Controversial If One piece has a great ending, will it be the best shonen ever?

[mmd]

It would be the best story for me if Luffy dies at the end of the story
Usually, the author does not take such a risk, but I think this is the best ending
Also, about Shanks, I hope he will be involved in the final war as the third team and have a different ideology from imu and Luffy and be a completely gray character.

 

[Sugoi]

? "Decided to copy Naruto the greatest" where is that? You think a trope of some god figure who control the world from the shadows belongs only to Naruto as the origin?

I didn't even say what he was copying but you knew what it was, which proves I'm right lol. As soon as imu was introduced it made the whole fanbase instantly think of kaguya, dont deny it, same how luffy being joyboy is the same shit as naruto and ashura which everyone caught on to straight away. Kishimoto is the one famous for that trope because he was very skilled in depicting how characters are manipulated and controlled by others, he does it much better than oda. Sure, theres probably other fiction that no one gives a shit about that also has similar trope lol, doesnt mean anything, its obvious oda is copying this from naruto and everyone knows it

 

[mmd]

I didn't even say what he was copying but you knew what it was, which proves I'm right lol. As soon as imu was introduced it made the whole fanbase instantly think of kaguya, dont deny it, same how luffy being joyboy is the same shit as naruto and ashura which everyone caught on to straight away. Kishimoto is the one famous for that trope because he was very skilled in depicting how characters are manipulated and controlled by others, he does it much better than oda. Sure, theres probably other fiction that no one gives a shit about that also has similar trope lol, doesnt mean anything, its obvious oda is copying this from naruto and everyone knows it

Getting ideas from other people's writing is a common thing in writing

 

[vikas]

Just hope he ends it decently...

Because I don't see it being that good. I feel whatever idea he has in mind is already very generic at this point and might feel like copying stuff... I can see how oda is adding characters just like that to keep things interesting.. though it's not working for me... He might deviate from his original idea and try to experiment on something new and fail. Like luffys dream is going to be very underwhelming is what I think I mean it won't be worth hiding it for so long.

 

[Just a member]

It doesn't need to have a great ending to be the best shounen. In the post time skip and with Wano the quality is not the same as the pre time skip but the pre time skip quality is already top notch shounen wise, only HxH topples it, Naruto or Bleach are always below One piece and about modern contenders honestly I don't see nor hear any valid one. Maybe MHA or devil slayer beat it sale wise but can honestly compare to OP as a whole? I don't think so.

Aside from Bleach and Naruto the contenders should be HxH and Dragonball. But HxH, despite being great and keeping his quality, is way shorter and Togashi, sadly, could not work on it how much he wanted to and most likely HxH will never be finished in a satisfying way (maybe rushed like the other great work from Togashi: yu yu hakusho). Dragonball is probably even more widely known than One piece but it peaks with the sayajin and Namek saga, after that it is a continuous fall and everything be it GT, Super or whatever is a black hole quality wise (GT is even way better than Super and that tells a lot on how bad Super is). One piece on the other hand is very long, the quality is great for a good portion of the manga and nowadays still manages to stay good (the last chapters are entertaining) so, imi, it just needs a satisfying end to keep the pole. But if it is some shitty ending like Naruto then it could even fall. And of course no ither arcs like Wano or WCI to a degree and less Luffy Piece, please.

 

[MarineHQ]

OP is going to be like nearly as long as Naruto + Bleach combined so Oda gets all the respect in the world for being so consistent.

 

[Sugoi]

Lmao. "Copy" Kishimoto? You mean the same author that decided to introduce 4 other major nations and 3 endgame villains in the last 20% of the story for a world war and drag that shit to oblivion?

One Piece has had 95% of its factions established years before Kishimoto even went this route. In fact. Marineford already set up the final world war while Naruto barely started its timeskip. Imu as an entity is still part of the WG, something far older than the idea you are trying to paint about the series. Imu has more development than Kaguya and hes still a fucking silhouette

"You mean the same author that decided to introduce 4 other major nations and 3 endgame villains in the last 20% of the story for a world war and drag that shit to oblivion?"


Seriously? how can a one piece fan say this and not realise the sheer hypocrisy...oda just plopped in a whole new villain group after 1000 chapters....oh and you saying kishimoto dragging? is this a joke? not a single person who has read wano has the right to insult any other arc about being dragged, if you think narutos war was dragged then dont even bother with the one piece one. At least kishimoto actually draws all the fights with legit fighting choreography which takes up time, unlike oda who just puts in generic clashes and still the arc gets dragged somehow

No, marineford didnt set up the otsosuki knights, ashura luffy and kaguya imu, just stop lol. In naruto we were told about sage of six paths well before the end of the story which made it obvious that there were god tiers in the verse, everything about the otsotsuki existence was "forshadowed" just the same according to how a one piece fan thinks. There was plenty of lore estabslished surrounding the sage of six paths before kaguya popped up, more than in one piece actually where oda is still hiding and silhouetting everything

 

[MonsterKaido]

 

[Sugoi]

Getting ideas from other people's writing is a common thing in writing

and thats fine, however that means one piece is automatically out of contention for being the greatest shounen. I actually still have faith in oda and dont think hes going to do the same thing, but most of the fanbase are already sold on oda just copying kishi from this point on

 

[Kiiro]

You can ask what will a great ending be, you will have dozens if not hundreds of ideas for the ending, this is when you will figure out that a good ending doesn't exist since everyone wants a different thing.

You cant satisfy everyone.

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I didn't even say what he was copying but you knew what it was, which proves I'm right lol. As soon as imu was introduced it made the whole fanbase instantly think of kaguya, dont deny it, same how luffy being joyboy is the same shit as naruto and ashura which everyone caught on to straight away. Kishimoto is the one famous for that trope because he was very skilled in depicting how characters are manipulated and controlled by others, he does it much better than oda. Sure, theres probably other fiction that no one gives a shit about that also has similar trope lol, doesnt mean anything, its obvious oda is copying this from naruto and everyone knows it

Nah, might have similar ideas, but since the void century was introduced, since 800 of ruling and bla bla was introduced, it was already possible, while with Kaguya, she was literally introduced and a few chapters she was brought to life killing the MC Madara..

Also, Imu is still alive, hinted since Dressrosa that there might be somehow who used the inmortality....

Imu existence is 100% possible, hints have been since Alabasta.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

G4 being hard is one thing, the way his attacks "curve" don't. Now even the cloud around his neck has an explanation.

I wouldn't be ok with that explanation, no. Gomu gomu's awakening would be turning other stuff into rubber, so at most he could rubberize reality if that's a thing.

You are not okay with rubber "curving" but you are okay with stuff like Parasite?
Bir D Cage? Imean, if you draw the line at G4, you should have complained a long time ago about things not making sense about the gom gom fruit.

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and thats fine, however that means one piece is automatically out of contention for being the greatest shounen. I actually still have faith in oda and dont think hes going to do the same thing, but most of the fanbase are already sold on oda just copying kishi from this point on

Copying what exactly?

 

[mly90]

I'm not delusional enough to believe fraud who ruined wano so badly is capable of ending whole series on a good note

 

[Sugoi]

you can see fans now trying to predict events in one piece like "this will happen because SHoUnEn LoGic" or this character is this strong because "sHoUnEn LoGiC" ..."this is the ReAl ViLLaIn and everyone else is puppets", every new unknown character is stronger than the last blah blah blah. They think like this because one piece fans themselves think this manga is as generic as it gets and i cant blame them. Oda is enabling them to think this way. If one piece ends in the generic way that the majority of fans expect, then no way can it ever be considered the greatest shounen, there needs to a twist and oda needs to stop blatently copying kishimoto to give himself a chance.

 

[Xione]

It already is the greatest Shonen ever made.

Only rivals exist in non-shonen series.


Shonen in general is pretty mid, once you start exploring manga outside of Shonen. So not like the standard is all that high.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

you can see fans now trying to predict events in one piece like "this will happen because SHoUnEn LoGic" or this character is this strong because "sHoUnEn LoGiC" ..."this is the ReAl ViLLaIn and everyone else is puppets", every new unknown character is stronger than the last blah blah blah. They think like this because one piece fans themselves think this manga is as generic as it gets and i cant blame them. Oda is enabling them to think this way. If one piece ends in the generic way that the majority of fans expect, then no way can it ever be considered the greatest shounen, there needs to a twist and oda needs to stop blatently copying kishimoto to give himself a chance.

Apologies for giving you a serious answer, you clown.

 

[mmd]

and thats fine, however that means one piece is automatically out of contention for being the greatest shounen. I actually still have faith in oda and dont think hes going to do the same thing, but most of the fanbase are already sold on oda just copying kishi from this point on

One Piece is beyond what we think
Oda even followed the 800 year rule, which I found interesting...Many friends mention the devil and some sects and even the Five Elder's room, I know them too...I'm just not interested in expressing them
Anyone who has researched these topics knows that One Piece is not just for kids...And I think Oda is looking for a higher goal and a few repeated ideas will not hurt this work

 

[Xione]

I didn't even say what he was copying but you knew what it was, which proves I'm right lol. As soon as imu was introduced it made the whole fanbase instantly think of kaguya, dont deny it, same how luffy being joyboy is the same shit as naruto and ashura which everyone caught on to straight away. Kishimoto is the one famous for that trope because he was very skilled in depicting how characters are manipulated and controlled by others, he does it much better than oda. Sure, theres probably other fiction that no one gives a shit about that also has similar trope lol, doesnt mean anything, its obvious oda is copying this from naruto and everyone knows it

The reason he knew what it was is because Naruto-trolls have been spamming Kaguya = Imu since Imu's introduction, and showing how much of fake Naruto fans they themselves are... that they found Imu to be the equivalent of Kaguya.

Luffy being joyboy = Naruto being Ashura.. ??? Lol?????

Ashura's chakra/soul reincarnated into different bodies over the course of centuries, there were hundreds of Ashura reincarnations.

Luffy is joyboy based on what he's done and the devil fruit of the two being the same, there's no reincarnation going on there.

Idk why you guys try so hard to force these OP & Naruto connections.

 

[Sugoi]

The reason he knew what it was is because Naruto-trolls have been spamming Kaguya = Imu since Imu's introduction, and showing how much of fake Naruto fans they themselves are... that they found Imu to be the equivalent of Kaguya.

Luffy being joyboy = Naruto being Ashura.. ??? Lol?????

Ashura's chakra/soul reincarnated into different bodies over the course of centuries, there were hundreds of Ashura reincarnations.

Luffy is joyboy based on what he's done and the devil fruit of the two being the same, there's no reincarnation going on there.

Idk why you guys try so hard to force these OP & Naruto connections.

of course it cant be exactly the same when they have different powersystems/rules lol. Naruto doesnt have devil fruits and One piece doesnt have chakra. Naruto got ashura chakra and luffy got joyboy fruit power, same shit. Luffy was the chosen one that was destined to eat same fruit as joyboy. . Now chosen one luffy is going to do defeat the oppressor of the world imu and free the world like naruto did

and dont even talk about "naruto trolls" when cringy insecure one piece fans have been trolling naruto fans for a decade saying naruto is the chosen one and luffy is better because hes just "a guy with a bad fruit, hes just really good using it"

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You are not okay with rubber "curving" but you are okay with stuff like Parasite?
Bir D Cage? Imean, if you draw the line at G4, you should have complained a long time ago about things not making sense about the gom gom fruit.

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Copying what exactly?

everything, from ashura luffy to kaguya 2.0, destined to take down god like mysterious figure controlling world in the shadows, which is all linked to ancient lore. Imu was not active majority of the story and now is being made relevent due to ancient lore, exact same thing with kishimoto tying the endgame with his ancient lore of sage of six paths.

 

[Xione]

of course it cant be exactly the same when they have different powersystems/rules lol. Naruto doesnt have devil fruits and One piece doesnt have chakra. Naruto got ashura chakra and luffy got joyboy fruit power, same shit. Luffy was the chosen one that was destined to eat same fruit as joyboy. . Now chosen one luffy is going to do defeat the oppressor of the world imu and free the world like naruto did

and dont even talk about "naruto trolls" when cringy insecure one piece fans have been trolling naruto fans for a decade saying naruto is the chosen one and luffy is better because hes just "a guy with a bad fruit, hes just really good using it"

Souls literally exist in One Piece world, tf are you talking about. The Reincarnation had nothing to do with powerlevels. Like bruh you're just chatting right now.

There was no oppressor of the Naruto World. There was no grandruler who ruled the world.


This is the peak of forcing comparisons. There is not comparison to be made here, other than "chosen one". Which Luffy, yes is the chosen one. The chosen one isn't something he took from Naruto. If you really want to say he took the concept of "chosen one" from somehwere then you're better off going with Star Wars with Luke Skywalker, a piece that has inspired Oda in multitude of ways even the concept of Haki, a piece that existed long before Naruto.

And Luffy fans weren't trolling they're reiterating what the manga was telling them. The DF was hard to control when he got it, nerfed him even, then he got better with it as he kept on fighting against Ace & Sabo, and then with Ace. All the G2/G3/G4 are all his creations from his imagination.

 

[Tai long]

one piece is currently the best manga to me. no manga has been so consistent that I followed it weekly for 3 years straight.