Controversial "Imu using a sword to kill Luffy isn't Hawk Eye upscale"

[Owl Ki]

Well yes, Imu switching his weapons to everything and anything obviously means it isn’t a sword duel standard, but as far as just Imu using a sword and abiding by the duel, he can’t be stronger than Mihawk

So since Imu never uses just a sword by itself, he isn't a swordsman by your logic, him holding a sword occasionally is functionally irrelevant power level wise and thus it isn't Mihawk upscale then, is it?

So the people you were mocking in the opening post are the correct ones by your logic?

 

[StocksInMihawk]

So since Imu never uses just a sword by itself, he isn't a swordsman by your logic, him holding a sword occasionally is functionally irrelevant power level wise and thus it isn't Mihawk upscale then, is it?

So the people you were mocking are the correct ones by your logic?

I like how you think you’re summarising what I’m saying but just making strawmen with every response

 

[StocksInMihawk]

Imu is just not a swordsman in Oda’s eyes for Zoro’s dream to work, very simple. Imu would neg-diff a dozen Mohawks bare minimum.

Imu can’t even neg diff the Shanks victim, lol

 

[Owl Ki]

I like how you think you’re summarising what I’m saying but just making strawmen with every response

I like how you sunk your own thread with your convoluted self defeating arguments. Lol.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Imu is just not a swordsman in Oda’s eyes for Zoro’s dream to work

This is a fair point. Imu is Luffy's opponent and it's possible that Zoro will never even see him again for various reasons.

But as far as Imu's low diffs go, weren't you also saying that Loki went in heavily nerfed?

 

[StocksInMihawk]

Shit given how Imu is using his whole toolkit to beat a nerfed Shanks victim and Soyboy, he undoubtedly cannot beat Shanks in a sword duel either let alone Mihawk

 

[park_min young]

Imu can’t even neg diff the Shanks victim, lol

Never happened until we get the flashback.

This is a fair point. Imu is Luffy's opponent and it's possible that Zoro will never even see him again for various reasons.

But as far as Imu's low diffs go, weren't you also saying that Loki went in heavily nerfed?

Yes, because Oda spent the entire first half of Elbaf elevating Loki and Nidhogg. His performance is within expectations, even while nerfed and no hybrid, he should be around his dad’s level. I view Loki as way stronger than high top-tiers like Kaido, and I was proven right. Imu destroyed a full HP g5, whereas Kaido lost to 10% HP g5.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

Never happened until we get the flashback.

Lol, you guys are still in denial

It was stated to have happened by Gaban and some giants, so I won't assume otherwise until it is shown otherwise in the flashback

 

[Fn Lucci]

Never happened until we get the flashback.
Yes, because Oda spent the entire first half of Elbaf elevating Loki and Nidhogg. His performance is within expectations, even while nerfed and no hybrid, he should be around his dad’s level. I view Loki as way stronger than high top-tiers like Kaido, and I was proven right. Imu destroyed a full HP g5, whereas Kaido lost to 10% HP g5.

So Luffy's new nickname is world's strongest creature?

 

[Owl Ki]

Imu is just not a swordsman in Oda’s eyes for Zoro’s dream to work, very simple. Imu would neg-diff a dozen Mohawks bare minimum.

See, this would be the easiest damn take on the planet. Imu isn't a swordsman, nothing he does reflects on Mihawk whatsoever.

But apparently this take is worthy of being mocked in the opinion of a bloke that wants to have his cake and eat it.

Naw mate, Imu is a sword holder but not a swordsman so he somehow upscales Mihawk without invalidating the only hype he really has (WSS) and Mihawk would beat Imu in an arbitrary scenario that would never happen where you strip Imu of most of his arsenal including his predominantly not-a-sword sword that makes him a not a swordsman sword holder.

Clearly the more logical take.

 

[park_min young]

Lol, you guys are still in denial

It was stated to have happened by Gaban and some giants, so I won't assume otherwise until it is shown otherwise in the flashback

I’ve already made this argument. Don’t take everything we’re initially told about Loki at face value. That’s where the trickster aspect of his character comes into play, as it is meant to mislead the audience. Oda uses that “trickster” inspiration to ultimately paint Loki in a positive light, which is the complete opposite of how Loki is portrayed in Norse mythology.

Correct. Loki said, “No man willingly chooses to be chained.” That line is a misdirection. If anything, it strongly suggests that Loki had some agency in ending up imprisoned, whether through an agreement or because Shanks blackmailed him by threatening to expose the truth about Harald.

Nearly every major claim we’ve been told about Loki has turned out to have a twist. We were told he “killed his father in cold blood.” We were told he would “destroy the world” if unchained, when it now seems more likely that he is a huge factor in bringing down the World Government and Imu instead. Surprise, surprise, Xebec also called Imu as “The World”. He called himself the “Sun God,” but he turned out to be someone closely associated with the Sun God, more like the Warrior God.

I don’t expect you to grasp such simple story direction and set up. I’ll just wait for you to take another L, because the Loki fandom has been right on the money all arc long.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

See, this would be the easiest damn take on the planet. Imu isn't a swordsman, nothing he does reflects on Mihawk whatsoever.

But apparently this take is worthy of being mocked in the opinion of a bloke that wants to have his cake and eat it.

Naw mate, Imu is a sword holder but not a swordsman so he somehow upscales Mihawk without invalidating the only hype he really has (WSS) and Mihawk would beat Imu in an arbitrary scenario that would never happen where you strip Imu of most of his arsenal including his predominantly not-a-sword sword that makes him a not a swordsman sword holder.

Clearly the more logical take.

I mean even if I agreed with this, that Imu isn't a swordsman, I still wouldn't agree that Imu could beat Mihawk with a sword without most of his arsenal (which he's spamming against someone who lost to Mihawk's fated rival) so one doesn't really preclude the other

 

[kekaro]

We really looped around the sword retards making saint shanks argument that moves not made with the sword dont count. The same thing they ridiculed law fans for too

They are unironically arguing the "If imu would turn all of his abilities and engage in a honest sword duel mihawk would win tho!!"

Fuarking hell Elbaf blasted them more in the ass than the end of wano, didnt think it was possible after that humulation

Horseshoe theory is real

 

[StocksInMihawk]

I’ve already made this argument. Don’t take everything we’re initially told about Loki at face value. That’s where the trickster aspect of his character comes into play, as it is meant to mislead the audience. Oda uses that “trickster” inspiration to ultimately paint Loki in a positive light, which is the complete opposite of how Loki is portrayed in Norse mythology.

Loki would never agree to be chained up for years on end, he was literally trying to get unchained with every trick in the book, so we can immediately rule out the possibility that he agreed to be chained up by Shanks for whatever reason

If anything Loki's words actually support the idea that Shanks somehow defeated him and put him in chains, it isn't even the statement about being unwillingly chained, he also says he's incredibly angry at Shanks and wants to get back at him to Shamrock

He has no reason to be lying there, nor does Gaban have any reason to be lying about Shanks subduing Loki

If it were a lie, the best time to reveal it would be around the same time Gaban admitted he lied about not knowing what happened in the castle

So to be frank, this is just cope

Until further notice, Shanks defeated Loki. If it was a lie then let it be revealed, but nothing indicates it is

 

[Rootbeer]

Just a better version of Enma.

A better version of Yoru..

 

[StocksInMihawk]

We really looped around the sword retards making saint shanks argument that moves not made with the sword dont count. The same thing they ridiculed law fans for too

They are unironically arguing the "If imu would turn all of his abilities and engage in a honest sword duel mihawk would win tho!!"

Fuarking hell Elbaf blasted them more in the ass than the end of wano, didnt think it was possible after that humulation

Horseshoe theory is real

I like how you have zero counterargument, keep it up

Also, Elbaf has been great for us

That Xebec swordsmanship statement alone killed tons of nonsense in the community

 

[kekaro]

See, this would be the easiest damn take on the planet. Imu isn't a swordsman, nothing he does reflects on Mihawk whatsoever.

But apparently this take is worthy of being mocked in the opinion of a bloke that wants to have his cake and eat it.

Naw mate, Imu is a sword holder but not a swordsman so he somehow upscales Mihawk without invalidating the only hype he really has (WSS) and Mihawk would beat Imu in an arbitrary scenario that would never happen where you strip Imu of most of his arsenal including his predominantly not-a-sword sword that makes him a not a swordsman sword holder.

Clearly the more logical take.

Because it exposes their roach-like logic that they tried to impose on people.

For example claim(ed) people like Shamrock is a swordsmen despite his "sword" acting like an autonomous FFX summon, like imus omen shit almost verbatum.

So arguing imu is a sword holder that is not a swordsman is like peak roach out

 

[kekaro]

Imu is just not a swordsman in Oda’s eyes for Zoro’s dream to work, very simple. Imu would neg-diff a dozen Mohawks bare minimum.

Truly the best written character of all time again strikes

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/has-zoro-kept-his-promise-to-never-lose-again.81157/

"Oda would never clown my idolo by letting him make a public declaration crying and shitting himself that the 99% the fanbase agrees he already failed multiple times
Same character they say oda would never make his dream shit, the sbsed one

 

[Fn Lucci]

I’ve already made this argument. Don’t take everything we’re initially told about Loki at face value. That’s where the trickster aspect of his character comes into play, as it is meant to mislead the audience. Oda uses that “trickster” inspiration to ultimately paint Loki in a positive light, which is the complete opposite of how Loki is portrayed in Norse mythology.

Sounds like he went trickster on his fan base. There's a plausible deniability to him outright being beaten by Shanks but in the end it makes absolutely no difference. He didn't agree to be chained up and it wouldn't have been up to Shanks if Loki was strong enough.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

Shamrock is obviously a swordsman, lol

Anyone who says otherwise might be illiterate, the guy fights with a sword and when he doesn't want to fight with his own hands he summons his pokemon Cerberus