I mean that depends on if you're even capable of learning in the 1st place. Time will tell.
I mean he got some details from you that weren't shown in your initial comments about themes so it helped me quite a bit. So yes.
Indeed it will be.
1.5 years in.. and people are still thinking they can outplay me in a storytelling battle..
The disrespect I face is incommensurable..
Well duh. Part of being a parent is being a leader of the family. But leadership is a much broader subject than the matter of parenthood as it can encompass things outside of being a parent.
Actually the theme that is interesting here is parent/child relationships and not leadership. If we were to talk about leadership in Oden's case it would be in a very negative way. Oden is a very poor leader. We can talk about leadership but this is less important in the scheme of Wano. It much closer to a personnal relationship that Momo entertain with himself rather that his parents.
That makes no damn sense as Oden would have at least been in the presence of Yamato and be knowledgeable of her existence to be able to be a father figure to her.
No. A parent figure is not necessarally someone that is "there". Granted its mostly that, but in the case of Yamato, its not. It's Oden's legacy who play that role and his journal.
Indeed Oden never directly helped Yamato in any way or took care of Yamato. But he did that indirectly.
That's one of the point Oda is trying to make with Yamato. Kaido was never their father figure, Oden, in a sence, was. And no I'm not confusing role model and parent figure, the thing is, in Yamato's case those two concept are mixing together. Oden was never "there" for Yamato but his legacy was the thing that helped Yamato find peace and balance.
The only difference is that Yamato decided to become this personnification.
I mean if understanding writing includes adding crap to make things seem deeper than they actually are then you're correct.
What I'm explaining and what you will see later is not that deep really. It's just perfectly crafted. In fact, now that i've done this, i'm enjoying Wano even more than before.
You have skimmed over my questions regarding to the point that we have no damn idea on how Oden raised Momo other than raising him well which is fucking vague. We have no idea on what ideals Oden tried to instill in him or what parenting style Oden used on Momo which could give us the reader a clear picture on specifically WHY he's a good parent.
But we do actually.. And experience can also make women. The teaching of Oden have been seen and can still be seen through Momo, the Akazaya and Hiyori (even Yamato to some extense). I'm to lazy to search for panel so I'll keep it at that, but no. Oden has been shown raising Momo and hiyori, even thourgh a short period of time, and he was a good father. The values teached are implied.
That is enough, we had enough. We don't need to have more in the story. We know what was passed on:
- Responsibility
- Character
- Will
I mean the only thing Kawamatsu did was take care of her as well has he could and Denjiro became her caretaker after Kawamatsu's lockup and groomed her to become the number 1 whore in Wano. There's not much besides that.
Beside actual tearfull and good flashbacks.. no indeed.
Or maybe you and Oda can actually make the theme of parenting not be shallow as fuck? I'm not gonna read shit from some failed screenplay writer that has a nature documentary be the magnum opus of his career. In fact you should stop reading Truby. It may do a bit of good.
lol.. I sence anger.
OK. You got me on this one as he was a father figure to most of the Scabbards. That's my bad. But beyond Oden being a good father to the Scabbards and his own blood, Wano doesn't really go into the depths of the theme in family beyond Oda showcasing that Kaido's a bad father and Oden's a good father. Such an amazing them indeed.
That's were you are wrong. And I'm not only uncompassing Wano here, but whole cake as well.
Let me blow your mind a bit : (
I hope this will work)
Why do you think Oda decided to bring two Yonko instead of one in the Yonko saga and decided to talk about Zeff/Sanji and Oden/others ?
Literally because the Yonko Saga is the story of abused children confronting their toxic parents!! Their DAD AND their MOM!!
It's ALL OVER the Yonko Saga:
- First Oda developped threads of plots and characters around the thematic of Parent/children relationship:
> Carrot / Pedro
> Sanji / Judge
> Big Mom / Her children (specifically adressing the fact that this was a BIG and toxic relationships in the first introduction of Big Mom)
> Big Mom / Pudding
- The thematic really took a dive with the introduction of the conflict of Sanji regarding is abusive family and father.
- Then Oda created a conflict between Lola and her mother
- Then Oden created a conflict between Pudding and her mother
- Then Oda setup the character of Katakuri that will once again oppose his mother by letting Luffy go.
To create a good philosophical thematic you also need to oppose the toxic behaviors to the good one (in order for the readers to understand your real vision on life)
- This is why Oda opposed the relation of Sanji/Judge to Sanji/Zeff
- This is why Oda made pudding switch side
- This is Why Oda made Oda switch side
- This is why Oda made Katakuri "switch" side.
4 occurence of children, 4 different version of opposition : Lola is completely turning his back on her mother, Sanji made his father cut ties with him, Katakuri is staying for his family and Pudding is staying by fear (that's my interpretation)
I also talked about the relationship between Carrot and Pedro as this is the one instance where Oda, despite putting a good vibe to the relationship, is twisting it to take a tragic path (which mainly lead me to believe that Carrot was supposed to shine because of this)
So that's for Whole cake and the MOM version of an abusive relationship. Take notes that this kind of abuse have mostly an impact on the mental health of the protagonist.. now.. we will see the DAD version of the abusive relationship toward his family.. and this time you will see that the impact of that "relationship" as an effect on everything else.
Just like Big Mom was the leader / queen / parent of totland. Kaido because the Leader / King / Parent of whole cake in the sence that he used fear to assert a certain power over what he believes is his legacy. So, just like Totland:
- First Oda developped the "parent/child" theme of Wano:
> Kaido and his crew, this time it was not a real family but a crew (which in One Piece is similar) or more precisely a wolf pack constituated of hundreds of beast. This time it's like a card game Kaido being the Ace, the "alpha" of the group:
> Akazaya/Momo/Hiyori
> Akazaya/Oden
> Oden/Toki/Momo/Hiyori
> Hiyori/Kawamatsu/Denjiro
> Yamato/Kaido
> Yamato/Oden
> Oden/Sukiyaki
> Tama/Luffy/Ace
> Otoko/Strawhats
> Marco/White Beard
> Even Big Mom/Tama
- Then Oda developped the relationship between Oden and the Akazaya
- Then Oda developped the relationship Momo had the image of his own father status and figure
- Then Oda created developped the relationship between Ace tama and Luffy which is still is the thematic of parent/child relationship
- Then Oda developped two opposite viewpoint of fatherhood, one through Oden and the Akazaya nine and one through Yamato and Kaido
- Then Oda developped Yamato and Momo as two side of the same coin: Two children who were going to oppose their father's wish.
Etc. etc.
In the end...
We are weatnessing a HUGE thematic reflexion around the Parent/child thematic all around the Saga emperor and Luffy and the gang will be the leading factor to the resolution of ALL those conflicts.
All of this is made to push the bright side of the story AND the strawhate, to enhance their status as legends.
Finally in the entirerity of this Yonko Saga, we have witnessed a long list of different vision of the way a child can interact and oppose their family and parents. Sometime they don't oppose them (Kaido's crew) sometimes they are doing what they can but do not really succeed (Pudding) sometimes, they leave (Lola), sometimes they stay to protect their own (katakuri), sometimes they fight back (Yamato)
But in all those instance, Oda showed two side of the principle: A bad side (Big Mom/Kaido/crew and children) and a bright side (Oden/akazaya/Momo/Sanji/Zeff).
And Oda finished that work by saying that sometimes, even when a parent is good, its important to take our own descision. This is why you can see Momo taking the opposite road of his father.
