Future Events If Luffy dies eos, wouldn’t Zoro automatically become top 1 of all time?

#41
What are you talking about luffy has never been leagues ahead of zoro, zoro came into the timeskip stronger then Luffy and Luffy barely got an edge over zoro a chapter ago with acoc and even that’s debatable considering how injured zoro was when he damaged Kaido, ”huge margin“ stop with the hyperbole. No there is no limit or wall who said Luffy is going to stop growing at 22? So Kaido is the exact same strength level he was when oden dunked on him? Please show me the vivre card/manga statement/Databook that says Zoro will stop growing oh wait you can’t because you just made up this false growth limit.
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if Rayleigh wasn’t close to being the strongest then Kaido and shanks couldn’t even lick the boots of the strongest
This is true, and very evident in wano that zoro got out of post-TS stronger than luffy.
A lot of people failed to realize it, or rather, choose not to realize it.
Oda has purposefully not shown zoro's full strength because it would eclipsed and overshadowed Luffy's strength post-TS.

Luffy had to get multiple power-ups from doffy, crackers and katakuri and still got 1 shot by Kaido. Even with his training with Ryuo, he was on par with zoro post enma.
 
#43
What are you talking about luffy has never been leagues ahead of zoro, zoro came into the timeskip stronger then Luffy and Luffy barely got an edge over zoro a chapter ago with acoc and even that’s debatable considering how injured zoro was when he damaged Kaido, ”huge margin“ stop with the hyperbole. No there is no limit or wall who said Luffy is going to stop growing at 22? So Kaido is the exact same strength level he was when oden dunked on him? Please show me the vivre card/manga statement/Databook that says Zoro will stop growing oh wait you can’t because you just made up this false growth limit.
there’s nothing indicates Zoro was stronger than Luffy. Luffy came from the time skip on YC lvl with G4 while quite arguably stronger than most of them due to G4 physical strength. Are you telling me Zoro who recently got advanced CoA with the help of Enma that can draw all the haki out as stated by Zoro was stronger than his captain at some point? You can’t even come up with a single stat where Zoro exceed Luffy at. Luffy has all advanced types of haki and you think Zoro can match that? At best it’s a mid diff for Luffy. And we only need common knowledge to know whatever lvl the SHs are at by EOS is their limit. Every character has a limit of growth at some point and it’s not dependent on age. Where does the strongest in the verse top tier Luffy post EOS if he could grow any stronger? GOD tier? Obviously no.
 
#44
there’s nothing indicates Zoro was stronger than Luffy. Luffy came from the time skip on YC lvl with G4 while quite arguably stronger than most of them due to G4 physical strength. Are you telling me Zoro who recently got advanced CoA with the help of Enma that can draw all the haki out as stated by Zoro was stronger than his captain at some point? You can’t even come up with a single stat where Zoro exceed Luffy at. Luffy has all advanced types of haki and you think Zoro can match that? At best it’s a mid diff for Luffy. And we only need common knowledge to know whatever lvl the SHs are at by EOS is their limit. Every character has a limit of growth at some point and it’s not dependent on age. Where does the strongest in the verse top tier Luffy post EOS if he could grow any stronger? GOD tier? Obviously no.
Nothing to indicate? Tf are you on? Zoro only trained his armament haki with enma and Zoro already had better armament then Luffy to begin with did enma upgrade his speed and endurance too? Zoro blitzed kaido in hybrid (while half dead) who blitzed Luffy at the beginning of wano in hybrid fuck is Luffy going to do him? If zoro tanked a combined emperor attack fuck would Luffy pre-wano do to zoro to put him down in g4’s time limit. You just assumed zoro’s limit and are now attributing all his strength to enma when he’s been this strong the entire time, I know it’s a hard concept to swallow but zoro would’ve destroyed Luffy in dressrosa and whole cake. Are you going to bring up feats or just make a vague statement like g4 is stronger then zoro? Obs Haki isn’t going to do shit if he’s faster then him. Where does it say he got adcoc with the help of enma? Panel please and not your bs headcanon. No them not growing is not common sense it’s just your headcanon yes they will keep improving eos especially zoro since he actually trains, they’ll be leagues above any character in the series
 
#45
Nothing to indicate? Tf are you on? Zoro only trained his armament haki with enma and Zoro already had better armament then Luffy to begin with did enma upgrade his speed and endurance too? Zoro blitzed kaido in hybrid (while half dead) who blitzed Luffy at the beginning of wano in hybrid fuck is Luffy going to do him? If zoro tanked a combined emperor attack fuck would Luffy pre-wano do to zoro to put him down in g4’s time limit. You just assumed zoro’s limit and are now attributing all his strength to enma when he’s been this strong the entire time, I know it’s a hard concept to swallow but zoro would’ve destroyed Luffy in dressrosa and whole cake. Are you going to bring up feats or just make a vague statement like g4 is stronger then zoro? Obs Haki isn’t going to do shit if he’s faster then him. Where does it say he got adcoc with the help of enma? Panel please and not your bs headcanon. No them not growing is not common sense it’s just your headcanon yes they will keep improving eos especially zoro since he actually trains, they’ll be leagues above any character in the series
dude is prolly upset that Kidd got no feats at rooftop and is heavily overshadowed by zoro, and then decides to downplay zoro feats to justify the rooftop outcome.

typical irrational fan excuses....
 
#48
there’s nothing indicates Zoro was stronger than Luffy. Luffy came from the time skip on YC lvl with G4 while quite arguably stronger than most of them due to G4 physical strength. Are you telling me Zoro who recently got advanced CoA with the help of Enma that can draw all the haki out as stated by Zoro was stronger than his captain at some point? You can’t even come up with a single stat where Zoro exceed Luffy at. Luffy has all advanced types of haki and you think Zoro can match that? At best it’s a mid diff for Luffy. And we only need common knowledge to know whatever lvl the SHs are at by EOS is their limit. Every character has a limit of growth at some point and it’s not dependent on age. Where does the strongest in the verse top tier Luffy post EOS if he could grow any stronger? GOD tier? Obviously no.
I believe he is telling you Zoro is stronger or was until Luffys bloom, because hes correct, you said luffy was on yonko commander level but which commander did he beat by himself? He needed nami against cracker and Brule and katakuri against katakuri, and he was still stuck in the mirror world had pekoms not got him. In wano A full stregnth luffy was 1 shot by kaido, he trains for 2 weeks just to get knocked out by Apoo, (Zoro did not) then ran out of haki and zoro had to save him and finally knocked out by kaido again, Zoro deflected an attack luffy suggested everyone dodge from (he couldn't block it and zoro immediately went after prometheus) then scarred kaido (twice he's cut him, no one else on the rooftop has and only oden scarred him permanently until now) and after that kaido was able to knock him out with a bagua, luffy unlocked advanced CoC and can block kaido or hit kaido but he has yet to overpower and a kaido attack and simultaneously damage kaido in the way zoro did with Tatsu Maki.
 
#50
Even if Luffy remains alive, EoS Zoro will always be top 1 of all time. Luffy won't even surpass Ryuma.
we don't know what Ryuma's ceiling is definitively.. and zoro is said to wield a black blade in coming arcs luffy atm tops zoro in a 1v1 and is going toe to toe with Kaido when SN's were getting slapped by him left and right in hybrid debut... from kaido's words... "it gets fun when you become distressed"...so he pretty serious fighting Luffy now... makes sense since due to initial developments about AcoC and what not....

even in EOS... luffy will be the strongest if not top 3 but zoro will definitively be below his tier
 
#52
we don't know what Ryuma's ceiling is definitively.. and zoro is said to wield a black blade in coming arcs luffy atm tops zoro in a 1v1 and is going toe to toe with Kaido when SN's were getting slapped by him left and right in hybrid debut... from kaido's words... "it gets fun when you become distressed"...so he pretty serious fighting Luffy now... makes sense since due to initial developments about AcoC and what not....

even in EOS... luffy will be the strongest if not top 3 but zoro will definitively be below his tier
Quick question, why do people ignore the fact that luffy would have died twice on the roof alone without zoro? When does luffy top zoro? Was it when he was unable to move after g4 so zoro had to carry him and cut him out of kaidos mouth or when luffy went unconscious and was about to be finished until zoro used asura on kaido? Because we no he didn't top him in the great hall, ask Apoo if you don't believe me.
 
#54
Quick question, why do people ignore the fact that luffy would have died twice on the roof alone without zoro?
That doesn't factor in a 1v1 and zoro saving luffy doesn't ascend his tier above his captain.. logically luffy knows in hindsight that if he goes all out and runs out of gas.. zoro is there to carry him until he regains his haki.. unless you think he never expected zoro to save him as a crew member. Sanji or Jimbe logically would do the same thing..

that doesn't mean they top their captain coz of that
 
#55
That doesn't factor in a 1v1 and zoro saving luffy doesn't ascend his tier above his captain.. logically luffy knows in hindsight that if he goes all out and runs out of gas.. zoro is there to carry him until he regains his haki.. unless you think he never expected zoro to save him as a crew member. Sanji or Jimbe logically would do the same thing..

that doesn't mean they top their captain coz of that
Ist In a 1v1 he wouldn't have gotten past the ragnorok, or had no defensive ability after his haki was drained from g4 that very much factors in a 1v1 seeing he did the same thing against both cracker and katakuri, he just had nami and Brule to help or hold hostage respectively and let him recharge his haki.
2nd i agree, zoro saving luffy does not mean he is a higher tier, nojiki and pinwheel guy saved him before also
But being able to jump up in front of and deflect (momentarily) an attack that luffy saw with future sight when no one else could (including luffy) and
scarring someone who as luffy even stated he's trying to penetrate his scales (only one person on the roof had penetrated the scales and he did it twice) but I would at least think you would realize Zoro is the only person we've seen or heard of overpowering (kaidos words) an attack with his own attack, luffy hasn't produced an attack that can nullify one of kaidos (named) attacks and deal damage which should tell you there's a difference in stregnth
 
#56
Ist In a 1v1 he wouldn't have gotten past the ragnorok, or had no defensive ability after his haki was drained from g4 that very much factors in a 1v1 seeing he did the same thing against both cracker and katakuri, he just had nami and Brule to help or hold hostage respectively and let him recharge his haki.
2nd i agree, zoro saving luffy does not mean he is a higher tier, nojiki and pinwheel guy saved him before also
But being able to jump up in front of and deflect (momentarily) an attack that luffy saw with future sight when no one else could (including luffy) and
scarring someone who as luffy even stated he's trying to penetrate his scales (only one person on the roof had penetrated the scales and he did it twice) but I would at least think you would realize Zoro is the only person we've seen or heard of overpowering (kaidos words) an attack with his own attack, luffy hasn't produced an attack that can nullify one of kaidos (named) attacks and deal damage which should tell you there's a difference in stregnth
 
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