaido without Enma. It was introduced as thd only sword to cut Kaido for a reason. If Zoro had attempted the same thing using Shusui the end result would have been a bruise.

You can't use Hiyori's words as evidence as she's the only one that spoke of Enma achieving such a feat despite never seeing Oden's fight against Kaido. Furthermore, Oden vs Kaido fight in the flashback proves that Hiyori's statement on Enma was utter horseshit, and holds no merit as Oden scarred Kaido with both swords.