General & Others If Zoro and Sanji get pushed to high/extreme diff by a Tobi Roppo..

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MD Zolo

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ImmaIvanoM said:
This is IMPOSSIBLE

This directly means that Kaido's crew is stronger than every other Yonkou crew which is IMPOSSIBLE since they have been stated to be in a stalemate.
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It is quite clear that Tobi Roppo are very new additions to the Beast Pirates. Perhaps they were once stalemated. But not anymore.

Ultimately, Kaido wants to start a fight with the WG and Marines. He can't do that if he only has three commanders, WB was stronger than him and had better crew, he failed. So, for Kaido to even think of going after WG, he needed stronger people. And that is why it is not impossible for 1-2 members of Tobi Roppo to be Yonkou Commander level.

Let's consider another thing. BMPs have four Yonkou Commander level people in it, in addition to Perospero (who is not bad either). WB had four Yonkou Commanders too. Only Shanks has three Yonkou Commanders but we can't tell Beckmann's level.

The three commander thing was always fabled. There is nothing to stop from Who's Who being a commander level fighter (unless Yamato is one).
 
yorosenpai

yorosenpai

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Ryuarashi said:
Completely fine if Zoro and Sanji face Flying six specially Who's who and Sasaki since Oda is already hyping them up to be close to commander level (at least YC 3) so its honestly its not something worth getting upset about.After they beat the flying six then they join in the final battle against Kaido.

Just don't get how people are so confident that Zoro can beat King then have enough energy to help in the final fight when Luffy who just beat a 1st commander struggled to even move after the fight.
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I can say that Marco will use his power to fix in an instant character that are almost dead.
 
Ryuarashi

Ryuarashi

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Finalbeta said:
Why exactly would Zoro be pushed so high?

King himself would decimate any Flying Six basically
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King would decimate them I'm sure but how does that help Zoro when he is not on King's level basedon the fact that Zoro's captain is only a few tiers above YC1 - this would explain why Zoro and Sanji would be pushed since they're fighting potentially YC3 level fighters.

yorosenpai said:
I can say that Marco will use his power to fix in an instant character that are almost dead.
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Possible, but i don't see Oda doing that without it having a major drawback, for example:

Law can make someone immortal - but he dies in return
Sugar is broken OP - however she is probably the weakest character in the series
Apoo broken ability - but one you cover your ears you can handle him.

Macro's drawback could be that it drastically drains his stamina or just simply weaken all his attributes which would drastically affect the alliance. If Oda makes his healing OP and spammable that reduces the sense of danger.
 
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yorosenpai

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Ryuarashi said:
King would decimate them I'm sure but how does that help Zoro when he is not on King's level base on the fact that Zoro's captain is only a few tiers above YC1 - this would explain why Zoro and Sanji would be pushed since they're fighting potentially YC3 level fighters.
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I dont see any problem if Zoro is weaker than King, it make the fight way more tense and interesting for Oda to be draw with high and low during the fight but with a spectacular ending.
 
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MD Zolo

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Ryuarashi said:
King would decimate them I'm sure but how does that help Zoro when he is not on King's level basedon the fact that Zoro's captain is only a few tiers above YC1 - this would explain why Zoro and Sanji would be pushed since they're fighting potentially YC3 level fighters.
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How many levels do you think there are between a YC1 and an Yonkou? And why do you think that the gap between Zoro and Luffy is so high that Luffy would be few tiers above YC1 and Zoro wouldn't be anywhere near King's level?

Your powerscaling has issues.
 
yorosenpai

yorosenpai

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Ryuarashi said:
King would decimate them I'm sure but how does that help Zoro when he is not on King's level basedon the fact that Zoro's captain is only a few tiers above YC1 - this would explain why Zoro and Sanji would be pushed since they're fighting potentially YC3 level fighters.



Possible, but i don't see Oda doing that without it having a major drawback, for example:

Law can make someone immortal - but he dies in return
Sugar is broken OP - however she is probably the weakest character in the series
Apoo broken ability - but one you cover your ears you can handle him.

Macro's drawback could be that it drastically drains his stamina or just simply weaken all his attributes which would drastically affect the alliance. If Oda makes his healing OP and spammable that reduces the sense of danger.
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Maybe, but I can see marco using this power only for the main meele MVP group such Luffy,Zoro maybe Kid.

The point is that I dont see Kaido or King falling in Onigashima but in Wano territory so that all the citizen can see who are the saviour that defeated these monsters. In this way Luffy/Zoro legacy has a way stronger payoff!!
 
Sadistic Senpai

Sadistic Senpai

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From what it seems, I have a feeling Oda will make them the main fight for Sanji/Zoro/Jinbe actually

Also, I will not give up on powerscaling
Cause it makes actually MORE sense

However, I will give up on the fact that One Piece is entertaining for watching the SH crew, and basically the only entertainment we can get is from Luuffy, as he's the only person who constantly fights people stronger than him and he's the underdog whom we support to overcome such huge obstacle

While what I will give up on, is the idea of having that same feeling we get from Luffy, to get it with other SHs, as Oda obviously by this move is only handing them a fight that they can win 100% without having a big threat of being the underdog of that fight to be squashed completely by the opponent before overcoming them

We know that feeling, with Mr.1
Or with CP9 group as a whole to all SH crew
Or Nami with Miss.doublefinger/ Chopper/Usopp vs Mr.4 and his old hag partner...

Or Chopper vs Gedatsu (one of 4 priests)

If Oda didn't do it with a TWO ALLIED YONKO CREW, theb he will never do it again EVER, for someone of the crew to win against a superior opponent... and he will only do that with Luffy, alone
Which is why the only entertaining fight we got post-timeskip were from Luffy

So, it makes sense powerscaling wise, sure
They are fighting comparable opponents, thus their win is assured

But in terms of entertainment which is the main fucking goal of reading/watching a series, which is having a good time, it SUCKS ASS

I'm sorry, but I'm not your nerdy geeky guy who calculates power scaling inch by inch, I just wanna have a good fucking time reading, if Oda cannot deliver that, what's the point of watching the series!?

So, powerscaling wise, I will not give up on the series, but I will give up on the idea that I will get entertained, ever, again, with SH crew aside from Luffy
 
Ryuarashi

Ryuarashi

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MD Zolo said:
How many levels do you think there are between a YC1 and an Yonkou?
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Its all based on WCI with Katakuri and Big Mom, with G4 all Luffy was able to do was rattle Big Mom's arm slightly, G4 vs Katakuri he was able to send him flying multiple times.

That clearly shows the difference between and YC1 and an actual Yonkou.

MD Zolo said:
And why do you think that the gap between Zoro and Luffy is so high that Luffy would be few tiers above YC1 and Zoro wouldn't be anywhere near King's level?
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Simple, Luffy has been getting the most prominent powerups so far because he needs to be able to fights Yonkous 1vs1 eventually which once again further separates him from the rest of his crew.

Think about it, fans will say Zoro and Sanji are around the same level, if Luffy is running around casually with 2 fighters that could be ≥ YC1 while their captain is not yet on Yonkou level, which crew could possible handle the strawhats? why would Oda even bother hyping up Kidd and his crew to be rivals when the strawhats has Zoro and Sanji who people apparently want to be top commander level.
 
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MD Zolo

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Ryuarashi said:
Its all based on WCI with Katakuri and Big Mom, with G4 all Luffy was able to do was rattle Big Mom's arm slightly, G4 vs Katakuri he was able to send him flying multiple times.

That clearly shows the difference between and YC1 and an actual Yonkou.



Simple, Luffy has been getting the most prominent powerups so far because he needs to be able to fights Yonkous 1vs1 eventually which once again further separates him from the rest of his crew.
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But by how much?! Luffy hasn't got that many power-ups. He got one after beating Katakuri. So, Luffy can't be more than one tier above YC1.

And there is no proof that Luffy is several tier above Zoro either.
 
Ryuarashi

Ryuarashi

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MD Zolo said:
But by how much?! Luffy hasn't got that many power-ups. He got one after beating Katakuri. So, Luffy can't be more than one tier above YC1.
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He is at least 2 tiers since he now has a better grasp of future sight, seemly better control of gear 4, physically stronger (possibly more agile which remains to be seen) and advanced CoA which I don't think he has fully mastered yet but will do so against Kaido.

MD Zolo said:
And there is no proof that Luffy is several tier above Zoro either.
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If the fact that Luffy has been getting multiple powerups is not enough proof then I don't know what is. I like Zoro too, he's a badass character but he is not on his captain's level especially at this point in this story when Luffy needs to be a powerhouse to face the likes of Kaido and Blackbeard.
 
Rivaille

Rivaille

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In term of symbolic, what Zoro beating Who’s who will achieve? For Zoro’s character? For Zoro’s dream? For Zoro’s story arc in Wano?

You guys have made the first step: understand that plot is more important than powerscaling in One Piece. Now you need to take the second step and understand that : Symbolic and Character’s dynamic are also more important than powerscaling in One Piece.
 
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Formerly Seth

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yorosenpai said:
You know what? I think after 9 years of powerscalling headcanon for the new world a lot fans have such strong power construction that for them is impossible that any of the strawhat can surpass a Commander. Even if the plot (and story demand that) because Oda want to finish One Piece as soon as possible. I ll prepare some :ihaha:and enjoy each chapter.

2 weeks ago luffy and Zoro were trashed cuz for them they took L because Apoo landed some attacks which both tanked without any complication and said that Kidd had to step in to save them...., Today chapter happen to shut up this guys... Same will happen for all the finals fight.
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The sad thing is that I know you are right and that pains me :/
 
Bullet

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No Zoro and Sanji are below Jack right now if they fight a tobi roppo extreme diff it would make more sense than fighting yc1 and yc2 with asspull powerups and also if they beat yc level dudes then the bb commanders would have to be way above the other yonko commanders and that destroys the yonko balance
 
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