General & Others IMU vs THE ENTIRE WORLD GOVERNMENT

ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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Oda has a power ranking pattern for EVERY MAJOR VILLAIN GROUP in the series.

Arlong can beat his whole crew alone. Crocodile can beat all of Baroque works alone. Enel can beat all of the priests. Lucci can beat all of CP-9. Moriah can beat all his crew. Doffy can beat all his crew. Big mom can beat all her crew. Kaido can beat all his crew.

This is the pattern from the start of the series to now. And the reason Oda does this is because he wants to make sure to tell the audience that Luffy winning matters more than EVERYONE ELSE winning.

As in the alliance beating the entire Beast pirates in Wano is cool, but if Luffy lost, that’s the end. Luffy losing to Kaido means that everything else the alliance did is a waste of time. Because Kaido is single-handedly more of a threat than his whole crew.

This is the pattern of the entire series and now we have arrived at the final boss. And the pattern will NOT change.

Imu will be stronger than THE ENTIRE WORLD GOVERNMENT COMBINED.

I mean the WHOLE Government. The Gorosei. The Holy knight. CP-0. The Fleet Admiral. Kong. Garp. Sengoku. The Admirals. The VAs. All of them, together, will all be weaker than Imu.

This isn’t even technically power creep since it’s just the same pattern as from the start of the series.

Again, the reason is the same. It’s so that Luffy can single-handedly outshine all his allies and crew. Luffy is the savior. What he does MUST outscale what everyone else does, COMBINED.
 
NAMELESS

NAMELESS

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ImmaIvanoM said:
Oda has a power ranking pattern for EVERY MAJOR VILLAIN GROUP in the series.

Arlong can beat his whole crew alone. Crocodile can beat all of Baroque works alone. Enel can beat all of the priests. Lucci can beat all of CP-9. Moriah can beat all his crew. Doffy can beat all his crew. Big mom can beat all her crew. Kaido can beat all his crew.

This is the pattern from the start of the series to now. And the reason Oda does this is because he wants to make sure to tell the audience that Luffy winning matters more than EVERYONE ELSE winning.

As in the alliance beating the entire Beast pirates in Wano is cool, but if Luffy lost, that’s the end. Luffy losing to Kaido means that everything else the alliance did is a waste of time. Because Kaido is single-handedly more of a threat than his whole crew.

This is the pattern of the entire series and now we have arrived at the final boss. And the pattern will NOT change.

Imu will be stronger than THE ENTIRE WORLD GOVERNMENT COMBINED.

I mean the WHOLE Government. The Gorosei. The Holy knight. CP-0. The Fleet Admiral. Kong. Garp. Sengoku. The Admirals. The VAs. All of them, together, will all be weaker than Imu.

This isn’t even technically power creep since it’s just the same pattern as from the start of the series.

Again, the reason is the same. It’s so that Luffy can single-handedly outshine all his allies and crew. Luffy is the savior. What he does MUST outscale what everyone else does, COMBINED.
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Plot Twist: Imu is just another Spandam tier character.:gokulaugh:
 
Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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Yes

Imu was Joyboy’s rival. Joyboy’s haki negated the gorosei’s DFs. If immortality comes from the ope ope no mi, the Imu’s haki can probably negate that as well seeing as JB’s haki even negated Saturn’s teleportation.

the VAs and below are already shown to be fodder to JB tier haki.

Then all you’re left with is the admirals and holy knights. The holy knights are outright below the gorosei so we can assume they’d get negged as well.

As for the admirals? Realistically these guys are enemies for Kid, Law, and other side characters. DF merchants who’d get negged when Imu’s haki turns their powers off.
 
Psychiatrist

Psychiatrist

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ImmaIvanoM said:
Oda has a power ranking pattern for EVERY MAJOR VILLAIN GROUP in the series.

Arlong can beat his whole crew alone. Crocodile can beat all of Baroque works alone. Enel can beat all of the priests. Lucci can beat all of CP-9. Moriah can beat all his crew. Doffy can beat all his crew. Big mom can beat all her crew. Kaido can beat all his crew.

This is the pattern from the start of the series to now. And the reason Oda does this is because he wants to make sure to tell the audience that Luffy winning matters more than EVERYONE ELSE winning.

As in the alliance beating the entire Beast pirates in Wano is cool, but if Luffy lost, that’s the end. Luffy losing to Kaido means that everything else the alliance did is a waste of time. Because Kaido is single-handedly more of a threat than his whole crew.

This is the pattern of the entire series and now we have arrived at the final boss. And the pattern will NOT change.

Imu will be stronger than THE ENTIRE WORLD GOVERNMENT COMBINED.

I mean the WHOLE Government. The Gorosei. The Holy knight. CP-0. The Fleet Admiral. Kong. Garp. Sengoku. The Admirals. The VAs. All of them, together, will all be weaker than Imu.

This isn’t even technically power creep since it’s just the same pattern as from the start of the series.

Again, the reason is the same. It’s so that Luffy can single-handedly outshine all his allies and crew. Luffy is the savior. What he does MUST outscale what everyone else does, COMBINED.
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You are right but according to nik87 in all crews number 2 > number 1. So who is the number 2 of world government?
 
Salah WG

Salah WG

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TheKnightOfTheSea said:
Who is? Garling?
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Imo Mary Geoise is New Enies Lobby
It's known as Land of Celestial Dragons just like Enies Lobby was Land of Judges (Judicial Island)
But Secretly it's HQ of Holy Knights, just like Enies Lobby was Secretly HQ of CP-9

So Garling is New Spandam (Doesn't mean He is Weak, but He will Play similar Role)
While Main Villain & Luffy's Opponent gonna be Holy Knights Version of Lucci, their Crown Jewel
The Guy who looks like Shanks & possibly Man With Burn Scar (If Shiryu's Theory is Correct)
 
Kiiro

Kiiro

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That makes sense, yet Luffy doesn't need to increase his power level that much right now.

As we know, Yonko > Admirals.

Luffy can defeat Admirals without being pushed, so IMU being able to do the same doesnt mean he will need to be above Yonko.

Being at Yonko Level, IMU can already solo all the WG hahahaha, maybe not together, but in a 1 vs 1 against all, yes.

After all, WG has like 7 characters at Admiral level which is a lot.
 
TheKnightOfTheSea

TheKnightOfTheSea

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Salah WG said:
Imo Mary Geoise is New Enies Lobby
It's known as Land of Celestial Dragons just like Enies Lobby was Land of Judges (Judicial Island)
But Secretly it's HQ of Holy Knights, just like Enies Lobby was Secretly HQ of CP-9

So Garling is New Spandam (Doesn't mean He is Weak, but He will Play similar Role)
While Main Villain & Luffy's Opponent gonna be Holy Knights Version of Lucci, their Crown Jewel
The Guy who looks like Shanks & possibly Man With Burn Scar (If Shiryu's Theory is Correct)
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Why do you separate the Holy Knights and the Celestial Dragons? I share the community consensus that the Holy Knights are just strong celestial dragons with authority over the regular ones, but below Gorosei in all categories.

Who do you think fights and beats Garling?
 
Salah WG

Salah WG

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TheKnightOfTheSea said:
Why do you separate the Holy Knights and the Celestial Dragons? I share the community consensus that the Holy Knights are just strong celestial dragons with authority over the regular ones, but below Gorosei in all categories.

Who do you think fights and beats Garling?
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Because Gorosei Rank is Public Knowledge
Garling Executing a Celestial Dragon was kept a Secret from Public

WG was Created by 20 Different Kingdoms, meaning 20 Cultures
Yet in Mary Geoise, They all agreed to share Same Culture that involves Knights? (Their Fodders wear Knight Armor)

Gorosei themselves said that Akainu is just Public Face of WG, meaning the ones who are forced to Interact with People are often Inferior than those who Rule from the Shadows, if We apply that Logic, then when it comes to Mary Geoise, it's Gorosei who have to deal with Royalty & Levely & Marines, while Garling deals with CDs themselves

Egghead Arc showed us WG going from Unleashing Seraphim to CP-0 to an Admiral to Buster Call to Gorosei, but Holy Knights were Skipped, it wouldn't make sense if Gorosei have Authority to summon Holy Knights, it's like SHs facing Numbers, then Headliners, then Flying Six & then Kaidou, while Calamities do not Participate in Raid at all & just Chill in their Base, it's Contradictory

Mary Geoise shows Statues of Knights, if They existed before Founding Kings went up there then it means Mary Geoise was Land of Knights "Before" WG Existed, and if They were Created after, then why would Founding Kings make Statues of People other than Themselves?
Those 20 Kings are from Different Cultures & They all had Swords as shown in Empty Throne, so this suggests that Mary Geoise is Land of Knights indeed with or without CDs

Holy Knights being CDs isn't a Counter-Argument, cuz Holy Knights can simply become CDs through Marriage.
Think of WG as a Company owned by CDs while Mary Geoise is Home of Holy Knights who allowed these CDs to run their Company from there. (Oda clearly made this separation between the Land itself & WG when Nefertari were revealed to have refused living there, even though They didn't refuse creating WG nor being part of it & participating in Levely ... etc so their only Problem was with Mary Geoise & Doffy did indeed Hint that something is Hidden there that can make him above CDs)

Also Holy Knights are called God's Knights, yet Garling was Introduced executing a CD? They also didn't accompany Saturn to Protect him, and CP-0 are the ones given Task of Protecting CDs at all Costs, while Admirals are the ones who get Summoned when things get ugly, so God's Knights Name is clearly not reference to CDs

Doffy's Flashback also made it clear that CDs are not given Second Chances, but Shanks despite living his entire Life as a Pirate & is considered much bigger Threat than Doffy is allowed to meet Gorosei & Enter/Exit Mary Geoise without being Attacked? This clearly shows that having Holy Knights Blood is bigger deal than having CDs Blood

At End of Dressrosa, Akainu did suggest the Idea that Gorosei are receiving Orders from those Higher than them
Viz Translation Akainu said: "So you're telling me the whole mess about Doffy was on Orders from Higher than you All?".
Ofc there is Imu, but We know for a Fact that Akainu knows about Holy Knights, however nothing suggests that anyone besides Gorosei know about Imu, until proven otherwise

Dragon also said that Holy Knights will make a move now that Sabo Attacked Mary Geoise, yet They don't Act when it's about stuff happening outside of Holy Land, even Egghead Incident didn't force them to appear, so this clearly shows that Mary Geoise is their HQ, They don't care about outside World or WG, Gorosei are the ones to worry about that. Dragon even added that Real War only starts when Holy Knights join it, not Gorosei who were just used this Arc for Two Volumes, all of them together

And as i said, We already had Fishmen-Island War, Dressrosa War & Onigashima War which are Mega Versions of Arlong Park, Arabasta & Upper Yard Wars, now it's time for Post-TS Version of Enies Lobby War, and it's clear to me that Holy Knights are the New CP-9 (And similarly, Spandam/Garling stayed in their HQ, while Shadow Man/Lucci were on a Secret Mission for Years)

Sorry for long post, but i wanted to mention many Arguments on why Holy Knights are bigger deal than People give them credit.
Even at End of Vega's Speech, Oda made that Shanks-Looking Guy as Bigger Mystery than everyone else included, think of it from Writer Perspective, you just created a Double Spread showing Yonko, Major Characters from Egghead Sub-Plots & other Faction Leaders (Including Imu), yet who is gonna be the hottest topic among Readers? It's gonna be the Mystery Guy you added, so Oda is literally making that Guy seem like bigger deal than everyone else (For now)

It's also teased that Land of Gods was Destroyed before Mary Geoise came to be which in turn existed before WG, so Oda is telling us that Lunarians & other Races were Hunted/Defeated by Founders of Mary Geoise, not Founders of WG

If Holy Knights weren't Major Characters & owners of Mary Geoise Land, then Oda just wanted a Powerful Squad to Fight in End War, He could have simply made CP-0 wear like Knights & made them much more Powerful. As for who Defeats Garling, i still don't have a Guess for now, didn't think much about it yet
 
kekaro

kekaro

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100%
Like you said its established a pattern narratively that the leader of the big main organization can solo the rest of his underlings
Altho I would say we always get separate panel shots of marines and WG, including this arc, so I would probably not include the marines until further notice

There is also the possibility there is tier of opponent we didn't see yet beside HKs and Gorosei
 
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