Controversial If Admirals are revealed to have ACoC is it still overrated?

#81
WB ran away because he didn't want to be bothered by fodder marines. GB on the other hand didn't go to Wano before because of Kaido, his own words, and then was scared away by Shanks coc, there was sweat and screaming, he had no other choice. It is not like when BB escaped by Akainu while laughing with his crew.
Attacking Wano would plunge the world government into war with Kaido and his forces. We’re told outright, that one needs higher approval in order to declare war on an emperor.

Kaido had sweat dripping down and looked scared when he felt luffys CoC.
 
#82
Luffy isn’t just a CoC coating user, him being Joyboy is honestly more important right now which is likely what’s going to be most important which is connected to his devil fruit and him having the Will of D. Which feels more likely what his next fights are going to be focus on.

And Kaidos the only one who believes that abilities can only go so far, Blackbeard surpassing him with his devil fruit abilities is enough to disprove Kaidos philosophy.
But luffy is luffy lol you think he would start calling himself joyboy or sit here and focus on the will of d he has never cared about those things sure he may in the future but i feel like thats only when they learn the truth of the world.

But whats kaido reason for thinking that??? Roger who proves the statement correct... we about to get awakened kidd vs hakiman shanks lol what happens when shanks tells kid the same thing or proves haki is over his df awakening...will u still say the same thing???

But bb has not surpassed kaido in df abilities what proof of that do we have in the story ???
 
#83
But luffy is luffy lol you think he would start calling himself joyboy or sit here and focus on the will of d he has never cared about those things sure he may in the future but i feel like thats only when they learn the truth of the world.

But whats kaido reason for thinking that??? Roger who proves the statement correct... we about to get awakened kidd vs hakiman shanks lol what happens when shanks tells kid the same thing or proves haki is over his df awakening...will u still say the same thing???

But bb has not surpassed kaido in df abilities what proof of that do we have in the story ???
I don’t think he’ll start calling himself joyboy, I do think others will begin treating him like joyboy and it’ll be important to his D including Blackbeard and Imu.

Kaido believes that because of Roger, what do you think led to Blackbeard believing otherwise tho? Blackbeard is one of the verses biggest bads, but rather than focusing on haki he’s had a bigger focus on his devil fruits. And with Shanks and Kid, how would you feel if Blackbeard, a man without CoC, defeats Shanks who’s portrayed to have the strongest haki in verse right now?
 
#84
Yes, it will still be overrated either way, but that’s because of how Oda has implemented it.

It’s basically a tool to allow Luffy to compete with the top tier abilities in the verse while having variable potency to allow it to be as effective or ineffective as Oda wishes.
 
#85
I don’t think he’ll start calling himself joyboy, I do think others will begin treating him like joyboy and it’ll be important to his D including Blackbeard and Imu.

Kaido believes that because of Roger, what do you think led to Blackbeard believing otherwise tho? Blackbeard is one of the verses biggest bads, but rather than focusing on haki he’s had a bigger focus on his devil fruits. And with Shanks and Kid, how would you feel if Blackbeard, a man without CoC, defeats Shanks who’s portrayed to have the strongest haki in verse right now?
Well yea I expect others to treat luffy diff but luffy will always be luffy pretty much.

Whatever led bb to believe what he is thinking about df will absolutely be wrong by the end of it because Oda had monkey d luffy go the haki/df route. When bb grabs luffy with black hole and his df is no more or let’s say bb has this broken ass awakening that nullifies df without him having to touch luffy guess what luffy still has adv coc haki which he will then use to pummel bb into the ground. That’s my thing when these two square off by ur logic bb will use df powers to the max with bare minimum haki. Luffy on the other hand will quite literally be thinking about kaidos words which were said out loud haki transcends all. When he can’t use his df he will use adv coc and by story logic so far even if the quake quake can match adv coc at some point luffy haki would break trough as again haki transcends ALL.

i don’t think a bb without coc can beat shanks but if that happens it would flip the power structure for sure… but I don’t in any way see Oda doing this tbh.
 
#87
Well yea I expect others to treat luffy diff but luffy will always be luffy pretty much.

Whatever led bb to believe what he is thinking about df will absolutely be wrong by the end of it because Oda had monkey d luffy go the haki/df route. When bb grabs luffy with black hole and his df is no more or let’s say bb has this broken ass awakening that nullifies df without him having to touch luffy guess what luffy still has adv coc haki which he will then use to pummel bb into the ground. That’s my thing when these two square off by ur logic bb will use df powers to the max with bare minimum haki. Luffy on the other hand will quite literally be thinking about kaidos words which were said out loud haki transcends all. When he can’t use his df he will use adv coc and by story logic so far even if the quake quake can match adv coc at some point luffy haki would break trough as again haki transcends ALL.

i don’t think a bb without coc can beat shanks but if that happens it would flip the power structure for sure… but I don’t in any way see Oda doing this tbh.
And personally I think Luffys going to awaken a new power that will allow him to beat Blackbeard.

Again you’re going off of Kaidos ideas about haki. Oda already showed that even someone with weaker haki (Luffy) was able to beat an opponent with stronger haki (Kaido) thanks to their devil fruit.

Honestly I don’t see the plot going anywhere else except BB killing shanks.
 
#88
Oda already established that the way for coc haki to get stronger is for the user to get stronger,luffy getting gear 5th is him getting stronger therefore his coc haki gets stronger at the end of the fight luffy coc haki is stronger than kaido that’s why he wins it’s not just his df power
And personally I think Luffys going to awaken a new power that will allow him to beat Blackbeard.

Again you’re going off of Kaidos ideas about haki. Oda already showed that even someone with weaker haki (Luffy) was able to beat an opponent with stronger haki (Kaido) thanks to their devil fruit.

Honestly I don’t see the plot going anywhere else except BB killing shanks.
 
#89
Oda already established that the way for coc haki to get stronger is for the user to get stronger,luffy getting gear 5th is him getting stronger therefore his coc haki gets stronger at the end of the fight luffy coc haki is stronger than kaido that’s why he wins it’s not just his df power
Just because Gear 5 awakened wouldn’t just increase luffys CoC power? That just means as you grow stronger your haki would too. But DF awakening wasn’t luffy growing stronger. It was luffys fruit awakening a new power.

When luffy ve Kaido ended Kaido had stronger haki and luffy won because of gear 5s raw power
 
#90
Just because Gear 5 awakened wouldn’t just increase luffys CoC power? That just means as you grow stronger your haki would too. But DF awakening wasn’t luffy growing stronger. It was luffys fruit awakening a new power.

When luffy ve Kaido ended Kaido had stronger haki and luffy won because of gear 5s raw power
Wait so ur telling me that after reading 1044 literally seeing luffy coc go crazy making people faint from simply unlocking gear 5th, luffy saying this is his pinnacle of what he can do, and with Rayleigh telling us in the manga that as the user grows stronger so does the color of the supreme king u think luffy haki didn’t get a increase as well tf 😂😂😂 Oda already established in the story that the person with the stronger haki is the one that wins hell right before defeating kaido luffy flashes back to his haki training and ur gonna tell me that it was gear 5th that beat kaido 😂😂😂 I’m sleep 😴
 
#91
Wait so ur telling me that after reading 1044 literally seeing luffy coc go crazy making people faint from simply unlocking gear 5th, luffy saying this is his pinnacle of what he can do, and with Rayleigh telling us in the manga that as the user grows stronger so does the color of the supreme king u think luffy haki didn’t get a increase as well tf 😂😂😂 Oda already established in the story that the person with the stronger haki is the one that wins hell right before defeating kaido luffy flashes back to his haki training and ur gonna tell me that it was gear 5th that beat kaido 😂😂😂 I’m sleep 😴
Because Luffy didn’t grow stronger when he achieved gear 5. He merely got a new form.

Luffys flashback was about him learning how to attack without physically touching.
 
#92
Because Luffy didn’t grow stronger when he achieved gear 5. He merely got a new form.

Luffys flashback was about him learning how to attack without physically touching.
Bruh I ain’t never in my life ever been told that the person that gains a new transformation didn’t grow stronger 😂😂😂 this is totally illogical :gokulaugh::gokulaugh::gokulaugh:u Gotta be trolling me
 
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