General & Others If Jinbe doesn’t help Zoro what changes?

[Julius]

-Lucci would be properly defeated by Zoro in the first situation. It would take longer, because Sanji wouldn't piss Zoro off and force him to hit Lucci at time, that was only possible through Jinbe being there.

-Zoro wouldn't reach the Sunny at time without Jinbe throwing him, so Nusjuro would've destroyed the Sunny and possibly defeated some Strawhats.

The 2nd situation is easier to guess after 1120 because Zoro is clearly desperate about Nusjuro coming back to attack the Sunny again, he knows Nusjuro is strong. So if Jinbe wasn't there initially, before their first clash, the Sunny would be wrecked, possibly one Strawhat (or more) would be hit, getting badly hurt, then everything would be completely messed up.

 

[Dcbluffy]

If Elbaf giants didn’t save Luffy from the worm what changes

luffy would’ve did wht he did to kaido

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Y’all are ignoring the fact that

1. Zoro would still be fighting Lucci if Jinbe never arrived
2. It’s not just Zoro’s feat alone. It was a joint effort/attack. Speed + weight doesn’t apply to every besides zoro

Zoro would hit Lucci with another named attack… and then another one… and then another one… and then another one… anha? Is Lucci immortal or something? How long do you think it takes for Zoro to do shishi sonson? Are you saying Lucci is strong enough to tank Zoro’s entire arsenal?

Zoro’s haki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jimbei’s throw

This is like Pica all over again… The power Zoro needed to slice Pica and toss his entire body into the air is SO MUCH GREATER than the power needed to throw Zoro that it’s literally inconsequential what Orlumbus did

For Jimbei’s throw to be a factor here, Nusjuro has to be way weaker so that the entire feat itself is way less impressive… which is fine… maybe nusjruo is a weakling… I mean atlas already overpowered him that one time… and those giants did too

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Zoro haters would probably just being crying more. That’s about it

 

[Rootbeer]

How important has Jinbe’s role been in helping zoro?

1. If Jinbe doesn’t go to stop zoro fighting Lucci
2. If Jinbe isn’t there to help against nusjuro

1. Lucci awaken CoC and he overwhelms Zoro.. The fight continues for another 40 minutes, and Zoro wins extreme diff due to hahava Hunt prior plot armor damage.. Lucci is overall superior..

2. The Sunny gets heavily damaged or Zoro gets blown away..

 

[ConquistadoR]

If Elbaf giants didn’t save Luffy from the worm what changes
If Elbaf giants didn’t save Luffy from Warcury what changes
If Elbaf giants didn’t give Luffy emergency food what changes
If robot didn’t save Luffy what changes

Shhh

Dont ask such uncomfortable questions that they cannot answer.

 

[Rootbeer]

Zoro would hit Lucci with another named attack… and then another one… and then another one… and then another one… anha? Is Lucci immortal or something? How long do you think it takes for Zoro to do shishi sonson? Are you saying Lucci is strong enough to tank Zoro’s entire arsenal?

Zoro’s haki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jimbei’s throw

This is like Pica all over again… The power Zoro needed to slice Pica and toss his entire body into the air is SO MUCH GREATER than the power needed to throw Zoro that it’s literally inconsequential what Orlumbus did

For Jimbei’s throw to be a factor here, Nusjuro has to be way weaker so that the entire feat itself is way less impressive… which is fine… maybe nusjruo is a weakling… I mean atlas already overpowered him that one time… and those giants did too

Comparing Jinbei to Orlumbus is a crime worth of decapitation..

 

[MegaSpider]

Jimbe also caught Zoro otherwise he would've been sent flying even farther than Nasjuro did.
Meaning Zoro would still be running to try to get on the ship after Atlas blew up and the Sunny flies away. He would be stuck on the island with Nasjuro, aka dead.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Comparing Jinbei to Orlumbus is a crime worth of decapitation..

Pick and choose

Is throwing Zoro a feat that matters? If so then fine, that means the power of throwing Zoro must scale to the feat in total

Tossing Nusjuro must be a relatively easy feat if Jimbei tossing Zoro is so important… That means if Jimbei picked up a big rock and tossed it nusjuro, it would have actually managed to do something… since Jimbei’s throwing power is so important here that means a big rock would have pushed Nusjuro like a few meters at least

 

[Rootbeer]

Pick and choose

Is throwing Zoro a feat that matters? If so then fine, that means the power of throwing Zoro must scale to the feat in total

Tossing Nusjuro must be a relatively easy feat if Jimbei tossing Zoro is so important… That means if Jimbei picked up a big rock and tossed it nusjuro, it would have actually managed to do something… since Jimbei’s throwing power is so important here that means a big rock would have pushed Nusjuro like a few meters at least

It's like you go to extremes, it's either not important at all, or very important..

Isn't Shishi sonson's main power come from it's speed?..

Honestly the attack was 43% Jinbei, 57% Zoro..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Honestly the attack was 43% Jinbei, 57% Zoro..

Exactly so Jinbei’s throwing strength is half the the power needed to overpower Nusjuro

This isn’t Jimbei’s punching strength or Jimbei’s lifting strength… This is just throwing strength… Which is WAAAAYYYYY lower than punching strength

I’d say Jimbei’s punches are like 10 times the power of his throws

So imagine Jimbei fishman Karate punched Nusjuro… Utter devastation… Nusjuro would have gotten his shit worked… which is strange that Zoro’s named AdvCoC slash was about as strong as Jimbei’s throw

That means Jimbei’s punch >>>>> Zoro’s advcoc named attack

 

[Rootbeer]

Exactly so Jinbei’s throwing strength is half the the power needed to overpower Nusjuro

This isn’t Jimbei’s punching strength or Jimbei’s lifting strength… This is just throwing strength… Which is WAAAAYYYYY lower than punching strength

I’d say Jimbei’s punches are like 10 times the power of his throws

So imagine Jimbei fishman Karate punched Nusjuro… Utter devastation… Nusjuro would have gotten his shit worked… which is strange that Zoro’s named AdvCoC slash was about as strong as Jimbei’s throw

That means Jimbei’s punch >>>>> Zoro’s advcoc named attack

Why Jinbei's throwing and punching strenght can't be the same.. Palm strikes are inferior than Fist strikes?..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Why Jinbei's throwing and punching strenght can't be the same.. Palm strikes are inferior than Fist strikes?..

What do palm strikes have to do with this?

Jimbei’s throws are weaker than his punches because his punches are enhanced by haki and fishman karate… remember… That’s his whole fighting style… haki punches and water shockwave punches… Haki increases ATTACK POWER… not physical strength… Haki doesn’t make your muscles stronger so haki didn’t increase his throwing power

 

[Kiiro]

Zoro will get lost if not for Jimbei.

Good bye for Jimbei.

Zoro wouldn't kill Lucci lol

And they still will fight for minutes, Lucci still had a lot of energy.

 

[MonsterKaido]

If jinbe doesn't grab zoro lucci is dead.

If jinbe isn't there nothing changes vs nasjuro that was a haki clash.

This. Nothing changes.

 

[gin]

If Elbaf giants didn’t save Luffy from the worm what changes
If Elbaf giants didn’t save Luffy from Warcury what changes
If Elbaf giants didn’t give Luffy emergency food what changes
If robot didn’t save Luffy what changes

If the giants did not show up on egghead to help Luffy, then none of the straw hats would make it off egghead alive with 5 Goresei and Buster call to deal with by themselves. All of the straw hats would fucking die along with all the vega punks, except York.

 

[Rootbeer]

What do palm strikes have to do with this?

Jimbei’s throws are weaker than his punches because his punches are enhanced by haki and fishman karate… remember… That’s his whole fighting style… haki punches and water shockwave punches… Haki increases ATTACK POWER… not physical strength… Haki doesn’t make your muscles stronger so haki didn’t increase his throwing power

It was literally a Fishman Karate attack.. Ok there was no Haki in it, so perhaps 40-60?..

Haki increases attack power when it comes to a fist being as tough as metal.. But does it really increases Attack Power when it's Steel versus Steel and when the Haki are actually matched?.. No..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It was literally a Fishman Karate attack.. Ok there was no Haki in it, so perhaps 40-60?..

Haki increases attack power when it comes to a fist being as tough as metal.. But does it really increases Attack Power when it's Steel versus Steel and when the Haki are actually matched?.. No..

No, there is no character in one piece where the distribution of their haki vs physical strength is 40-60

Haki is a multiple times multiplier… The first use of haki in the series is Zoro using Ryuo to Mr.1… the power gap from being unable to scratch Mr.1 to Zoro slicing him up completely is like 10 times the power at minimum

So no, the power gap between Jimbei’s throws and his punches is in fact like a 10 times split

And that’s not even counting jimbei’s water shockwaves… Which also get stacked on top of Jimbei’s punches and haki

 

[Rootbeer]

No, there is no character in one piece where the distribution of their haki vs physical strength is 40-60

Haki is a multiple times multiplier… The first use of haki in the series is Zoro using Ryuo to Mr.1… the power gap from being unable to scratch Mr.1 to Zoro slicing him up completely is like 10 times the power at minimum

So no, the power gap between Jimbei’s throws and his punches is in fact like a 10 times split

And that’s not even counting jimbei’s water shockwaves… Which also get stacked on top of Jimbei’s punches and haki

Haki is a multiplier only when it's not matched equally.. Nasjuro hardened Blade canceled Zoro hardened blades and had no impact on the attack power that made them repelled each other..

If Nasjuro had trash Haki and not a famed Blade then yes it would have been 10% Jinbei 90 % Zoro..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Haki is a multiplier only when it's not matched equally.. Nasjuro hardened Blade canceled Zoro hardened blades and had no impact on the attack power that made them repelled each other..

If Nasjuro had trash Haki and not a famed Blade then yes it would have been 10% Jinbei 90 % Zoro..

What the fuck are you talking about? Huh? Would Nusjuro’s hardened blade no cancel out the force of Jimbei’s throw if Jimbei was throwing a rock instead of Zoro?

what?

Jimbei threw zoro, and then Zoro used haki on his swords to perform an attack mid air… that’s what happened

For jimbei’s throwing strength to be equal to Zoro performing a named attack with AdvCoC… that would mean jimbei’s punching strength SEVERELY OUTCLASSES Zoro’s haki

Literally Jimbei must be stronger than Zoro at this point