Character Discussion I think Kaido not being completely evil is a good thing

[Sentinel]

I like how to defend Kaido you have to use whataboutism. His narrative makes so little sense you have to talk about Akainu, because his character doesn´t make sense. Also, he does the same thing, lmfao

Furthermore, Akainu killed deserters who wanted to flee from the war. In that panel, Kaido killed one of his subordinates for merely stating he shouldn't underestimate the worstgen.

Yes, Kaido cares for his important members but the story showed lots of times how ruthless he is to his enemies and even to innocent people because he justifies his evil doings by saying they're just too weak. Remember what he planned to do with this country after he would have killed Luffy and Co? Enslaving everyone, even mothers and children to let them work till death.

Kaido is definitely a cruel villain. He's evil and I think that's why he wasn't awakened because in order to get Zoan awakening, your mind has to have a good chemistry to the DF and I believe Kaido's fruit is more peaceful mannered rather than being evil.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Lmao, people here trying to justify wrong things done by comic villains. And the reasons just get worse. Nobody is completely evil or they are not born evil but become so due to their experiences.

I see some people here who would try to justify serial killers nd rapists and would want us yo sympathize with them.

 

[park_min young]

Evil people are not inherently incapable of caring about others. One Piece have this weird tendency of just fixating on only a small part of the tapestry.

Kaidō enslaved an entire nation of people, slaughtered their leaders and subjected them to dispossession, humiliation, starvation, imprisonment, summary executions and whatever other horrors you can think of.

He was about as evil as they come.

Sounds like a colonizer LOL but Kaido follows meritocracy and he is moving with purpose. He is also somewhat capable of caring for people as shown with his crew and people he respects.

He is truly evil but there are greater evils portrayed in the story. I’d categorize him as a Crocodile-esque type of evil. Then there are real disgusting scumbags like the CDs who only do shit for their own pleasure.

On the top of my head, I’d say that Doffy and Caesar are also more evil than Kaido. Hogback for anybody who remembers the shit he did. Somebody like Judge took his children’s humanity, had 0 care even for his wife and kids. So no, I don’t agree that Kaido is as evil as they come. I can easily list people who have shown more severe acts.

 

[soupongo]

Sounds like a colonizer LOL but Kaido follows meritocracy and he is moving with purpose. He is also somewhat capable of caring for people as shown with his crew and people he respects.

He is truly evil but there are greater evils portrayed in the story. I’d categorize him as a Crocodile-esque type of evil. Then there are real disgusting scumbags like the CDs who only do shit for their own pleasure.

On the top of my head, I’d say that Doffy and Caesar are also more evil than Kaido. Hogback for anybody who remembers the shit he did. Somebody like Judge took his children’s humanity, had 0 care even for his wife and kids. So no, I don’t agree that Kaido is as evil as they come. I can easily list people who have shown more severe acts.

Doffy is probably the most evil villain we have seen so far, his crimes might seem a bit less bad, but that´s because what he could do was limited by the fact that he wasn´t so strong. But he got an enjoyment out of human suffering like no other

 

[park_min young]

Doffy is probably the most evil villain we have seen so far, his crimes might seem a bit less bad, but that´s because what he could do was limited by the fact that he wasn´t so strong. But he got an enjoyment out of human suffering like no other

Doffy was a pure sadistic psychopath
I’d say that he showed the worst form of enslavement by using Sugar. He literally erased people’s existence out of history, that’s pretty fucking cruel to say the least lol.

 

[JoNdule]

Both BM and Kaido aren’t purely evil like your average CD, they’re far from that level of inhumanity. They’re just pirates ruling over their territory through might.

Oden only failed because he got cheated on, Kaido never proved he can beat Oden 1v1. They even had to trick Oden for 5 years to avoid confrontation. The Oden flashback is the biggest fuck up Oda did for Kaido’s character, not the lack of an interesting backstory. Kaido is just a blood warrior at his core anyways.

Oden failed...doesn't matter how he failed
He failed .
He landed a free hit and couldn't end the job

He also failed in the castle for hours to even overpower Kaido

Oden didn't say "if I fail by cheating, I would try again"
He simply tells you this was his last chance to take down Kaido
He wasn't gonna fight again 1v1

 

[soupongo]

Oden failed...doesn't matter how he failed
He failed .
He landed a free hit and couldn't end the job

He also failed in the castle for hours to even overpower Kaido

Oden didn't say "if I fail by cheating, I would try again"
He simply tells you this was his last chance to take down Kaido
He wasn't gonna fight again 1v1

So? Why would he care about what Oden thinks? Kaido was originally mad that he was tricked. He had leverage over Oden through the hostages as well.

 

[park_min young]

Oden failed...doesn't matter how he failed
He failed .
He landed a free hit and couldn't end the job

He also failed in the castle for hours to even overpower Kaido

Oden didn't say "if I fail by cheating, I would try again"
He simply tells you this was his last chance to take down Kaido
He wasn't gonna fight again 1v1

Oden is just a prideful warrior who won’t make excuses, good thing the modern OP fans (who doesn’t have an inkling of the samurai dogma controlling my brain) like me exists to defend him.

Oden was in the driver’s seat the entire time but he was just dumb af. They wanted to avoid confrontation with him at all costs, Oden was severely undermanned, and despite all that Kaido only won via distraction.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Bro was literally a deserter 😭

He was up against fucking Whitebeard like bro what do you expect him to do
Sakazuki himself knew deep down that the marine woulda died if he kept fighting
There was no real purpose to him being there at that point

 

[soupongo]

The Oden flashback was the most forced flashback in OP history. 5 years dancing is ridiculous even for OP

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

give me a break

Kaido wanted to kiss Luffy

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Maybe he hid confuse Kaido and Orochi lmfaoo, why would Kaido talk about that as if he was a native to Wano and knows their history

He does know their history. He studied the history of Wano and he's based in Wano for specific reasons

 

[Fujishiro]

Bro he was going to drop an island on a city full of people for no reason 😭😭😭😭

I highlighed him taking care of some of his crew and orphaned Ulti and Page 1 and Jack,etc I never said he wasnt evil.

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

Akainu killed a marine solider for no reason

Deserters get the lava rope.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I highlighed him taking care of some of his crew and orphaned Ulti and Page 1 and Jack,etc I never said he wasnt evil.

Bro he legit is the most evil character other than Imu, legit just randomly mass killing civilians cuz of proximity lmao

 

[Fujishiro]

Bro he legit is the most evil character other than Imu, legit just randomly mass killing civilians cuz of proximity lmao

Again, youre missing the point youre literally quoting me saying hes evil when Im telling you I know hes evil.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Again, youre missing the point youre literally quoting me saying hes evil when Im telling you I know hes evil.

He is completely evil

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Doffy is probably the most evil villain

Most interesting as well, and he cared about his family a lot.​

 

[Fujishiro]

He is completely evil

Youre still parroting what I said and ignoring my point.

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

Agreed, he was basically turned into Orochi in that flashback. The Kaido we know is: interested in Joyboy/the void century/Ancient weapons, Fighting people, and breaking down the wills of his enemies until he submits. This character wouldn´t have let Oden be executed, just like he didn´t execute Luffy. He would torture him for information, or use his hostages as leverage. He even comments that Oden doesn´t have the old ¨Kozuki dignity¨

In this scene, I am literally curious if Oda confused Kaido and Orochi. Why would he know about the Kozuki ¨dignity¨?

This right here was just one of many moments that proved to me that Oda had no idea what to do with his character. It was clear that Orochi was better off not existing and instead Oda should have applied his backstory and motives to Kaido to explain why Kaido was so particularly obsessed with Wano, their genocide and why he felt more like a native from there than whatever shitty vodka country he came from, which was only introduced at the last minute and had no relevance to any pre-existing story thread. LOda's obsession with introducing hundreds of tertiary characters during Wano only proved to be the arc's undoing. And because of it, we got a schizophrenic and psychotic antagonist whose motives were all over the place, much like the writing for the arc as a whole.

But let's instead fixate on the dancing naked man for 5 years, LOda... I'm sure that will be the most memorable addition to the One Piece lore.