General & Others I feel sorry for those who don’t understand One Piece, especially One Piece fans

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a month ago i saw some who doesn't care about one piece themes and said a word shocked me "slavery is bad". and he doesn't care because it is bad and we know this ,

the truth is slavery in Sabaody was just an entrance , slavery is established in the core of every arc in one piece , a slave isn't just the one who has a collar around is neck , a slave is a person who doesn't have a free will ,

the best examples are doflamingo and corazon , they were always slaves , doflamingo was teached by the celestial dragons that he is a god , by his new family , he never chose his way of living , he just liked the way that other people wrote for him , until his defeat , he was never free , and he is trying to fill the whole in his heart by manipulating other people ,

corazon was a slave , he never had a free will , when he was a kid he was following doffy , doffy lead him to eat the trash and give him orders , after the marines took him , he became a spy for them , and still never chose his own way of life untill he met law

, it was the first time to do thing that he chose to do without any guidance , the fact is when he said to law you are free , it was like he was saying this to himself , he is the one who is free at this moment , law was filled was hatred and lived most of his life to have revenge , he wasn't free

, and bellamy is a great example too ,

dressrosa was great at presenting slavery and freedom themes , whitebeard wasn't totally free , his pride that made him lose his life and ended his family doesn't make him free,

when we go deep into this we will know that luffy is the only free man in one piece , but this will need another post , the point is that people are ignoring great writing there are many hidden gems in one piece , it is sad that there are die hard fans ignoring it.
stop over thinking, also by your logic Luffy is also not free since he is a slave to his crew and the promises he made
 
#25
By that logic, Luffy is a metaphorical slave since his life goal and outlook on life is because of Shanks' presence in his childhood
But that’s not true , luffy wanted to be a pirate anyway, shanks didn’t want him to a pirate , shanks made luffy know how cool a pirate can be , you are acting very superficial,
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He did not go after Ace because it was Ace's own choice to pursue Blackbeard. He even asked Ace not to go after Blackbeard because he had a bad feeling about the circumstances.
No he didn’t go after him because blackbeard is nothing , “ because it was Ace’s own choice“ wtf is that , if Whitebeard told him to stay with an order , he would have stayed, whitebeard had worries but he didn’t order him to stay
 
#27
But that’s not true , luffy wanted to be a pirate anyway, shanks didn’t want him to a pirate , shanks made luffy know how cool a pirate can be , you are acting very superficial,
Shanks certainly had an influence in Luffy's thought process. Shanks taught Luffy his version of right/wrong when it comes to ignoring insults and protecting friends, which Luffy replicates with Bellamy during Jaya Arc. How is that different from Sengoku teaching the concept of right/wrong to Corazon?
 
#28
Whitebeard gave all of his crew and allies the option to leave his side. He did not order, he did not demand, he gave a choice. He is not an individual that makes demands.
Forgive me your mind is so simple , at the end of marineford a fodder said “forgive me father i will disobey your order for the first time”, they all accepted to die for ace , he won’t force them to die for ace , but they accepted to follow his order , whitebeard loves to look down to other even if he respects them
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Shanks certainly had an influence in Luffy's thought process. Shanks taught Luffy his version of right/wrong when it comes to ignoring insults and protecting friends, which Luffy replicates with Bellamy during Jaya Arc. How is that different from Sengoku teaching the concept of right/wrong to Corazon?
It is 100% different because luffy chose this life , corazon was taught to be a spy and and found it satisfying, he was taught that it is the right thing to do
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Shanks was never a friend to Whitebeard, he was a rival as well as an on/off enemy. I cannot recall these two ever being shown to be on truly friendly or trusting terms.
Lol , if WB asked him for help to save his captain’s son , will he refuse ?
Whitebeard was enraged because shanks just tried to warn him , he was trying to tell him the right thing to do , and this hurted whitebeard pride of course
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There isn't much to understand, is not that deep of a story bro
Well , you didn’t understand it by your own , and even after reading this post i doubt that you understood it , and you are a big brain , so yea it is deeper than you think
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make sense luffy is a slave with is promise to become The Pirate King so until he get the title he still slave to it
Luffy said that he is ready to abandon his dream at anytime if it became boring , so now you forgot the most popular luffy quote in one piece , this post isn’t for you , go discuss powerscaling
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There isn't much to understand, is not that deep of a story bro
Btw , this how deep stories work , it is either you don’t know what a deep story means or you are just a troll
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stop over thinking, also by your logic Luffy is also not free since he is a slave to his crew and the promises he made
“”””””””””HE MADE””””””””” it is good that you know this, luffy isn’t chained by anything,celestial dragons are chained but they can’t break it , other people like otohemi can break it for them , corazon was chained but he broke it , because he is simple minded and can take things easily
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There isn't much to understand, is not that deep of a story bro
And now I know you are a naruto fan , this is hilarious
 
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#29
Just because Oda shows us slavery doesnt mean its Wano's theme
It is one of Wano's themes.

and also Oda wanted to show us Samurai in prison's spirits are broken. And Luffy came and became their saviour.
I dont see about message about Slavery. Oda didnt wanted to focus on it i guess.
He didn't want us to focus on the fact that Luffy was stuck in a labor camp?

I guess not.

Gatekeeping? This is not gatekeeping you are saying Oda is trying to say 20 different messages in one arc like the stuff you guys talked at the beginning is how you interperated it not a theme about the arc.
You are gatekeeping the amount of themes a story typically contains. Themes interpreted by the reader are just as valid as ones originally intended by the author.

If I can interpret a story 20 different ways, who is to say I'm truly wrong?

It's completely subjective what one reader understands from the story in terms of themes and messages than another.

However, it doesn't mean either are wrong or right in their interpretation.

I know the themes you mention Oda uses them a lot but using an element doesnt mean its a theme thats what you dont understand.
Again, slavery in this context can be used as an element and a theme.

Are you implying slavery in Wano is strictly only an element or a theme?

Yes there is not a limit but i dont say everything is a theme.
Neither did I.

Slavery is a theme in One Piece but using an element doesnt mean its a theme thats what you two doesnt understand. Arcs can have multiple themes but just because someone throw some other person in jail doesnt mean its a theme.
A labor camp isn't jail. Well, I mean, it is not only a jail. It is also forced labor (slavery).
 
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Luffy said that he is ready to abandon his dream at anytime if it became boring , so now you forgot the most popular luffy quote in one piece , this post isn’t for you , go discuss powerscaling


ARE YOU TRYING TO PICKING A FIGHT WITH ME !!!! SINCE WHEN I DISCUSS POWER SCALING ????
show me when luffy ABBADON HIS DREAM ANYTIME show me the chapter and the page when luffy want to leave his dream ???!!!
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when i read your thread again it seems you made a click bait thread to picking a fight with one piece fans especially who dosen,t agree with your opinion
is this a trolling thread?
and next time if you don,t wanna people to reply on your thread use the IGNORE BUTTON so you know who should reply to your thread or not wanna reply to your thread it,s Simple
This is a theme of course , when the same thing happens to different characters, but they have different interactions, then it is a theme , you just didn’t get it . As i said , a slave doesn’t necessarily have a collar around his neck , did you read the post?
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you said yourself that slave dosen,t need collar on his neck but now you refute your claim ???
are you trolling ????
 
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#31
It is one of Wano's themes.


He didn't want us to focus on the fact that Luffy was stuck in a labor camp?


You are gatekeeping the amount of themes a story typically contains. Themes interpreted by the reader are just as valid as ones originally intended by the author.

If I can interpret a story 20 different ways, who is to say I'm truly wrong?

It's completely subjective what one reader understands from the story in terms of themes and messages than another.

However, it doesn't mean either are wrong or right in their interpretation.

You dont even get my



Again, slavery in this context can be used as an element and a theme.

Are you implying slavery in Wano is strictly only an element or a theme?


Neither did I.


A labor camp isn't jail. Well, I mean, it is not only a jail. It is also forced labor (slavery).
Just because they are slaves doesnt mean slavery is a theme. When author doesnt focus on it it becomes an element for me not a theme.
I am not gatekeeping or something like that you guys are overreaching and calling everything a theme and when you get called about that you are talking about me gatekeeping the Themes.

Interpretion and themes are different things. Just because you interpreted a story 20 times doesnt mean there is a 20 themes in a story. Its your interpretion.

Also if there is no message about Slavery in Wano then i dont think its a theme.
 
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Episode 400 last 5 minutes, when luffy asked rayliegh for raftel
And actually iam picking fights with none one piece fans
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Just because they are slaves doesnt mean slavery is a theme. When author doesnt focus on it it becomes an element for me not a theme.
I am not gatekeeping or something like that you guys are overreaching and calling everything a theme and when you get called about that you are talking about me gatekeeping the Themes.

Interpretion and themes are different things. Just because you interpreted a story 20 times doesnt mean there is a 20 themes in a story. Its your interpretion.

Also if there is no message about Slavery in Wano then i dont think its a theme.
Doflamingo, corazon , bellamy , 3 characters in one arc are slaves in their minds , this is the definition of a theme
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you said yourself that slave dosen,t need collar on his neck but now you refute your claim ???
are you trolling ????
How ?
 
#33
Episode 400 last 5 minutes, when luffy asked rayliegh for raftel
And actually iam picking fights with none one piece fans
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then why you accusing me of powerscaling ???!!!!
seriously do you wanna fight or just wanna claim only people who agree with you who can replied your thread ?????
Doflamingo, corazon , bellamy , 3 characters in one arc are slaves in their minds , this is the definition of a theme
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in that episode luffy say i don,t want boring journey not leaving his dream do you forget it,s usop who ask about one piece to rayleigh but luffy stopped it
and luffy keep saying "I WANNA BE PIRATE KING" AGAIN N AGAIN even in wano don,t you think luffy is a SLAVE by desire ?
 
#34
in that episode luffy say i don,t want boring journey not leaving his dream do you forget it,s usop who ask about one piece to rayleigh but luffy stopped it
and luffy keep saying "I WANNA BE PIRATE KING" AGAIN N AGAIN even in wano don,t you think luffy is a SLAVE by desire ?
I meant ussop asked Rayleigh not luffy , sorry , luffy said that he will quit being a pirate if the journey became boring and predictable, if he quits being pirate the he is abandoning his dreams
 

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#37
Technically speaking even Nami is a slave to her own money addiction but at least she can manage to control that one to some extent. So even then I'm on the fence since she is capable to fight the addiction off backing it off. 🤔
 
#39
Doflamingo, corazon , bellamy , 3 characters in one arc are slaves in their minds , this is the definition of a theme
No theme is the message author is trying to give us and by your point everyone is a slave but i can assure you Corazon,Doffy and Bellamy are not slaves.
If this is how you interpreted it i am fine with that but dont try to lecture people by calling it a theme
 
#40
Just because they are slaves doesnt mean slavery is a theme. When author doesnt focus on it it becomes an element for me not a theme.
Oda focused on slavery as one of the themes of Wano by putting Luffy in the labor camp. Like many of the previous arcs, there's an organization or government (the Beast Pirates and Orochi) who are oppressing the masses, and Labor camps are one method of oppressing the people of Wano.

I am not gatekeeping or something like that you guys are overreaching and calling everything a theme and when you get called about that you are talking about me gatekeeping the Themes.
I never called everything a theme. I merely stated that the reader may interpret multiple themes, despite the author intending more or less. Again, you are arbitrarily stating that One Piece doesn't have as many arcs as we interpret, despite that interpretation of themes being completely subjective.

Interpretion and themes are different things. Just because you interpreted a story 20 times doesnt mean there is a 20 themes in a story. Its your interpretion.
Interpretation and themes are different concepts, sure. But how exactly do you locate themes present within a story? Through interpretation of the story.

Again, if a reader interprets a story 20 different ways, who is to say they're wrong? Ultimately, interpretation is completely subjective with no right and wrong answer.
Also if there is no message about Slavery in Wano then i dont think its a theme.
The message of slavery within Wano is to strive for freedom by not giving up hope - as seen in Udon.

Thus, slavery is a theme within Wano.
 
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