Questions & Mysteries If Zoro can one-shot Kaido why make Luffy fight him?

#81
Because all this arc, at the very least, as been Luffy getting ever more ready to fight Kaido. Add to that Momo and Yamato who have far more beef with the man than Zoro, who is just the descendent of some illegal emigrants from Wano from before Kaido's takeover.

Furthermore, ever since Enies Lobby, Oda has made it quite clear that Zoro is not on the same level as Luffy. Zoro's opponents have never been of a caliber similar to Luffy since Whiskey Peaks, basically, where that opponent was Luffy, in fact.

Yes, his attack, his BEST attack, the one he used to finish his strongest opponent pre TS (Kaku) hurt Kaido. But it wasn't even on the caliber of Oden's, who would have been able to finish a younger -and thus weaker - Kaido back then, without the old hag interfering.

Yes, he blocked for a few seconds the combined attack of two Yonko, which is an extremely high level feat.

But storywise, we are not following Zoro's adventures. We are watching Luffy's. He's the one who has to prove that he has what is needed to become the Pirate King and basically change the world. It's always been Luffy's journey. He has gathered an incredible crew over the years, and each and every one of the SH Pirates, unleashed in any of the outer Blues (and perhaps even Paradise) would be an absolute monster.

But they aren't the focus of One Piece, they have never been, and never will be. Therefore, it wouldn't make sense for Oda to have Luffy being the one training like a madman, unlocking incredible power-up mid-fight and always refusing to give up, even when faced by Kaido's immusearable strength, to actually be robbed of a victory because somehow Zoro would suddenly be able to one-shot Kaido.

We aren't talking about fodders here. We aren't talking about an East Blue Captain even. At the level the SH are now, especially the Monster Trio, they aren't facing opponents they can just one shot. Each and every fight is gruelling because at best they are slightly stronger than their opponents. And sometimes they seem to be hopeless, like Nami and Usopp vs Page One and Ulti !

Sending all of it away just to have Zoro kill Kaido, a Kaido who would then need to be displayed has having defeated Luffy once more, and for good, and still be in a good enough condition that Zoro killing him like Ryuma killed that dragon would be an horrible story. It'd rob Luffy of any progression or interest since all his efforts would have been in vain, it'll lead to an infinite amount of plot holes (if Zoro could kill Kaido from the get go, why didn't he just rampage all over Wano? Etc.).

Also, keep in mind that Oda already went out of his way to show us that even the WSS don't get to try to take one the strongest Emperor alive in Marineford. Mihawk, who is probably still stronger than Zoro currently is, never ever got a chance to even scratch Whitebeard.

In One Piece, an ironclad rule (as far as I remember of course) is that a "Captain" is always defeated by a "Captain" (Baggy, Crow, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Foxy, Lucci, Moriah, Hody, Caesar) or an alliance of captains (Doflamingo). Even Newgate was killed by Teach, with his crew's help, but he was already a dead man walking by that point.

I know my point is muddied because English isn't my first language and translating my thought in it is kind of difficult sometimes, but I hope it comes accross well enough.
 
#83
ZKK won't be happening anyway. Since when did secondary character defeat any main villain in any story?
In Two Piece or maybe it was in Three Piece not too sure.

Killing Kaido isnt beating him? :myman:
Going back to the original ZKK threads it was all about Zoro fighting Kaido and killing him but now it's killing Kaido after Luffy beats him
:ihaha:
 
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#84
Because all this arc, at the very least, as been Luffy getting ever more ready to fight Kaido. Add to that Momo and Yamato who have far more beef with the man than Zoro, who is just the descendent of some illegal emigrants from Wano from before Kaido's takeover.

Furthermore, ever since Enies Lobby, Oda has made it quite clear that Zoro is not on the same level as Luffy. Zoro's opponents have never been of a caliber similar to Luffy since Whiskey Peaks, basically, where that opponent was Luffy, in fact.

Yes, his attack, his BEST attack, the one he used to finish his strongest opponent pre TS (Kaku) hurt Kaido. But it wasn't even on the caliber of Oden's, who would have been able to finish a younger -and thus weaker - Kaido back then, without the old hag interfering.

Yes, he blocked for a few seconds the combined attack of two Yonko, which is an extremely high level feat.

But storywise, we are not following Zoro's adventures. We are watching Luffy's. He's the one who has to prove that he has what is needed to become the Pirate King and basically change the world. It's always been Luffy's journey. He has gathered an incredible crew over the years, and each and every one of the SH Pirates, unleashed in any of the outer Blues (and perhaps even Paradise) would be an absolute monster.

But they aren't the focus of One Piece, they have never been, and never will be. Therefore, it wouldn't make sense for Oda to have Luffy being the one training like a madman, unlocking incredible power-up mid-fight and always refusing to give up, even when faced by Kaido's immusearable strength, to actually be robbed of a victory because somehow Zoro would suddenly be able to one-shot Kaido.

We aren't talking about fodders here. We aren't talking about an East Blue Captain even. At the level the SH are now, especially the Monster Trio, they aren't facing opponents they can just one shot. Each and every fight is gruelling because at best they are slightly stronger than their opponents. And sometimes they seem to be hopeless, like Nami and Usopp vs Page One and Ulti !

Sending all of it away just to have Zoro kill Kaido, a Kaido who would then need to be displayed has having defeated Luffy once more, and for good, and still be in a good enough condition that Zoro killing him like Ryuma killed that dragon would be an horrible story. It'd rob Luffy of any progression or interest since all his efforts would have been in vain, it'll lead to an infinite amount of plot holes (if Zoro could kill Kaido from the get go, why didn't he just rampage all over Wano? Etc.).

Also, keep in mind that Oda already went out of his way to show us that even the WSS don't get to try to take one the strongest Emperor alive in Marineford. Mihawk, who is probably still stronger than Zoro currently is, never ever got a chance to even scratch Whitebeard.

In One Piece, an ironclad rule (as far as I remember of course) is that a "Captain" is always defeated by a "Captain" (Baggy, Crow, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Foxy, Lucci, Moriah, Hody, Caesar) or an alliance of captains (Doflamingo). Even Newgate was killed by Teach, with his crew's help, but he was already a dead man walking by that point.

I know my point is muddied because English isn't my first language and translating my thought in it is kind of difficult sometimes, but I hope it comes accross well enough.
Problem with these zoro 'fans' is, they don't give a shit about story or the main character. They delude themselves with Zoro as main character and come up with all these ridiculous expectations.

Sad thing is, King is best fight for Zoro since time skip. They are so fixated on ZKK that they gonna miss actual Zoro feat.
 
#86
Problem with these zoro 'fans' is, they don't give a shit about story or the main character. They delude themselves with Zoro as main character and come up with all these ridiculous expectations.

Sad thing is, King is best fight for Zoro since time skip. They are so fixated on ZKK that they gonna miss actual Zoro feat.
To be fair, mangas, especially one like One Piece, makes it hard to realize how strong the crew has grown in strength because they never meet one of their previous foe to fight him again. I mean, could you imagine Arlong being hard to defeat for Nami or Usopp today ? I don't, but with who they are facing right now, they seem weak still.

And for characters like Zoro especially, who for a long time was basically considered in-story an equal of Luffy, it's natural that seeing him fight King may seems like a downgrade. While in truth, it means he's an sbolute monster. How many characters can actually go toe to toe with a YC 1 in OP ?
 
#87
To be fair, mangas, especially one like One Piece, makes it hard to realize how strong the crew has grown in strength because they never meet one of their previous foe to fight him again. I mean, could you imagine Arlong being hard to defeat for Nami or Usopp today ? I don't, but with who they are facing right now, they seem weak still.

And for characters like Zoro especially, who for a long time was basically considered in-story an equal of Luffy, it's natural that seeing him fight King may seems like a downgrade. While in truth, it means he's an sbolute monster. How many characters can actually go toe to toe with a YC 1 in OP ?
Zoro was never equal equal to Luffy. Unlike Naruto where Naruto and Sasuke has equal focus, One piece only highlighted Luffy. Every arc, Luffy fights the strongest and Zoro fights second strongest.

I don't see how these fans miss all of the detail and fanboi over small segmant.
 
#91
The problem has never being zkk but the fact that this shit became a fuckjng cult aka religion of some sort . Right now am praying oda let's zkk happens even if zoro would cut an already defeated kaidos head off. Else the suicide rate would be abnormal .
 
#92
The problem has never being zkk but the fact that this shit became a fuckjng cult aka religion of some sort . Right now am praying oda let's zkk happens even if zoro would cut an already defeated kaidos head off. Else the suicide rate would be abnormal .
Thats the whole problem with ZKK. If it was a normal theory, with specific people supporting it, that wouldn't bother anyone. But the hardest wanker trying so hard to state it as an actual truth, before even happening, is the annoying stuff.

But atleast they will learn their lesson for the rest of One Piece by flying to near to the sun.
 
#95
Still less embarrassing then getting 40 bones broken, ending up being wrapped like a mummy, carried around by Sanji, and needing an actual senzu bean just to be able to fight again.
:suresure:
Zoro being arrogant : I came to cut kaido into pieces
Reality:
  • Zoro complains that the yonko are too strong together ,their attacks aren't working.
  • zoro cries that he can't knock kaido down despite ashura
  • Zoro has broken bones and got KOed by TB
  • Zoro as mummy
  • Zoro needs an actual magical injection to be healed
  • Zoro thinking about underhanded moves to beat King

The man who can kill Kaido indeed
 

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#96
:suresure:
Zoro being arrogant : I came to cut kaido into pieces
Reality:
  • Zoro complains that the yonko are too strong together ,their attacks aren't working.
  • zoro cries that he can't knock kaido down despite ashura
  • Zoro has broken bones and got KOed by TB
  • Zoro as mummy
  • Zoro needs an actual magical injection to be healed
  • Zoro thinking about underhanded moves to beat King

The man who can kill Kaido indeed
What about kidd
Came to kill kaido
Did nothing
Ran to big mom
 
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